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Denuo Secus 183	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:27:00 - [451] - Quote I prefer the old models. All former tier1 BC hulls are some of the best looking hulls in my opinion. It's sad to see the Absolution not looking like the Absolution - my first command ship I was able to fly Why don't you keep the T2 hulls for Harb, Drake, Myrm and Cane not for some other, future T2 BCs? --- Btw...since this thread is about command ships and textures...is there any chance the Damnation texture will be fixed? All other Khanid ships look very nice, deep black+silver. Only the Damnation is grey. Compare it to the Sacrilege - a huge difference. --- PS...this thread is still about command ships (Vulture) and textures ^^ ...another question: any plans to change the Ishukone textures (except Rhea)? The Rhea was the last Ishukone ship which was V3ed - and it got a different texture than all other Ishukone ships. A much (much) better one in my humble opinion. It is (1) not consistent and (2) feels wrong to see (literally) cool Caldari space ships in grey-gold.
Dead-eye Flint 2	Posted - 2013.10.08 21:37:00 - [452] - Quote This whole change is one big reason to throw up. As stated in the previous discussion topic, the change is completely and utterly pointless on top of alienating pilots who like the look of the ships they currently fly. On a more personal note, after holding on to my Nighthawk for a very long time, always hoping that it might just become competitive or at least useful at some point ,despite receiving nerf after nerf, it is finally time to get rid of it. Having to look at that awful Drake model (I don't care that someone emptied a paint cannister over it, it still looks dreadful) instead of the great Ferox/former Nighthawk design, on top of flying a completely inferior ship is, well, entirely pointless. WTS 1 Nighthawk.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance 162	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:32:00 - [453] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls. There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class. And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while. Excellent, don't change the nighthawk! Go put a full complement of hmlt2 on it and tell me it doesn't look better then the bent pop tart that is a drake?
Hanna Cyrus Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space 27	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:36:00 - [454] - Quote Don't change it! Make a election, but don't do it, because a few guys cries only loud enough...
Thyralon G'zer Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 0	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:39:00 - [455] - Quote Oh noo ... why do you do this to the good old Sleipnir? Crappy hurricane hull?? Why? I loved the Sleipnir being a huge Thrasher - it behaved like that too! Admittedly I havent flown my Sleipnir since you last "changed" it... now got yet another reason not to do so. Oh boy ... sigh
Alexhandr Shkarov The Pleiadians 0	Posted - 2013.10.08 22:59:00 - [456] - Quote I still don't like it that you're switching the Sleipnir hull to a Hurricane. It takes away an iconic Winmatar ship's design.
Aesheera Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional 418	Posted - 2013.10.08 23:48:00 - [457] - Quote Rees Noturana wrote: They look amazing to me. T2 Myrm and Hurricane? Yes, please. This, yes. But not as a replacement for the Sleip and Eos. Primary since '07. GÖÑ If It Bleeds, Kill It - II
Sol Mortis An Heroes 17	Posted - 2013.10.09 00:26:00 - [458] - Quote You should trust your gut about the Sleipnir! Keep it a Cyclone Hull! The Sleipnir has a lot of history, and for many years it was basically The Only cyclone hull you ever actually saw in space. I hope you will give more thought to making the Claymore a Hurricane hull instead. Also the navy hurricane looks too much like the SleipCane with the camo paintjobs. A Hurricane with a shiny Core Complexion paint job would look cool and be unique and keep noobs from being really confused when they watch old alliance tournaments.
Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis 829	Posted - 2013.10.09 00:45:00 - [459] - Quote Ignore haters, these changes are great. Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Iam Widdershins Project Nemesis 830	Posted - 2013.10.09 01:34:00 - [460] - Quote Sol Mortis wrote: You should trust your gut about the Sleipnir! Keep it a Cyclone Hull! No. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
Senn Denroth Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 102	Posted - 2013.10.09 01:58:00 - [461] - Quote If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls. Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 771	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:04:00 - [462] - Quote Senn Denroth wrote: If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls. Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc. The slot counts and fittings don't match as is. Furthermore the weapons are definitively out of sync since both the combat BC and command ship changes, but that is at least being corrected. Also if I can fly an abso again without feeling like I'm flying a fat chicken I'll be happy.
Aian Genkotsu Reaper Fleet 0	Posted - 2013.10.09 02:55:00 - [463] - Quote This has probably been mentioned in the 20 pages of this post I didn't get through, if so I'll throw my vote behind it. Aside from whether the base models should be changed, I'd really like to see some kind of unique change to the model to distinguish command ships. I started playing again a few months ago after a 2 year break and the best surprise was the sick new look of my Manticore. Unfortunately I'm not creative enough to think of a good way to distinguish the command ship hulls.
The Slayer GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 72	Posted - 2013.10.09 03:45:00 - [464] - Quote New Eos does not have wibbly chin, new Eos is fail. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o2X5SGF4j4
Doctor'X Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2013.10.09 03:52:00 - [465] - Quote New CCP employees trying to make their mark. This really is a weak change. Looking at the "new" Sleipnir on Sisi now. Boundless Creation paint job is just MEH... didnt look good on the Cyclone hull, looks worse on a hurricane. Flex your imagination muscles, THEN make a change. R.I.P. ICONIC Sleipnir P.S. That ship would look great in a desert somewhere. You'd hardly see it at all.
NFain Fain Industries 23	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:29:00 - [466] - Quote Just seeing this thread still is making me want to throw up. I still don't understand the reasoning behind changing the single most ICONIC ships in eve, not only for what they can do but also for their looks. Please keep them the way they are until they get an official re-skin, if you want combat commands into assault battle cruiser hulls.. make another t2 battle cruiser to fill that roll. The command ships are beautiful and have been FITTED and MOLDED into the hulls they have now. They don't belong in tier 2 hulls.
Cassius Invictus Thou shalt not kill 44	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:41:00 - [467] - Quote Ok guys we will not agree on this topic as this depends purely on personal taste. But when I skill like 3-4 months to fly an Absolution and then I clearly like the ship for what it is. This change is like a slap in the face from CCP that sais: you spent few months skilling for a ship you like? Ok so now we will change it to something you don't like. It's not even that Harbi hull is that bad (who does not like a big, red, space dildo) it's just it is not what I skilled for... Bringing new models, like with bombers and apoc, would be the best solution, but they would have to be designed by guys who made SoE ships and not the guy who made Golem...
Aesheera Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional 419	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:42:00 - [468] - Quote Iam Widdershins wrote: Ignore haters, these changes are great. Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. This isnt hate. I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls. Just dont slap them on Commandships. Primary since '07. GÖÑ If It Bleeds, Kill It - II
Logicycle Terra Incognita Insidious Empire 82	Posted - 2013.10.09 05:50:00 - [469] - Quote These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance. I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much. MOAR SHIPS !!!
NFain Fain Industries 23	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:08:00 - [470] - Quote Logicycle wrote: These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance. I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much. MOAR SHIPS !!! Aesheera wrote: Iam Widdershins wrote: Ignore haters, these changes are great. Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. This isnt hate. I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls. Just dont slap them on Commandships. Yes please. <3
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 1090	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:21:00 - [471] - Quote Aside from the fact that I don't like the swap of models, why another camo color scheme for Minmatar ships? You understand that forest green camo (aside from being aesthetically questionable) is totally pointless for a starship in space, yes? It seems pretty unimaginative and really doesn't accentuate the Hurricane model, in my opinion. As a practical matter how are we supposed to quickly differentiate between a Fleet Hurricane and a Sleipnir? Quick visual ship identification can be important. Reading between the lines of the final sentence of Fozzie's opening post: CCP Fozzie wrote: ...However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback. I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.
Blueprint Seller The Blueprint Shop 98	Posted - 2013.10.09 06:33:00 - [472] - Quote I think that creating a 3rd command ship for each race using the new models would have been a better choice than swapping the models on the existing command ships. Is the cost of doing so prohibitive?
Rivr Luzade Coreli Corporation Ineluctable. 60	Posted - 2013.10.09 07:04:00 - [473] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: So, if these models really must be used... Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution? Harbinger Front Flaws Yes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders? And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for? waiting for confirmation on theses issues.
Freyja Asynjur Folkvangr 23	Posted - 2013.10.09 07:06:00 - [474] - Quote Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result? NOPE NOPE NOPE. Event the myrmified EOS looks bad. Do. Not. Want. https://twitter.com/folkvangrcorp GÇö Freyja's space log.
Cassius Invictus Thou shalt not kill 46	Posted - 2013.10.09 08:45:00 - [475] - Quote Freyja Asynjur wrote: Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result? NOPE NOPE NOPE. The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad. Do. Not. Want. I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it. I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it. I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it. Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun...
kazaric Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem 0	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:05:00 - [476] - Quote Drake Nighthawk? Come on! Don't do this! Ferox Hull is imo one of the most beautiful looking hull in eve, and because of the different weapon bonuses it allows hybrid and missile players alike to enjoy this sexy hull, changing it to drake is not cool!
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 532	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:31:00 - [477] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback. Because only those who dislike this change still give two damns about this thread. It's not like a lot of people were asking for this very change for a long, long time - until CSs will get their unique hulls, that's it.
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar Minmatar Expeditions ltd. 17	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:36:00 - [478] - Quote Cassius Invictus wrote: Freyja Asynjur wrote: Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result? NOPE NOPE NOPE. The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad. Do. Not. Want. I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it. I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it. I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it. Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun... While I do not agree with you about the new Sleip being nice I have to agree on everything else you said. If CCP would release new t2 BC's with those hulls I would be all for it. I would never fly it, but I'll support it big time for it adds more variety to the game. But changing class which is as skill intensive as Command Ships are just for whatever cosmetic reasons that is like stabbing us in the back. I did skill for Sleipnir and now all this is in waste, because I would not fly it with hurricane hull. I hate that hull and I never flew it. Even back then when t1 BC (well before the re-balance) was the best thing I can fly. I chose Cyclone over 'cane and did not mind it was inferior ... 'cause when I fly a ship I want to like what I'm looking at. Now even if I find another CS to fly from the pool, I would need to spend a lot of time again to train all the support skills that go with it... Such waste... It makes me incredibly sad. I actually do not want to log to the game atm... You took all the fun out of it... I guess I will overcome this eventually but it will never be the same. Also 7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount is bonus from Cyclone so there goes consistency... (my personal opinion is that most of the positive feedback is from ppl who finally get t2 variants of their favorite hull. Something that should be done with new ship class, not by ruining CS as they are now) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke
Hell Bitch Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2013.10.09 11:57:00 - [479] - Quote The changes feel kind of arbitrary. We have T1 drake, navy drake and soon Nighthawk drake We have T1 Hurricane, navy hurricane and soon sleipnir hurricane so on and so on.... Can we not have vulture use the drake hull, claymore use the hurricane hull. Both these hulls already have 2 variants using the same weapon system, and now we get another with go faster stripes. Why can't the drake use rails and be a Vulture, why can't the hurricane use launchers and become a Claymore. These changes just give us more of the same. I think a core complexion hurricane would look sick, way better than space desert camo. Might even be as cool as the original DX8 'cane. If this change is happening for purely cosmetic reasons then the above makes more sense, so we the end user have more options for the visual style of our ship, rather than if you want AC's you gotta be rolling in a hurricane variant.
Ozzymandias Duskwalker Shifting Sands Trader Cartel 2	Posted - 2013.10.09 12:15:00 - [480] - Quote David Kir wrote: Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote: Harbinger model as a command ship? Hell no! That idea is bad and you should feel bad! Could you at least argue the reasons because of which the Harbinger hull can not be that of a command ship? no. maybe.... It's ugly?

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