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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7613
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:04:00 -
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More posts!
One of the changes we were investigating for Odyssey 1.1 but had to drop due to time was adjustments to the models of half the command ships. The goal would be to move them over to hulls that match the T1 combat BC that shares their weapon type, creating some more variety, opening up options for the art guys in the future, and making the differences between the command ships more intuitive.
This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me.
The plan is: Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible.
This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion.
Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.
I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Krissada
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
174
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:05:00 -
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While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin. Why not wait and create an all new design? |
BadAssMcKill
Love Squad
391
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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Yeeeeeeeeeeee http://i.imgur.com/6j6cIZE.gif-á |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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Second |
Theophilas
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
16
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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I haven't read a single one of these new change posts, but my corp is all fired up about them!!!!!!!!!!! |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
185
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:06:00 -
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That myrm looks pretty steaky. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO Watch PIZZA Videos NYC Bi-Monthly Meetup |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
380
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:07:00 -
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T2 Myrm hull ohbaby Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes
Twitter - TG_3 |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
400
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:08:00 -
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im one of those that think all 4 are absolutely awful, names and hull changes. |
W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
27
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:08:00 -
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Please make the sleip prettier :( |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
4210
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:08:00 -
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my poor Sleip... :( CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
255
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:09:00 -
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They look amazing to me. T2 Myrm and Hurricane? Yes, please. -á |
tgl3
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
380
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:09:00 -
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I like my abso as it is, though, so sadface on that :( Member of the EVE Blog Pack - Through Newb Eyes
Twitter - TG_3 |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
567
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:09:00 -
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Taking away Khanid command ship without a new T2 BC to replace it?
no.
no.
NO.
Not accepted. |
Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
751
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:09:00 -
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YES, PLEASE. Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
376
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:09:00 -
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So bad. |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
530
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:10:00 -
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Quote from previous thread.
CCP Fozzie wrote:Threestep wrote:I like it. Would they still keep their corp/paint schemes? Yes, they'd have the same paintjob as before, just with different hulls. The art guys have also been slowly updating many T2 ships to have modified geometry compared to the T2 hulls, so either way someday the command ships will likely end up being a bit different, but that would likely come later.
Again I would make the point I did the last time. Why change them to the normal hulls with new paint schemes now to only change them again at a later date when art finally get the modified hull versions ready. This seems like doing work on something which will be redundant in a year or so.
I still think the Ferox hull is a much better looking command ship than the Drake. Lieutenant Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
35
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:10:00 -
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Aaaa my belowed Absolution...
If u do this please make the turret slots right for God's sake.
Why did u remove 1 turret from all commands if u wanted that change...? Harbi will look stupid with 5 turrets, so will drake. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
534
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:11:00 -
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OMG The sleipnir is Drifting!!!!!? MINMATAR OP!!!! |
Porucznik Borewicz
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:11:00 -
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Looks good. Get hyped! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1220
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:11:00 -
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Wohoo... |
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
650
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:12:00 -
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I like this stuff
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7611
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:12:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Taking away Khanid command ship without a new T2 BC to replace it?
no.
no.
NO.
Not accepted.
You know the Abso isn't Khanid right? This change does not affect the Damnation. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
567
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:12:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Taking away Khanid command ship without a new T2 BC to replace it?
no.
no.
NO.
Not accepted. You know the Abso isn't Khanid right? This change does not affect the Damnation.
You are right.
And I am a moron!
Apologies. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
406
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:13:00 -
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i really wouldn't change any hull at all. Let them stay as they are now on TQ. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3532
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:13:00 -
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T2 Myrm, so beautiful
they all look great, but my baby
it's so beautiful
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Literally Space Moses
One Man Incursion Corp.
32
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:14:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpgy21r_dRE |
Mortvvs
Snuff Box
36
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:14:00 -
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Not a fan of the Absolution change. Harbinger just looks bad (and has misplaced turrets). FREE FILINGO |
Syrias Bizniz
The Scope Gallente Federation
220
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:15:00 -
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Wow, i really wanted a Khanid Harbinger, but it looks ... damn sexy. All of them look nice. Except for the cane, that one looks pretty much like any other cane. |
Mizhir
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
36950
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:16:00 -
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Abso sort of remind me of Ironman.
But awesome changes. They all look great. We will never forget you Saede!
I bet you dont see things like this so often in EVE |
Captain Organs
Veldspar Industries Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:19:00 -
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Nooooooooooooo!!!! Fozzie you've murdered my laser chickens!
I like all the other model changes, but the Amarr one. So... I guess 3 of 4 isn't terrible. I'll just have to get used to it. However, I just recently bought a prophecy BPO and that makes me a little sad as it doesn't has a much use as it did a few moments ago. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
252
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:19:00 -
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+1 Totally cool! Somewhat related, what are the chances we might see the ability to change skins, colors or themes on these ships down the road? I really prefer the Kaalakiota color scheme over some of the others.
Seriously folks, how can you not like these? The EOS, Absolution and Nighthawk are totally wicked. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
714
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:19:00 -
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Can't wait wumbo |
Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
263
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 -
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The Sleipnir shouldn't have its hull swapped around. Can't you make an exception and turn the Claymore into that instead? You've done it for Gallente with the navy battlecruisers, before. |
Nairb Hig
Feathered Exploration
20
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:23:00 -
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I think It would be cool to have any newly manufactured ship have the new model, and the old ones keep the old model. I understand though how easy it is just to change the model.
The textures look great! Nit picking: The drake texture seems too dark to find any detail, The myrm model seems rather bland. Any chance of changing the color of the engine trails? red/purple engine trails for the nighthawk would be cool. |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
4
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:24:00 -
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Oh god I love you. I've always wanted a tech 2 or faction myrmidon. And now I get a tech 2 drake to go with it. |
Kirin Xaxos
Downloaded Bears Dominatus Atrum Mortis
13
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:27:00 -
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it seem that taking the standard BC look and throwing new colors and name on it is a bit of a cop out, i think you can do better |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5118
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:28:00 -
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This owns, thanks.
Are there any manufacturing changes besides just swapping the BPC you need to use to invent and the base ship needed? |
La'Krul
Havoc Violence and Chaos
48
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:28:00 -
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But what's the logic behind this?
The command ships already look sufficiently different to each other. You're actually removing ship models simply to re--use other models that are represented twice in the game already.
As much as I think the new models (or skins I should say) look great, I don't like the change unless there are strong reasons going forward (like multiple versions of the unchanged command ships). |
Solucia Itovuo
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:31:00 -
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Instant NerdBoner |
Helothane
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:32:00 -
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The change to the Sleipnir (probably my favorite ship) makes me sad. I can't say I am thrilled to see the waffle iron (drake model) used for another ship. |
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PavlikX
You are in da lock
80
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:33:00 -
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CCP Fozzie give me back my legions! leave absolution as it is. Other hulls are great. |
Eli Green
The Arrow Project
717
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:35:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:The Sleipnir shouldn't have its hull swapped around. Can't you make an exception and turn the Claymore into that instead? You've done it for Gallente with the navy battlecruisers, before.
Hurricane hull is a better looking gunship than the claymore hull will ever be
also t2 camo Imperial Star Destroyer wumbo |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
253
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:36:00 -
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Some of us like the waffle iron. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Initiative
3789
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:36:00 -
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:( Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
266
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:36:00 -
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*stuffing my sleip in the hangar*
EOS TIME! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
147
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:39:00 -
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Brought nighthawk due to ferox hull, am not impressed. Massive dislike! |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3533
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:42:00 -
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Krissada wrote:While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin. Why not wait and create an all new design?
Very good point, unique hulls > reskins
However in this case I forgive the Art Dpt, because of ::Myrmidon::
Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
417
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:47:00 -
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Yes! Please do!
Though to be honest, the CreoDrone skins on a whole are pretty non-descript compared to the normal ships. |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:53:00 -
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WTS Nighthawk |
Atomic Option
Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness
69
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:54:00 -
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I like it. Always makes more sense lore-wise when you aren't changing weapon type between t1 and t2 |
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Arec Bardwin
1125
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:55:00 -
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TECH 2 DRAKE! |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1449
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:More posts! One of the changes we were investigating for Odyssey 1.1 but had to drop due to time was adjustments to the models of half the command ships. The goal would be to move them over to hulls that match the T1 combat BC that shares their weapon type, creating some more variety, opening up options for the art guys in the future, and making the differences between the command ships more intuitive. This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me. The plan is: Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
The only one there thats even slightly acceptable is the Myrmidon because its vertical thus cool.
All the other ships are awful, why make this change if you're not going to make any real model changes?
The old absolution looks a thousand times better and more menacing.
The Nighthawk looks ******* awesome with the ferox hull, it just looks boring like that.
The Sleipnir.. Well that just looks like the fleet cane really...
If these were significantly remodeled i'd see why a change would make sense but.. Ugh.. you're basically downgrading all of these. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Minaro Shina
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:56:00 -
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I want to train Commandships so hard right now. LOVE IT
T2 Myrm is dream come true! Makes much more sense for a drone boat too, same goes for the vulture/drake. |
Bagehi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
221
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:01:00 -
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Sleipnir
http://imgur.com/a/NoFHa#hpYJ8fB
looks a lot like...
Hurricane Fleet Issue
http://i.imgur.com/SRKK9rSh.png
I mean, I'm not fond of the "space camo" to begin with, but at least the previous Sleipnir at least had dark grey camo. |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
1017
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:05:00 -
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But... Sleipnir... noooo.
The hurricane looks like it's shoved together, it just doesn't fit with what people expect from a command ship. |
Quinn Corvez
Probe Patrol Polarized.
81
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
The myrm and the cane look the same as t1... Please try harder |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
647
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:07:00 -
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Sad because the Eos Brutix model skin is bad ass, was always one of my favourite looking ships.
Will be strange to see Abso and Sleip as different hulls. |
Elektrea
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:10:00 -
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The community and in house ccp modelers come up with some great models, use those instead or don't change them please |
Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
613
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:13:00 -
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I'll say it again: the new hulls look AMAZING and it'll be wonderful to see some less-than-used hulls more often in the field! Step onto the battlefield, and you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day.
>> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! << |
Rynnik
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
116
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:16:00 -
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I new I would love the myrm model Eos - it was a given.
But oh holy heavens dat Abso. Was not expecting that level of awesome. Very very nice looking ship |
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Piren'e Colass
Vitriol Ventures WHY so Seri0Us
2
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:19:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRX6LXDpWs
NONONONONONONO
I really don't like the sleipnier change, and the nighthawk change. Abso change not so great, but the eos is slightly alright.
Don't kill the sleipnier, and the cyclones history as a gunboat. |
Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
98
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:26:00 -
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No, pleease, don't do this...
Actual command ships models are pretty nice, doesn't need to change. It's a waste of time and resources. |
Ellumielle
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:27:00 -
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Not happy with the Sleipnir change at all. Swap Claymore hull instead? Pretty please? |
Dongkey
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:27:00 -
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Model changes, fine.
But don't mess around with the names. Corp Prefix X is a terrible scheme because it's harder to target call on coms.
Keep all ship names to one single word, unless it's something easy and established like Fleet X. |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
8
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:28:00 -
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The new Eos looks nice, finally another use for the Myrmidon-hull. The other changes are also great: A T2-drake? Hell yeah! |
Daishan Auergni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:37:00 -
[66] - Quote
Yes! Differentiation makes for a richer game experience. +1000 |
ScionVI Zanogir
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:37:00 -
[67] - Quote
In that album of screenshots - What ship is in the top left of the second myrm pic? Looks something Galente but I can't be sure... |
Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:37:00 -
[68] - Quote
What ship is in the 2nd picture of the myrm? Was that an eater egg by CCP? |
Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
83
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:38:00 -
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ScionVI Zanogir wrote:In that album of screenshots - What ship is in the top left of the second myrm pic? Looks something Galente but I can't be sure...
Came here to post this...did we get an accidental leak? |
Periapsis Retrograde Burn
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:40:00 -
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This is an Ogre, a heavy drone of Gallentean design.
You can not fly it. |
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Daishan Auergni
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:40:00 -
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Altaen wrote:ScionVI Zanogir wrote:In that album of screenshots - What ship is in the top left of the second myrm pic? Looks something Galente but I can't be sure... Came here to post this...did we get an accidental leak?
Pretty sure that's an orbiting drone. An Ogre to be specific. |
Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate
12
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:41:00 -
[72] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon
I think I love you...
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Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
507
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:43:00 -
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Can we get some cooler looking solar panels on the sleipnir? Just make it look super distinct from a cane or a fleet cane. "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:44:00 -
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Dongkey wrote:Model changes, fine.
But don't mess around with the names. Corp Prefix X is a terrible scheme because it's harder to target call on coms.
Keep all ship names to one single word, unless it's something easy and established like Fleet X. The names aren't changing, he's just describing the colours and hull for each ship |
Fredric Wolf
Black Sheep Down Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:45:00 -
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Daishan Auergni wrote:Altaen wrote:ScionVI Zanogir wrote:In that album of screenshots - What ship is in the top left of the second myrm pic? Looks something Galente but I can't be sure... Came here to post this...did we get an accidental leak? Pretty sure that's an orbiting drone. An Ogre to be specific.
So it is. I guess my graphics are not turned up all the way to look as pretty as that.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1282
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:46:00 -
[76] - Quote
Drake looks.....badass Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
416
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Posted - 2013.10.02 18:48:00 -
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If you change my sleipnir model I am going to start shooting at that jita statue again. you already took my zebra stripes you bastards. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1598
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:00:00 -
[78] - Quote
God damn it. |
sXyphos
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sweeeeeet! , this will do until they change all t2 hull designs like the bombers |
Twisted Chick
11
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:00:00 -
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Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake....I LOVE YOU!! Title: She who hunts Pandas
I Heard there was Pandas around here? You have Pandas? Give me your Pandas. |
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Altaen
Calamitous-Intent
83
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:00:00 -
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Periapsis Retrograde Burn wrote:This is an Ogre, a heavy drone of Gallentean design.
You can not fly it.
Damn you tricky camera perspective, I got all excited. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
418
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:02:00 -
[82] - Quote
100 million to whoever can say "Kaalakiota", nine times, fast. |
Rockus
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
5
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
I took a look at those ships and thought 'yeah that's a hurricane or drake with a paint job'
Come on surely you can do better than that. They are COMMAND ships for crying out loud!
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Liam Inkuras
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
461
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:09:00 -
[84] - Quote
HOOOOLY ****!!!!!!!
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
82
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
Those changes could be great if there will be any model upgrades. Old models... I see no sence here |
Veyer Erastus
Red-dormice
19
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:17:00 -
[86] - Quote
Poor Sleip and Abso. So sad. |
Killin Machine
The Konvergent League Sev3rance
12
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:22:00 -
[87] - Quote
The Field Command ships looked amazing as they were. They look so much less appealing now.
R.I.P Sleip, Abso, and especially the Nighthawk. |
Westerly Winds
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:28:00 -
[88] - Quote
Literally un-subbing this account after this post. Why is the drake model EVEN IN THE GAME? I swear this art department... |
Peter Dostoevsky
League of Angered Gentlemen
28
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Dongkey wrote:Model changes, fine.
But don't mess around with the names. Corp Prefix X is a terrible scheme because it's harder to target call on coms.
Keep all ship names to one single word, unless it's something easy and established like Fleet X.
They aren't changing the names.
The Sleip is still the Sleip, it just has a Boundless color scheme on the hurricane hull. |
Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
282
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:31:00 -
[90] - Quote
Just as a general Minmatar point: Don't we have anything other than space camo? I mean it's fine if I need to set down on a planet and hide several kilometers of starship, but... let's get some creativity here.
The hull change is a good move, creates some distinction and parallelism. But seriously Matari spaceyards. Surely we can do better. Give me something like Australian Maori, some lines or whorls. Tattoos are an integral part of our heritage, and yet none of that is represented on our hulls. Especially as fleet command ships, these ships should be the standard bearers of our people. |
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Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2021
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:34:00 -
[91] - Quote
Disappointed. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1599
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:38:00 -
[92] - Quote
Eh. Calmed down, took a new look at the ships. Conclusions based on the actual pictures:
Sleipnir
Expected to hate it. It actually looks decent. Still the one I'm least happy about changing, but that's based on how wonderful the current model is instead of the new one being sub-par. I'll miss it but adapt. I guess I owe a few people apologies for the bounties they got when advocating the change.
Eos
It's fine. The current model is the least good of the lot and the Myrmidon hull has always been the best of the tier 2 group. No real objections.
Nighthawk
Ugh. It's a Drake with a red stripe. How... utterly uninspired.
Look, the Ferox hull is really interesting to look at. The Drake makes up for it by being dull as ****. Painting it black and then spilling a bit of red on it just looks awful.
Absolution
You know what the Amarr lineup needs? More mean space dildos that shoot lasers. How about one in red?
... said no one. Ever. |
Freya Shimane
Cut Throats And Wise Guys
1
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
I like all of these changes, provided these hulls get a T2 makeover like Marauders and Bombers. |
Sarmatiko
1448
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:52:00 -
[94] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. To make this change right there should be dependency from corresponding blueprint. After changes Sleipnir with Hurricane hull will be invented from Cyclone BPO.. with magic? One little "logical" change now leads to another inconsistency.
Also Kaalakiota Drake is broken currently. Let's hope Art Department will fix it before Rubicon. -¥ |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
365
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:55:00 -
[95] - Quote
It cant be just me that would love to see a nod back to the time when the sleipnir had its zebra camo?
im not sold at all on the hurricane model for the sleipnir, though from a stats and weapon based role it makes sense. But i would love the camo from the old sleipnir to go on the new hurricane model.
basically this: http://www.ravestats.com/public/fen/0_sleipnir.jpg on this: http://i.imgur.com/hpYJ8fBh.jpg
plzplzplzplzplzplzplz!!! <3
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Madbuster73
RED SQUAD
43
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Posted - 2013.10.02 19:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
I like it very much! Especially the new Absolution.
I love that Harbinger hull!!!
But in my opinion the Eos and Sleipnir could get some more love (nicer paintings)
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1602
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:00:00 -
[97] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. To make this change right there should be dependency from corresponding blueprint. After changes Sleipnir with Hurricane hull will be invented from Cyclone BPO.. with magic? One little "logical" change now leads to another inconsistency. Also Kaalakiota Drake is broken currently. Let's hope Art Department will fix it before Rubicon.
I think you missed this line, directly above the quote you pulled:
CCP Fozzie wrote:This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
267
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:01:00 -
[98] - Quote
Pretty sure the model changes will soon include a bodykit of some sort, though that sleipnirsketch surely does need a good bit more vargur.
Looking forward to the finished work >:) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3633385&#post3633385 - 15% more tank since the 1.1-patch. |
Cethion
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
12
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:03:00 -
[99] - Quote
In general I approve of this idea, but I really don't like the way the Harbinger hull looks, so that particular change is very disappointing to me. I realize that the chances of getting that change undone are low to null, so instead I'm going to focus on making sure my Absolution dies in a fire before Rubicon comes out, it seems like the only way to make sure it goes with dignity. |
marVLs
437
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:03:00 -
[100] - Quote
Don't like it :/ why more and more drakes, canes with only different camo, we've got navy BC's. Command ships need completely new models |
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A Man Divided
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:03:00 -
[101] - Quote
Silly changes. Leave them be or ALL new models. Seriously you have massive amounts of concept art and the create your own starship contest and you recycle models. Hey let me train leadership for what 6-8 months so I can fly a hurricane...FFS.
I hope you get hate mail from the people who use their nighthawks. Hurrah now they can fly...a drake...again. At least ferox greater than drake model.
Really though anything tech 2 should be unique. NO ONE LIKES MMO RESKINS
Give Marauders blackops UNIQUE MODELS. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:05:00 -
[102] - Quote
+1 subpar Drake hull. |
A Man Divided
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:07:00 -
[103] - Quote
Also the SOE ship designs look awesome. So WTH is going on here. |
Sollana
FireStar Inc Get Off My Lawn
242
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:09:00 -
[104] - Quote
i can understand theharbinger, myrm and omg T2 Drake but the sleipnir? geez |
Xicho
Damned Yankees Insidious Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:11:00 -
[105] - Quote
So....
Can we have faction variants with the old designs then?
Since there will be a T1, faction, T2 drake, would love to see a T1, faction and T2 ferox.
And ofc the other races.
Thanks. |
Kithian Hastos
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:14:00 -
[106] - Quote
Wait, there's spaceships behind all these windows? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6111
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:14:00 -
[107] - Quote
I cant hear this thread over the sound of the front of my pants exploding.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Sarmatiko
1449
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:20:00 -
[108] - Quote
Zhilia Mann wrote:I think you missed this line, directly above the quote you pulled: CCP Fozzie wrote:This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. Sorry my eyes were full of tears because of Sleipnir loss and I just missed that sentence -¥ |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
1603
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:24:00 -
[109] - Quote
Sarmatiko wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:I think you missed this line, directly above the quote you pulled: CCP Fozzie wrote:This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. Sorry my eyes were full of tears because of Sleipnir loss and I just missed that sentence
Can't blame you there. Not only are my Sleipnirs dying, now I'll never move my stack of Cyclones. Sigh. |
Akturous
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
227
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:35:00 -
[110] - Quote
All except the new Sleip look sexy, for the love of god, can't we have a consistency exemption just for the Sleip *weeps a little tear.
I need to find that '**** in my pants' song for the Binger. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
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dethleffs
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
252
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:39:00 -
[111] - Quote
AAArrrrrrrrgggghhh!! My sleip!
rest look awesome though! |
AstraPardus
THE INSURGENCY The Unthinkables
276
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:41:00 -
[112] - Quote
I see a house divided, but I say 'YAAAAAY!'
Rubicon = bestcon. Every time I post is Pardy time! :3 |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
71
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:42:00 -
[113] - Quote
I do actually quite like the idea of giving BC hulls "equal share" in how they are "upgraded" to Command Ships. So +1 from me on that. And it makes sense how you've allocated the new upgrades (it was always a bit silly to see missiles pouring from a Ferox hull, even though I do love my Nighthawk).
That said, there's the question of how you'll justify making a Tech 2 Myrmidon less good at being a drone boat than the Tech 1 version.
To say nothing of why a Harbinger -- normally a pretty weak tank compared to a Prophecy -- gets a massive tank boost when it goes Tech 2.
Screw the haters: Sleipnir using the Hurricane hull is a big win. |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:45:00 -
[114] - Quote
i support the proposed changes. Abso and Myrm in particular. |
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
54
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:46:00 -
[115] - Quote
Should have switched them the other way around.
Amarr - Laser Chicken & Missile Harb Caldari - Blaster Drake & Missile Ferox Minny - MissileCane & Auto Cyclone Gal - Blaster Myrm and Drone Brutix
Doesn't ruin the Sleip/NH/Abso models and allows each hull to be used in different ways. With the Prophecy change and this we now have 0 Laser Chickens... who wants to live in a world with no Laser Chickens?!?!? |
Draknishar
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
7
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:48:00 -
[116] - Quote
I remember the time I wanted a nighthawk, it was mere minutes ago. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
527
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:50:00 -
[117] - Quote
I was in doubt about Abso being Carthum Harby, but it turns out that it's really good. These changes are welcome, although I can understand people who'd rather see completely new models. Good job anyways |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:56:00 -
[118] - Quote
As stated should have used four more of the player submitted models you have had for YEARS since the model contest for the attack battlecruisers.
Another opportunity lost and another chance to look as lazy and uninterested in EVE as possible devs...way to go. More reskins? Really CCP?...REALLY?
No wonder people think you guys are working on other stuff not EVE or are just plain lazy and don't care.
UNREAL |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
22
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Posted - 2013.10.02 20:58:00 -
[119] - Quote
I'm sorry to say, i dislike the new modells really. Please leave them all how are they are now or make new modells.
3 times the same hulls? Why? (Norm T1, Navy, + planned new Nighthawk?!)
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Teth Razor
Chicks on Speed
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:08:00 -
[120] - Quote
OMG loves the abso! |
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Helothane
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:11:00 -
[121] - Quote
I can understand the move to just reskinning existing models - art is usually the rate-limiting step in the development of any game. Creating new models, even ones that are slight modifications of existing ones, is time consuming, and art resources are already needed for the new deployable structures, SOE ships and whatever else has already been planned.
However, if you are going to do something, take the time to do it right. I haven't been seeing a lot of pressure for distinct models for these ships. Sure, I would like to see some distinction between them, visually, but can we have something other than a quick skin job? |
Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
41
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:22:00 -
[122] - Quote
stay away from the Sleipnir ><
it's bad enough you removed the guns from cyclones but removing the iconic sleipnir the last bastion of cyclone hull projectile weapons and turning it into a crappy hurricane clone just sucks.
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Dex Slim
Phrike Squadron
6
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:22:00 -
[123] - Quote
If new command ship models are not on the horizon I approve of this change. Variety is nice and the new ships look great, I especially like the new Sleipnir.
Otherwise a pretty amusing thread. |
GeeShizzle MacCloud
365
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:23:00 -
[124] - Quote
Radgette wrote:stay away from the Sleipnir ><
it's bad enough you removed the guns from cyclones but removing the iconic sleipnir the last bastion of cyclone hull projectile weapons and turning it into a crappy hurricane clone just sucks.
i want the zebra skin back! |
Tarn Kugisa
Imperial Guardians Spaceship Samurai
502
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:32:00 -
[125] - Quote
Kaalakiota ships have the best paint jobs for caldari ships I want a Kaalakiota Wyvern Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet --áKuroVolt |
sten mattson
Virtus Crusade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
OOO O_O
This is how the turret layout should be on the wings of the absolution in harbinger form not this:
OOO _OO IMMA FIRING MA LAZAR!!! |
Minister of Death
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:37:00 -
[127] - Quote
Clay stays choo-choo? If so, ok.
Not a fan of the Nighthawk change, but if clay stays train all good. |
Six Strangelove
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
8
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Posted - 2013.10.02 21:54:00 -
[128] - Quote
-1
Do not want. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:00:00 -
[129] - Quote
now for a kaalakiota Cerberus please... ?????
and change the T2 frigs and cruisers for more variation please Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Grimeee
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:14:00 -
[130] - Quote
Thanks, NO ! |
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Leto Atal
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:21:00 -
[131] - Quote
Eos changing to the Myrmidon hull - finally. Not sure how I feel about the change to the Sleipnir. It will take some getting used to since it's the ship I fly most frequently. That said if you could give it a black paint job like the Claymore it would get my full support. (I think forest camo patterns in space are ridiculous) |
Sexy-Milf
Pay up or Die
0
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Posted - 2013.10.02 22:23:00 -
[132] - Quote
Hear we go again................CCP changing things for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
If you wanna change them them comup with a totally new design, not just a different paint job on an outta date design. Seriously , change for changes sake.......cant you find something better to do?.....go make coffee, sweep the floors etc etc. |
ZagaBoom
Shuffle The Deck
0
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:15:00 -
[133] - Quote
Has anyone mentioned yet that the harby already looked like a tampon? now its red...
dps "absorbant", has wings, is red.... battle chicken, becomes the battle tampon. For when a gurlz really serious. >.< |
Spite Incarnate
Norse'Storm Battle Group Li3 Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:16:00 -
[134] - Quote
Quote:it's bad enough you removed the guns from cyclones but removing the iconic sleipnir the last bastion of cyclone hull projectile weapons and turning it into a crappy hurricane clone just sucks.
This is insane. The Sleip was honestly my favorite look of all time. This change is terrible. |
Siddicus
Nation of Sidd Order of the Exalted
9
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:24:00 -
[135] - Quote
Leave the Sleipnir alone!
At least give it some kind of variant of the Hurricane model instead of just giving us a *slightly* different Hurricane Fleet Issue. Maybe something like what you all did with the Stabber hulls. Increase the whingy bits on the side so it follows the side of the hull making a V of solar panels and maybe one on the top like a sail. I am not an artist or else I'd have drawn something out for you but don't just give us the same old model with a different cammo.
PS: Give it Zebra stripes! |
Callic Veratar
466
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:31:00 -
[136] - Quote
The only issue I have is that the Hurricane, the RF Hurricane, and the Slepnir all look very similar. The faction could use some better painters. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
397
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Posted - 2013.10.02 23:40:00 -
[137] - Quote
Callic Veratar wrote:The only issue I have is that the Hurricane, the RF Hurricane, and the Slepnir all look very similar. The faction could use some better painters.
I don't think the Minmatar quite understand what 'paint' is, let alone how to properly maintain the hulls of their ships- said paint would be gone in a few weeks regardless of what it was, leaving you with rusted hulls again. |
StinGer ShoGuN
Pragmatic Kernel Rat Pack Renegades
5
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
At first I was like: "OMFGWTF !!! AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST A NEW MYRMIDON MODEL" !!!!!!!! And I read "CreoDrone". I was expecting some kind of aggressive green/blue paintings telling drone d00m was approching !!!
Then I saw the pictures... Why you do this ? There's barely a new logo... That's all. |
Esnardo
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:29:00 -
[139] - Quote
-1
Thanks but no lol
I don't see the point of doing that , now the Abso and Nighthawk are just horrible >< |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
1756
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:37:00 -
[140] - Quote
Did...
Did they manage to make a sexy Drake, with only a paintjob? |
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
398
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:52:00 -
[141] - Quote
Danika Princip wrote:Did...
Did they manage to make a sexy Drake, with only a paintjob?
No, not quite. The Nighthawk is barely better than it was statwise before September and won't see much use outside of PvE I bet. Which is a shame because it actually does look kind of cool, and I wouldn't mind one solely based on appearance.
I just wish it could be... Actually usable for something that isn't fighting Guristas. Claymore's just better. |
Javon Bars
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2013.10.03 00:54:00 -
[142] - Quote
Absolution: I was most afraid for the Abso of all command ships because the original model is gorgeous but I have to say, the new skin looks really good.
Nighthawk: God damn that looks so sexy.
Eos: Dislike, still looks like the t1 version.
Sleip: Decent but it looks like the faction hurricane skin, both having space camo. |
Jonatan Reed
The Pulsar Innovation Surely You're Joking
68
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
No thanks... ELITE PVP, WHADDUP |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:37:00 -
[144] - Quote
small question is it a change for a change. i would like the graphics department to design new hulls for all t2 ships. they did a great job on the stealth bombers but i know its alot of work and even these changes are work also i dont think it was necessary. |
Xeator
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:40:00 -
[145] - Quote
I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:45:00 -
[146] - Quote
Xeator wrote:I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin.
u havent played long enough then tbh i think mine and your standpoint is pretty wide spread in the playerbase. |
Xeator
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:47:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Xeator wrote:I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin. u havent played long enough then tbh i think mine and your standpoint is pretty wide spread in the playerbase.
Ah yes, the previous models were the same, just reskins.
If they did it with stealthbombers I can imagine it is doable for all T2. And its nice to know Im not the only one thinking they need a change :) |
Galphii
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
184
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:52:00 -
[148] - Quote
They all look brilliant - Nighthawk is going to become more popular than ever methinks Don't let nostalgia and tradition pen you in creatively. An artist is always ready to dump older work in favour of new creations. X |
Seismic Stan
416
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:53:00 -
[149] - Quote
Boo.
For years I've been hoarding a Nighthawk blueprint I invented myself, waiting until I get around to learning the right construction skills to build it by my own hand. It was going to be a rite of passage as I finally undocked in the intimidating bulldog-like black and red T2 Ferox hull.
Now, it'll just be yet another uninspiring flying shin pad.
[The model changes make sense, I'm just not a fan of the skidmark brown Lai Dai livery that's on the Vulture. EVE Online: The Text Adventure --áGameSkinny Columnist - Freebooted --áTech 4 News |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7684
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Posted - 2013.10.03 01:58:00 -
[150] - Quote
Hey guys, I'm not going to be posting a lot in these threads between now and Monday, when these changes hit sisi. Just want to reassure you all that I'm still going to be reading every post in this thread and that I appreciate the feedback. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Ezek Price
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
26
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:01:00 -
[151] - Quote
Cyclone hull for the Sleipnir pretty pleeassse War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left.
My blog, Civire Commander: http://civre.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Siddicus
Nation of Sidd Order of the Exalted
9
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:14:00 -
[152] - Quote
Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Xeator wrote:I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin. u havent played long enough then tbh i think mine and your standpoint is pretty wide spread in the playerbase.
The stabber hulls are a great example of this and should be implemented throughout the models =) |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
638
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Posted - 2013.10.03 02:17:00 -
[153] - Quote
Creodron ships still need to be moar green like they were before -áwww.promsrage.com |
Andronitis
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:12:00 -
[154] - Quote
Terrible change. Ships that fill the same role on the battlefield should look the same. There is a reason that the stiletto and claw both use the slasher model.
Please reconsider this change. |
Torei Dutalis
The Golden Scorpion Crew Brigands of New Eden
6
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:20:00 -
[155] - Quote
R.I.P. Golden (Muddy Reddish Color) Goose, you served me well.
New harbie skin looks awesome, model is still ass.
New drake skin looks great.
Myrm looks like myrm.
Cane looks like cane.
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
398
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:22:00 -
[156] - Quote
Xeator wrote:I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin.
Marauders.
Especially the Kronos and Vargur. |
Steven Grlscz
Obstergo Bitten.
5
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Posted - 2013.10.03 03:44:00 -
[157] - Quote
The re-skin is alright, sure they look pretty, but basically they're the same as they were before, just re-skinned already existing ships. So in all reality there isn't much a change going on...
As other have pointed out, why not new models for the ships? Even if they're just modified versions of these current models, it would greatly continue to add to the immersion of the game that Rubicon is already bringing with its S.O.E. ships.
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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1234
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:19:00 -
[158] - Quote
Chandaris wrote:100 million to whoever can say "Kaalakiota", nine times, fast.
As a former Hawaiian, it is quite easy!
I'm very happy with the changes. Especially the Drake. It always bothered me that the Nighthawk was a missile boat based on the Ferox. |
Angux Thermopyle
Negative Density
13
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:20:00 -
[159] - Quote
Fozzie, don't do it man.
Some of these command ships are iconic. Think of the past Alliance Tournaments when Sleipners burned across the field of battle and burned down their opponents in a storm of auto's. Please don't change their outward appearance to different ship hulls. Its a terrible idea and makes no sense for any kind of EvE historical continuity. I mean, in the lore of EvE how do you explain that the Sleipner now looks like a Hurricane or a Nighthawk now looks like a Drake. Same for the others. Its confusing and meaningless. You gave those old Tier2 BC hulls new life with the faction boats (even though the RF Hurricane is just the pre-nerf one with a camo scheme for 100mil more) so there is no need to suddenly swap out the appearances without any justification other than for appearances sake. I understand you may want to make them more distinguishable. I get that. But I think more subtle changes should be the way to go. Similar to the recons that share the same hull.
Please don't do this. Its a bad idea. Sometimes you just have to step back from the brink of change and think about what you are doing. |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
80
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:24:00 -
[160] - Quote
**** yes these all look awesome. Cane is one of my fav models in the game, I'd love my sleip to look like one instead of the winged flashlight it is. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4151
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:51:00 -
[161] - Quote
PinkKnife wrote:Yes! Please do!
Though to be honest, the CreoDrone skins on a whole are pretty non-descript compared to the normal ships.
Yeah, Creodron ships need more gold/bronze instead of grey + dark grey.
I avoided training into command ships because I dislike the Ferox model. My other leadership alt is able to fly command ships and will be flying an Eos once these changes come out.
I do not have any command ships that I actually fly: my off-grid-boosting is done through T3 hulls.
The only hull change that I have complained about so far was changing the Helios from the Maulus model to the Imicus model. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
637
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Posted - 2013.10.03 04:59:00 -
[162] - Quote
Xeator wrote:I have been wondering why most T2 ships are just reskins or the T1 counterparts since I started playing. Only stealthbombers have different models?
Why not just follow the that direction with all T2 ships? Slightly altered model of the T1 counterpart instead of a simple reskin.
You may not have noticed, but that's exactly what they're doing; it takes a while though. Right now they're working on Marauders; CCP BunnyVirus insists that the current Paladin skin is just a placeholder until the real one is finished. In the meantime, a few examples would be to compare the Tempest and Golem; the Megathron and Kronos; the Rifter, Jaguar and Wolf; the Probe and Cheetah. There are definitely others, but I'm not going to list them here. Anyway, Art has said they are definitely trying to get all the T2 ships remodeled to be slight variations of the T1 ships they're created from and not just simple reskins. They're making it a little more complicated than that though, so expect progress to continue being a bit slow. |
Suzuka A1
Multiplex Gaming Li3 Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:09:00 -
[163] - Quote
But...but...but why? *Dazed and confused*
Why not just wait and make new models like was done for the stealth bombers? Never forget the battle of Z9PP-H-á What actually happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgcUwTmHY74 Battle Report: http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?42836-They-Might-Be-Giants-The-Southwest&p=497626&viewfull=1#post497626 |
kai il
2 Girls 1 Hole Nyratic
5
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:17:00 -
[164] - Quote
I liked my cyclone with autocannons and you changed that to missiles, I still had the sliep tho and now you change it to a ship that looks just like a fleet cane? why not change the claymore instead, I like autocannons on my cyclone hull :/ |
Fayral
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:19:00 -
[165] - Quote
Never going to make everyone happy.
I for one, appreciate the new digs. |
Bittaman
Sickology Dead Terrorists
10
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:20:00 -
[166] - Quote
I can honestly say this looks terrible, don't change it, its fine the way it is |
L0gan
White Raven Industries Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 05:52:00 -
[167] - Quote
What "manufacturing" changes are we talking about? Ships like the absolution are already almost unprofitable even with a bpo. |
Von Reichenbach
Maraque Enterprises
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:13:00 -
[168] - Quote
+1 for attempted style...
but -2 for waste of time and hurting your players.
If all these ships are going to get remodeled... again... why even change them now? Even if people LOVE the new Flashy Drake, or Iron Man Myrm, you are going to take that away from them too.
All you are doing is hurting people who want to hold onto the past AND hurting those who want to embrace the future.
Just my 2 cents.
Von |
Blod Bladelicker
Flashpoint Chaos Sexy Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:20:00 -
[169] - Quote
Farewell Old absolution with the scary-ish but awesome looking eyes :(
Is there any way for you to return those eyes on the new harbinger model? |
Liafcipe9000
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
11112
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:45:00 -
[170] - Quote
suddenly, active tank hurricane.
IT BETTER HAVE A LARGER CARGO HOLD THAN THE CURRENT SLEIPNIR. it's too damn small for ASB fits.
but if you ARE changing the models, at least give them a distinctive physical feature, like an extra solar panel on the cane's back or underbelly. You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1221
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
Liafcipe9000 wrote:suddenly, active tank hurricane.
IT BETTER HAVE A LARGER CARGO HOLD THAN THE CURRENT SLEIPNIR. it's too damn small for ASB fits.
but if you ARE changing the models, at least give them a distinctive physical feature, like an extra solar panel on the cane's back or underbelly.
This thread is only about models changes, thay won't change no stats from looks of it. |
Liafcipe9000
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
11112
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Posted - 2013.10.03 06:55:00 -
[172] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Liafcipe9000 wrote:suddenly, active tank hurricane.
IT BETTER HAVE A LARGER CARGO HOLD THAN THE CURRENT SLEIPNIR. it's too damn small for ASB fits.
but if you ARE changing the models, at least give them a distinctive physical feature, like an extra solar panel on the cane's back or underbelly. This thread is only about models changes, thay won't change no stats from looks of it.
that doesn't chane anything that I said. if(or should I say 'when') the sleipnir becomes a hurricane variant...
actually, it needs a cargohold expansion, NOW. MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP! You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
ShipsOfEve
www.shipsofeve.com
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:38:00 -
[173] - Quote
http://www.eohgames.com/labs/Ships/Creodron%20Myrmidon
Brutor Hurricane looks the same apart from the logo - http://www.eohgames.com/labs/Ships/Brutor%20Hurricane
Will add the missing 3 tonight so you can spin em. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
583
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Posted - 2013.10.03 07:42:00 -
[174] - Quote
Nice ! G££ <= Me |
Fel'ina Twilight
Tesseract Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:07:00 -
[175] - Quote
I prefer the Hurricane model over the Cyclone.
I like this change.
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So'Cari
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:27:00 -
[176] - Quote
The models are perfectly fine and whilst it's a shame to lose the iconic Sleipnir it's nothing game breaking.
That being said this is yet another case of having the wrong development priorities. New models aren't contributing to the illusive 'long term vision' (which increasingly sounds like a poor excuse for the complete lack of meaningful short-term development), they don't fit the model of 'themed expansions' and it goes without saying that they contribute nothing in the way of new gameplay options.
I would much prefer future dev time to be spent on balance (great work so far with ships), quality of life improvements and new gameplay features (silly mini-games need not apply). |
Atlantis Fuanan
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
26
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Posted - 2013.10.03 08:57:00 -
[177] - Quote
:( Really? Cmon sit behind it, give it some time and give a really new model not just a retextured old one. *dislike* |
NorthCrossroad
EVE University Ivy League
80
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:03:00 -
[178] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:The plan is:
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane No. Just NO. Make two command ship a bit different from each - sure, fine. But really Sleip and Absolution are too awesome as they are to change the base hull.
North
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
199
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:12:00 -
[179] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake
Do not want. Nighthawk is sexy in Ferox clothing. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
398
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:17:00 -
[180] - Quote
As before on this topic, yes please. |
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Vulfen
Snuff Box
62
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:19:00 -
[181] - Quote
CCP has been saying they were doing this for a while n reading this all of a sudden people have started wingeing, the hulls look decent, ship harby ftw, but the sleph probably drew the short straw as the cane is probably the most unimaginative base hull you can get. |
Cale Agittain
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:21:00 -
[182] - Quote
Seeing a couple ppl here advocating that the Claymore hull be changed from the Cyclone to the Hurricane and the Sleipnir staying as a Cyclone hull.
Just throwing in my two cents: Please don't do that. We like our T2 Cyclone being black and using missiles. Missiles on a Cane just wouldn't be right.
The new Sleipnir does look a bit indistinct from the Fleet Cane, perhaps some solar panel frilling is in order, or something else to visually separate it from the Fleet Cane besides the brown camo / green camo thing. |
Radgette
EVE Irn Bru Distribution
45
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:41:00 -
[183] - Quote
Also could you please clarify something for me
atm I invent from my cyclone bpo and build a sleipnir with a cyclone bpo to build the cyclone required. ( getting high ME took a while :P )
after the patch to build these changed models will you now need to purchase the other battlecruiser BPO?
fe nighthawk will now need drake bpo instead of ferox, myrm instead of brutix, harb instead of prop?
or will you ignore that and just have them invent off the current bpo? |
Akturous
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
228
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:53:00 -
[184] - Quote
I didn't think of the suggestion, but using the player models from the ABC comp is an excellent idea, I'm sure that will please everyone.
That would differentiate them from the Navy BC's.
Yeah you should do that. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Pellit1
Vitai Lampada Sicarius Draconis
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:55:00 -
[185] - Quote
While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything
New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane |
Akturous
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
228
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:55:00 -
[186] - Quote
Radgette wrote:Also could you please clarify something for me
atm I invent from my cyclone bpo and build a sleipnir with a cyclone bpo to build the cyclone required. ( getting high ME took a while :P )
after the patch to build these changed models will you now need to purchase the other battlecruiser BPO?
fe nighthawk will now need drake bpo instead of ferox, myrm instead of brutix, harb instead of prop?
or will you ignore that and just have them invent off the current bpo?
He said you'll need the new BPO I believe, it was early on.
On the flip side, at least now the Claymore is worth as much as the Sleip and moves a lot more than it used to. Vote Item Heck One for CSM8 |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2013.10.03 09:57:00 -
[187] - Quote
Pellit1 wrote:While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane
They need to make Lai Dai have a better colour scheme instead of being half normal half gold.. Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Xeator
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
5
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:03:00 -
[188] - Quote
Harvey James wrote:Pellit1 wrote:While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane They need to make Lai Dai have a better colour scheme instead of being half normal half gold..
You mean Ishukone? Lai Dai is brown/orange.
Just ended up looking at that page. Why cant we have all those pretty Rokhs with so many different skins. They all look so cool! Such variety would be nice. Not just having to stick with the usual boring skin would be awesome. Plus new T2 models! :D |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
41
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:08:00 -
[189] - Quote
Krissada wrote:While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin. Why not wait and create an all new design?
I definitely second that.
Especially the Harbinger is a ship model (imo) that shouldn't used all that often, let alone for a new command ship model. It has so many flaws and glitches and looks more like a helicopter without the rotor than a nice space ship.
New models required! |
Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
36
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:12:00 -
[190] - Quote
Awesome overall! But Myrmidon looks too much lika grey dull caldari hull.. It should have 1 more color on the hull to make it be more gallente
Would be cool if hulls recieved more model changes to make them look more high tec, but i guess its a nitpick. |
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Tepalica
ACME-INC
23
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:13:00 -
[191] - Quote
FC, can I bring my Drake?
These new skins are awsome! |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
41
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:16:00 -
[192] - Quote
Janeway84 wrote:Awesome overall! But Myrmidon looks too much lika grey dull caldari hull.. It should have 1 more color on the hull to make it be more gallente Would be cool if hulls recieved more model changes to make them look more high tec, but i guess its a nitpick.
Not nitpicking at all. New models or noticable changes to the existing models are definitely required in order to distinct between them and guarantee the intented "making the differences between the command ships more intuitive".
Give us proper new commandships or leave them with the already awesome models!
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Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
14
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Posted - 2013.10.03 10:55:00 -
[193] - Quote
Cale Agittain wrote:The new Sleipnir does look a bit indistinct from the Fleet Cane, perhaps some solar panel frilling is in order, or something else to visually separate it from the Fleet Cane besides the brown camo / green camo thing.
Yes - at first I thought the picture was actually a fleet cane by mistake. Perhaps more 'shine' like other Bounldess ships - Wolf and Munnin
Like the EOS, oddly, like the Abso but the drake and cane (oh sorry ...) Nhawk and Sleippy arent distinct to any degree.
As for the consistency - the Drake IS a missile boat, so the NHawk should be that model. The Cane is ... was :( ... 'the' gunboat, so the Sleip should be. |
HellishCypress
Seraph Vender
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 11:08:00 -
[194] - Quote
I like the NHawk the way it is tbh...the drake looks like crap imo...if your gonna change something bring in completely new models...the Caldari have so few ships that look good and the NHawk is one of them NOT the Drake... |
Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
174
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:04:00 -
[195] - Quote
Dat Draek.
It's ultimately the sexiest brick in the world. Looks damn shiney with that black/red Kaalakiota paintover. Also, wasn't expect the camo-cane to look so neat. Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet?
Covert pilots unite! Safer working conditions, less accidental limb loss due to unfortunate Cyno accidents! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=258986 |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:07:00 -
[196] - Quote
Xeator wrote:Harvey James wrote:Pellit1 wrote:While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane They need to make Lai Dai have a better colour scheme instead of being half normal half gold.. You mean Ishukone? Lai Dai is brown/orange.
both are equally bad :P Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Alsyth
85
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:20:00 -
[197] - Quote
Sleipnir and Nighhawk are horrible. |
David Kir
Tailender
233
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:23:00 -
[198] - Quote
Why can't we keep the Sleipnir as it as, and swap the Claymore hull?
Who wouldn't love a black, missile-spewing Hurricane?
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Adelaida Yaraya
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:33:00 -
[199] - Quote
All this is so uninspiring, unsatisfying and disappointing.
I mean common CCP are you serious? The company that brought us one of the most amazing universes in all of game industry, so many beautiful ships, stations, items, tools and stories cannot make new models of ships anymore? Why would you need to make new paints over and over again? Is there a problem in the design department or what? I donGÇÖt think so cause the new SoE ships are stunning!
And this is exactly what I want to see - absolutely new hull models, new ships, new possibilities.
Why would you need to ruin and change such a cult ship as the Sleipnir has become long ago? Why would you need to bring us several Drake designs when the original and navy version are more than enough already? Why would you take off one turret slot from the Myrmidon in means of balance (which I understand), but leave the hull model as it was before making the empty slot hanging there making the whole ship look not intact anymore?
And I now you have a lot to do, but can anyone tell me why there still are such hulls as the Condor still doing in this game in 2013? Why don't you redesign more ships as you awesomely did with the Apoc? And can you do it a little faster please?
I strongly against the command ship changes. And I think a lot of veterans will agree with me. If you want to make the differences more intuitive then please take your time and make some fresh shiny new hulls already. IMHO the looks are very important in this game. With all my love and respect to CCP developers, guys, what are we paying you for anyway? DonGÇÖt be lazy! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4152
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:34:00 -
[200] - Quote
David Kir wrote:Why can't we keep the Sleipnir as it as, and swap the Claymore hull?
Who wouldn't love a black, missile-spewing Hurricane?
this kind of thing has been done before: Incursus / Tristan versus Ishkur/Nemesis for example. The T2 version used the "other" weapon system, different to the T1 hull.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Mr Doctor
Los Polos Hermanos. Happy Cartel
66
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:37:00 -
[201] - Quote
Love the model change.
Lackluster on the new paintjobs. |
Major Killz
La Fraternite
239
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:41:00 -
[202] - Quote
I'm not sure what to feel about these changes... - Killz
Combat Log: http://www.youtube.com/user/kdsalmon/videos - Pantaloon II: Violins (Jun 23, 2013) |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Tormented of Destiny The Kadeshi
144
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:43:00 -
[203] - Quote
nice to see this coming with rubicon.
sleipnir needs the round boundless creation solar panels, though. i thought that was part of the deal. |
Jadiss
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
11
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Posted - 2013.10.03 12:56:00 -
[204] - Quote
Not impressed...
At least try to alter the model somewhat.. not just reskin.... |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
907
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:10:00 -
[205] - Quote
can you please make the claymore a hurricane hull instead?
reasons: 1. black hurricane 2. everyone loves the sleipnir as it is currently
everything else is fine, although i really don't wanna give up the idea of the black and red missile ferox... :( but the nighthawk with a drake hull looks great at least. |
jiwuuut
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:17:00 -
[206] - Quote
Sorry, but the new models just look unispired and totally blant. We already have reskined tier 2 bc hulls. Sure the t2 Myrm looks cool and all, but you had the chance to introduce a model when you put Faction BCs in the game.
And this will ruin much beloved ships like the Nighthawk and the Sleipnir with their unique and edgy looks. If you want to introduce new models for those commandships, do a complete rework. We are seeing enough Drakes and Hurricanes as is already.
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Urkhan Law
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
16
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:can you please make the claymore a hurricane hull instead?
This, Sleipner in Hurricane hull looks so bland. Skin issues?
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Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings
113
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:44:00 -
[208] - Quote
Everything but the Slip...Cane is meh. Cyclone Hull looks so much better, |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
907
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Posted - 2013.10.03 13:52:00 -
[209] - Quote
the more i look at the nighthawk, the more i want you to keep it a ferox hull. the nighthawk was the "drake for people who hated how the drake looks". It's not fair to take this joy away from people.
Yes, it would mean either having 2 ferox command ships, or a drake with guns. But sometimes that's just how things have to work. |
Izi55IzI
TunDraGon
26
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:11:00 -
[210] - Quote
keep the sleip as in now (a cyclone hull)
thanks |
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Sir Bartfraze
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:17:00 -
[211] - Quote
Why would you want to change two of the most unique and interesting looking ships (Nighthawk/Sleipnir) to literally the most boring and uninspired hulls there are? I can see the need for a remodelling, but why not wait for when you actually got the new models done...and i hope by god those will be based on the Ferox and the Cyclone hulls.
Because the one thing this game does not need are more Hurricanes and Drakes. |
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1234
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:18:00 -
[212] - Quote
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:can you please make the claymore a hurricane hull instead?
reasons: 1. black hurricane 2. everyone loves the sleipnir as it is currently
t.
I like this approach. |
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:48:00 -
[213] - Quote
finally, a tech 2 drake. +1 |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1248
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:53:00 -
[214] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:More posts! One of the changes we were investigating for Odyssey 1.1 but had to drop due to time was adjustments to the models of half the command ships. The goal would be to move them over to hulls that match the T1 combat BC that shares their weapon type, creating some more variety, opening up options for the art guys in the future, and making the differences between the command ships more intuitive. This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me. The plan is: Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
Couldn't like this post more than once....grrr
Its such a positive change and a many times asked one for obvious reasons. Of course some don't like change and will feel :hard feelings hurt: but at the end of the day all it matters is that this awesome change makes sense. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
JellyMons
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 14:58:00 -
[215] - Quote
So what will eve be like when there's nothing left in it from the past? |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
672
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:08:00 -
[216] - Quote
jiwuuut wrote:We are seeing enough Drakes and Hurricanes as is already.
I dont even know the last time I saw a drake or hurricane. |
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
106
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:21:00 -
[217] - Quote
I hate to say this, but
Do. Not. Want.
While the Harbinger hull for the Absolution looks nice and all, the thought of my War Chicken of DoomGäó no longer actually looking like a War Chicken of DoomGäó greatly disappoints me. I absolutely love the Abso's current appearance and despise the thought of having it changed.
As far as the Eos is concerned, this is the only one of the command ship model changes that I can get behind. The Myrmidon hull is sexy, though the skin could definitely use some coloration; right now it's just bland. Perhaps going with a lighter base hull color and then coloring parts of it emerald green in homage to the old Eos look?
For the Nighthawk, I've always loved its appearance, even if it hasn't been usable in practice due to having insufficient midslots. Now, with the move to the Drake hull, it is both sub-par in capability and poor in appearance (I'm not a fan of the Drake's appearance). If it absolutely has to be moved to the Drake, at least make the base coloration black and limit the red highlights to specific areas of the ship instead of giving it red tiger stripes.
The Sleipnir hull was always great due to its resemblance to a freight train; if you saw one of these coming at you, its appearance exactly matched the type of fight you were going to experience from it. The Hurricane hull, on the other hand, lacks this visceral sense of impending doom. Moreover, the way the camo pattern on the proposed hull was done really breaks up the outline of the ship, making it wavering and indistinct instead of being solid and threatening. Perhaps switch to solid, alternating plates of black and rust on the various hull pieces? Additionally, it would be nice if some forward-facing lights could be included in homage to the old Sleipnir appearance. |
Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:23:00 -
[218] - Quote
Please change the Claymore and not the Sleipnir, we already have 2 AC using hurricane models, do we need a 3rd?
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Jane Shapperd
Sanctuary Reapers II
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:43:00 -
[219] - Quote
Love the model change.
i am looking forward to see them |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
43
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:46:00 -
[220] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Couldn't like this post more than once....grrr Its such a positive change and a many times asked one for obvious reasons. Of course some don't like change and will feel :hard feelings hurt: but at the end of the day all it matters is that this awesome change makes sense.
It would be awesome if it was new models. Recycling the ****** models for this is not awesome. It's just lazy.
CCP, better go and work since we are paying your for that! Give us awesome models and not just recycling trash.
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Callic Veratar
468
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:53:00 -
[221] - Quote
We have this thing for the Caldari Shipyard paint jobs. Is there something similar for the other 3 factions? |
Zenethian
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:59:00 -
[222] - Quote
I seriously hope that you're not changing the names of the ships, just the models.
Because those names would be god damned terrible.
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Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
11
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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:59:00 -
[223] - Quote
NOOOOOOOO....
If you really want to change the ships, can't you just grab completely new hull... or the "tier 3" hulls??? Come'on Hurricane already has navy version... I invested a lot of skillpoints into gunnery because of Sleip... I hate 'cane hull so I'm gonna probs fly Claymore from now on, but that means my gunnery skills are just waste and I have to spend time on missiles which I do not like as much... But better spit missiles then look at that ugly piece of crap.
DAMN... You made me very VERY sad. |
Marcus Greengale
Vector Prime Industries
27
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:10:00 -
[224] - Quote
Disgusting!
Absolution and Nighthawk have the best hull design among ALL eve ships and you are going to ruin it! Why not to change the BlackbirdGÇÖs one instead? My eyeballs have always been melted out of my head every time I take a closer look on it!
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Ariesen Serenity
SRE Brotherhood
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:12:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:NOOOOOOOO....
If you really want to change the ships, can't you just grab completely new hull... or the "tier 3" hulls???
I love the EOS change. Who honestly wants another Drake, and Red Chicken of Doom...meh I like the red Harby hull I guess. With the Cane being my favorite Minny Hull, I was happy to see that change, until I realized, we have 2 Canes already! Why add a third?
However, I'll give up the t2 Myrm for a t2 Talos. And if a Minny complains about flying a FREAKING VERTICAL Sliep...something wrong with them. That's enough to make me go back to the Sliep! The Naga is one of the coolest hulls...would love to see it as a Vulture (and leave the NH the Ferox hull). And the Oracle...WHO DOESN'T WANT ONE IN RED????
Lets at least get away from the most used hulls, and go with the new BC tier 3 hulls
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FightingMoose
Norse'Storm Battle Group
8
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:16:00 -
[226] - Quote
All these pubbies complaining about how they are going to change ships because the new ones aren't "pretty enough" are amusing. Building new models would be a waste of the art department's time; I'd much rather they be working on new SOE ships, the animations/models for the bastion model, etc.
I think these are welcome changes; it only makes sense to have different models for different T2 ships, especially using separate weapons systems. Proud owner of an Ibis. |
TekGnosis
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:17:00 -
[227] - Quote
I'm actually kinda bummed at the prospect of losing the laser chicken. Prophecy hull shooting lasers really does have a great presence. I suppose in the end new models anyway...
Also... moar drake? Ain't nobody got time for dat.
I bet Absolution would be epic with medium hardpoints on an Oracle hull with an nice paint job. The T3BC models are quite good, maybe leverage those? |
Lord Moridin
Big Shadows Initiative Mercenaries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:18:00 -
[228] - Quote
No no no, this is a horrible idea. Why exactly? Because those people at the art department thought it looked nice.
All t1 hulls and no sleipnir makes Thor a dull boy
Give the t1 hulls this look instead, t1 hulls looks pretty booring anyways |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
14
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:21:00 -
[229] - Quote
Yes - as someone said - the Sleip is iconic ... but its also the missile boat (coming from the recently missileified Cyclone).
Would be nice to have a 'black cane' for the Claymore, but it would be odd continuity wise. Maybe a black cane for Sleip - Hotblack Desatio and Islington all over. |
Dyfchris
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:22:00 -
[230] - Quote
Two differente hull for command ship cool Eos looks like Myrm cool
I'm happy |
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MrLuciferi
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:22:00 -
[231] - Quote
No no no no no! Don't do it! Please don't!!! |
Dyfchris
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:22:00 -
[232] - Quote
del... |
Goti fase
Fase Industries
24
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:33:00 -
[233] - Quote
Should the harbinger hull not be used for the Damnation instead of the Absolution? |
Wiu Ming
Dracos Dozen
56
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:36:00 -
[234] - Quote
i admit the new graphics look great and all.
with that said, do what you want with the nighthawk and whatever the hell the gallente ship is but PLEASE leave the beloved abso and sleipnir as is. changing those legendary ships would be like, oh hell i dunno, offering up gold magnates on some lame-ass out-of-game scamming gambling site or something... |
Ariesen Serenity
SRE Brotherhood
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:38:00 -
[235] - Quote
no, they are trying to match t1 BC weapon system to t2 C-ship. |
BAJRAN BALI
Rabid Ninja Space Monkey Inc. Monkeys with Guns.
21
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:38:00 -
[236] - Quote
So what would be happening to the old hulls? I mean new ones look great, but what about the old ones? |
Takezo Kensei
Session9 Malum Exuro
2
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:47:00 -
[237] - Quote
No, just no!
Abso, sleip, nh have their _iconic_ models, which suit them _extremely_ well. Even the astarte looks cool in the brutix model. Abso and sleip especially look really badass and those models really deserve to stay!
On top of it who the hell wants to fly another drake!?! Or a cane for that matter?? Didn't you guys gave us navy BC's already? I'm really sorry but _none_ of the new hulls look as great as the old ones.
Wtf is team 5-0 thinking? You guys bored in office, no important stuff to work on so you're shitting on the command ships models??
Astarte / damnation / sleip - why on earth would anyone want them changed?? Just for the sake of standardization?
A definitive NO to these ridiculous changes!
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Michael J Caboose
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:58:00 -
[238] - Quote
I really dislike these changes. The harbinger is one of the ugliest hulls in Eve, and glitchy to boot. If the abso gets changed to the harbinger hull, I'll probably never undock in an abso again. Life's too short to fly ugly ships. A big thumbs down to the changes to the sleip and nighthawk as well. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
128
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:59:00 -
[239] - Quote
Just dropping in to sign my approval.
WTB EOS right naaow!!
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Gorgoth24
Sickology Dead Terrorists
47
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:59:00 -
[240] - Quote
+1 for this one, love this idea |
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Shanticat
the muppets DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:03:00 -
[241] - Quote
wrong topic.. |
Hairpins Blueprint
Paragraph 22 Aureus Alae
13
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:44:00 -
[242] - Quote
Models are nice : ) But DO NOT Change the names .... there is totaly no need for that please stop that fozzie :" |
stop changing names in game, it makes me dizzy and sad (sobing) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4699
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:50:00 -
[243] - Quote
Takezo Kensei wrote:No, just no! Abso, sleip, nh have their _iconic_ models, which suit them _extremely_ well. Even the astarte looks cool in the brutix model. Abso and sleip especially look really badass and those models really deserve to stay! On top of it who the hell wants to fly another drake!?! Or a cane for that matter?? Didn't you guys gave us navy BC's already? I'm really sorry but _none_ of the new hulls look as great as the old ones. Wtf is team 5-0 thinking? You guys bored in office, no important stuff to work on so you're shitting on the command ships models?? Astarte / damnation / sleip - why on earth would anyone want them changed?? Just for the sake of standardization? A definitive NO to these ridiculous changes! Well, since the Astarte and Damnation aren't going to be changed at all, 2/3rds of your argument falls a bit short. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4699
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:51:00 -
[244] - Quote
Hairpins Blueprint wrote:Models are nice : ) But DO NOT Change the names .... there is totaly no need for that please stop that fozzie :" | stop changing names in game, it makes me dizzy and sad (sobing) They aren't changing the names of the ships... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
John Ratcliffe
Sausy Sausages
225
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:48:00 -
[245] - Quote
I think changing the Sleipnir is a stupid idea. I love my Sleipnir just the way it is. If I wanted it to look like a Hurricane, I would have bought a ******* Hurricane.
FFS. Plus +ºa change, plus c'est la m+¬me chose |
Siddicus
Nation of Sidd Order of the Exalted
9
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:10:00 -
[246] - Quote
John Ratcliffe wrote:I think changing the Sleipnir is a stupid idea. I love my Sleipnir just the way it is. If I wanted it to look like a Hurricane, I would have bought a ******* Hurricane.
FFS.
Or a Hurricane Fleet Issue. which is just a camo hurricane, just like what they want the Sleipnir to be. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
150
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:18:00 -
[247] - Quote
Also stay away from the nighthawk! Go do something important instead. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
45
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:28:00 -
[248] - Quote
Goti fase wrote:Should the harbinger hull not be used for the Damnation instead of the Absolution?
NO! - as stated before, the Harbinger model is **** and should not be used. And in particular not for the Damnation! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
757
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:28:00 -
[249] - Quote
John Ratcliffe wrote:I think changing the Sleipnir is a stupid idea. I love my Sleipnir just the way it is. If I wanted it to look like a Hurricane, I would have bought a ******* Hurricane.
FFS. Except that still wouldn't make the sleip look like a hurricane, more it acknowledges the hurricane looks like a hurricane and, at the moment, isn't a sleip. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
45
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:32:00 -
[250] - Quote
Takezo Kensei wrote:No, just no! Abso, sleip, nh have their _iconic_ models, which suit them _extremely_ well. Even the astarte looks cool in the brutix model. Abso and sleip especially look really badass and those models really deserve to stay! On top of it who the hell wants to fly another drake!?! Or a cane for that matter?? Didn't you guys gave us navy BC's already? I'm really sorry but _none_ of the new hulls look as great as the old ones. Wtf is team 5-0 thinking? You guys bored in office, no important stuff to work on so you're shitting on the command ships models?? Astarte / damnation / sleip - why on earth would anyone want them changed?? Just for the sake of standardization? A definitive NO to these ridiculous changes!
Because some people are ******** (no sorry for flame escalation with this degree of trash talk and likes for this idea). Either new models or forget about this model change right away, Fozzie! CCP has 1 month, you better start concept-arting and drawing good stuff if you want a model change. |
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Ludakin DarkTribal
Babylon Knights Renegades Council
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 19:42:00 -
[251] - Quote
WTF ???
new skins for old hull...
that disapoint me, CCP dev need to work harder!!! those ships look ugly!!!
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hujciwdupe22
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:00:00 -
[252] - Quote
Dear Fozzie
i think its just lazy, Didnt you guys learn nothing? First Vagabond and its ****** skin then you remodelled it, so where was the point in giving it other skin in first place? That what you guys doing is total lazyness, give them new models or leave them,
What does it give to the lore?
NPC corporations seems to hire the junior brand manager ***** from the memes.
New models or gtfo (no offence but i have to say it) |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
758
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:07:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ludakin DarkTribal wrote:there is a lot of bugs to resolve ingame, not doing useless cosmetic change on command ship !!! So lets have the artists redirected to bug fixes. That will go splendidly. |
Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:07:00 -
[254] - Quote
The whole idea is meh at best IMO.
Most of these ship models got faction variant textures, and now you want to recycle the SAME models again by retexturing them again and assigning them as CS. That is hardly adding to variety.
CS already have distinctive textures, and just giving them different models of 2 existing ship variants seems pointless and a change for the sake of change.
i.e. 3 versions of Hurricane. We really need that?
I'd personally rather have things as they are and wait another 1-2 years for completely new models, than have this half-baked compromise solution.
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Clendestined
Apologetic Tendencies
3
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:18:00 -
[255] - Quote
Rhea Rankin Nolen wrote:The whole idea is meh at best IMO. Most of these ship models got faction variant textures, and now you want to recycle the SAME models again by retexturing them again and assigning them as CS. That is hardly adding to variety. CS already have distinctive textures, and just giving them different models of 2 existing ship variants seems pointless and a change for the sake of change. i.e. 3 versions of Hurricane. We really need that? I'd personally rather have things as they are and wait another 1-2 years for completely new models, than have this half-baked compromise solution.
There are 3 model drakes too, or how about the brutix? hmm, or how about...well you get what I'm saying.
Love this idea for the model changes as it needed it but it's still bland to say the least. The split weapon platforms for the wrong ship chassis had me steer clear but i'm pretty happy they are at least doing this. Gives me a reason to train up for Gallente now... (btw, i think the brutix is ugly as....yeah..meh..)
LOVE YOU ALL! |
Maya Sazas
ASDF - the corporation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 20:51:00 -
[256] - Quote
I can-¦t get behind this at all. These ships reputations and their places in the lore are connected to their current models.
They might not be everyones taste, but that-¦s just what makes them unique even more so. There are 3 main points why i don-¦t think this a good idea:
1) Why would you go for even more models of shiptypes that are already omnipresent in the game? Do we really need another Drake or another Hurricane?
2) The models you want to replace at least the Sleipnir and the Nighthawk with are much more streamlined and tailored to "please the eye". They are also much more boring and uncreative. Models with edges are fine, as long as the overall concept is sound.
3) As far as i get this you are planing to rework the t2 models anyway. So why not just wait until you got those new models ready? Why forcefully change models to completely unrelated ships? To establish continuity for people who did not know the old models?
The only reason i can think of is that you actually already worked on the new models for the Harbi, the Myrm, the Hurri and the Drake....Wait, didn-¦t you just revamp the Drake? Might it be that you can use some of the designs done at that point for the upcoming t2 models? Of course i am just speculating here, but if that was the case it would be a pretty cheap reason to break the lore and leave a sour taste with many of your customers.
Please rethink this. I really can-¦t see how this could be considered "obvious positive". And no, i am not even a fan of how the Ferox/Cyclone/Prophecy looks. But these ships earned their place in Eve history. It-¦s a shame to see ships many people grew accustomed to and have font memories of, be treated like totally exchangeable stuff. Do proper reworks of the models, even if it takes time.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Forsak3n.
344
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:04:00 -
[257] - Quote
Dat Absolution... damn...
Also, my T2 Drake cometh! Free Ripley Weaver! |
Centurax
Eve Engineering Authority Eve Engineering
8
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:26:00 -
[258] - Quote
Nighthawk = Kaalakiota Drake yay!!
Shame I cant really say anything about the 2 turrets, please not on the drake, needs 7 launchers otherwise the aesthetics will be lost |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
783
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:33:00 -
[259] - Quote
Yes, please. Eos, come to daddy.
Dersen will be a decent command ship pilot just about in time for this yummy goodness. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
404
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:36:00 -
[260] - Quote
Not too fond of the Eos change, I don't really like the Myrm. But since I like the Harbinger and also the Claymore, Vulture and, most important, the Damnation are not affected, I will get over it. Eventually . Remove insurance. |
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Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:51:00 -
[261] - Quote
btw: Changing the CS models into tier3 BC's makes much more sense from the lore side as well.
Basically the tier3 BC's are only recently developed designs using their hulls for CS can actually be explained by the companies adapting that design and finding it more suitable for the Command role with the excess power output and whatnot. Then you bind it with the recent rebalance where it were the field command ships that grew quite different to the previous state and bang it all connects into reason.
And not just change for a change into old hulls which already have other variations anyway.
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Kasumi 'Goto
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.03 21:59:00 -
[262] - Quote
I liked the models the way they were before. Its disappointing CCP couldn't have done something else more constructive with there time such as adding new features. |
Leto Atal
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
6
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:06:00 -
[263] - Quote
Siddicus wrote:Leave the Sleipnir alone!
At least give it some kind of variant of the Hurricane model instead of just giving us a *slightly* different Hurricane Fleet Issue. Maybe something like what you all did with the Stabber hulls. Increase the whingy bits on the side so it follows the side of the hull making a V of solar panels and maybe one on the top like a sail or fin. I am not an artist or else I'd have drawn something out for you but don't just give us the same old model with a different cammo.
PS: Give it Zebra stripes!
They aren't solar panels. They are radiators. Minmatar ships are powered by fusion generators that create a lot of heat. The vaccuum of space is a poor conductor of heat, so to dissipate the heat we use large radiator panels. Hence the fins on many of our ships. Minmatar are the only race in EVE to have a propulsion and power generation method based in real world physics. The other races use pixie dust and magic.
+1 for the Zebra stripes. |
Mixu Paatelainen
Stay Frosty.
52
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:25:00 -
[264] - Quote
Please please don't do this :( |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4154
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:34:00 -
[265] - Quote
Don't panic, folks, the names aren't changing!
CCP Fozzie wrote:The plan is:
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane All this means is that e.g.: the Absolution is going to become a Harbinger model with Carthum Conglomerate colours.
They're not changing the names, relax! You can put down that pitchfork and douse your torches!
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Yunaki Tenzomura
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 22:54:00 -
[266] - Quote
how bout give them a very significant look rather than keep the same graphics crap over and over and over again... because now you are matching them with factional npc corporations wouldnt it make more sense to just give them a more unique look outside of the usual hulls and give them a total make over with alot of feel leaning to those said npc corporations rather than the same hull with a different paint job?
Is CCP so intent on using the same models over and over and over again that you mention you have an art department who does what? add a second or third flare to an already existing model? maybe add a turret slot platform on a ship somewhere to make it different?
Give your subscribers something different? not just simply changing it to a different hull. most players start off looking at all the ships they dream to one day fly. dreaming to fly another myrmidon, hurricane, drake, or harbinger doesnt give them much to look forward to.
Also, Paint job like Space Camo doesnt make sense. please put on something that does. unless there is a space jungle that we can hide in that no one in EVE was made aware of? |
maCH'EttE
Mafia Redux Phobia.
76
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Posted - 2013.10.03 23:08:00 -
[267] - Quote
These ships are hideous, especially the harbi one. Use the same designer that did the upcoming sisters ships, or the same kind of look and feel. |
Faye Nahkriin
Astral Wings
0
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Posted - 2013.10.03 23:51:00 -
[268] - Quote
I really really love these changes. And are so looking forward to Rubicon now! |
Ace Chet-Chaz Fancyslacks
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:33:00 -
[269] - Quote
Lucine Delacourt wrote:Should have switched them the other way around.
Amarr - Laser Chicken & Missile Harb Caldari - Blaster Drake & Missile Ferox Minny - MissileCane & Auto Cyclone Gal - Blaster Myrm and Drone Brutix
Doesn't ruin the Sleip/NH/Abso models and allows each hull to be used in different ways. With the Prophecy change and this we now have 0 Laser Chickens... who wants to live in a world with no Laser Chickens?!?!?
+1
If not new models then this works better for me than the proposed change. |
Naava Edios
404 File Not Found Outlaw Horizon.
10
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Posted - 2013.10.04 00:34:00 -
[270] - Quote
I'm sorry cant we just keep the Nighthawk as the Ferox hull. That drake looks ugly as *Insert what ever word or phrase of hate to Drake here*
Unless you plan on Fixing the model again to fit the 5 Launchers it has.... keep the Ferox.... Drake already has enough love "Navy Drake" they don't need any more love.
Much drake hate flows within me......
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Dark Nephilium
Quiet.Storm Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2013.10.04 01:07:00 -
[271] - Quote
As someone who actually flies ALL the command ships the hull changes are just plain stupid. Essentially all you are doing is giving us another drake, another myrm, another harby, and another cane.......why? The current command ship hulls work perfectly well and there is no reason to make changes for the sake of making changes. This is just stupid for the sake of being stupid IMO. |
Neok1337
20th Legion
1
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:12:00 -
[272] - Quote
yes yes yes and yes
give me a t2 drake hull allready
and while we are on the subject hurry up with the other 3...
tho tbf does make sence that the combat command ships be the t2 variants of the "dps" hulls... I use the term dps very loosely around the drake lol xD |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
914
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Posted - 2013.10.04 03:38:00 -
[273] - Quote
Rab See wrote:Yes - as someone said - the Sleip is iconic ... but its also the missile boat (coming from the recently missileified Cyclone).
Would be nice to have a 'black cane' for the Claymore, but it would be odd continuity wise. Maybe a black cane for Sleip - Hotblack Desatio and Islington all over.
Who cares about continuity, if every ship that has a hurricane hull in the game has autocannons, and i like the hurricane but dont like autocannons, i would use the hull that is bonused to missiles that looks like the hurricane. Oh wait, thats nothing after this change. Same goes for the ferox hull. People used it just because it didnt look like a drake. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
350
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Posted - 2013.10.04 04:57:00 -
[274] - Quote
the myrm hull on the eos is pretty sexy looking... the rest, I just don't know about.
the sleipnir is just such a t2 cyclone, it doesn't make any sense as a hurricane boo boo boo! You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Meyr
SiN Corp
50
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:09:00 -
[275] - Quote
+1!!!!!!!!!! |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
131
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Posted - 2013.10.04 05:46:00 -
[276] - Quote
I think the existing ships look better in every case, mostly because the current models look beefier than these models. Which works well for a T2 command ship. Also, we see enough of the drake/hurricane/myrm hulls already. |
Carniflex
StarHunt The Explicit Alliance
93
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:22:00 -
[277] - Quote
Will this mean that if once would decide to invent a Nighthawk (I know its not economically sensible to invent command ships atm bcos BPO's meeting bulk of the demand) would one need to use a Drake BPC instead of Ferox - or will the change be purely cosmetic and one would be still using Ferox BPC to invent a Drake based T2 hull ? Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Katmande
Northern Lights Outfitters
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:45:00 -
[278] - Quote
NO please. I bought a cyclone Blue Print because it was used for both command ships. If you change it you have reduced the value of my Blue Print for a purely cosmetic reason.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1222
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:47:00 -
[279] - Quote
Soon on a Sisi test server near you. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
47
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Posted - 2013.10.04 06:49:00 -
[280] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Don't panic, folks, the names aren't changing! CCP Fozzie wrote:The plan is:
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane All this means is that e.g.: the Absolution is going to become a Harbinger model with Carthum Conglomerate colours. They're not changing the names, relax! You can put down that pitchfork and douse your torches!
You cannot because the Harbinger and Drake model are crap and design-wise utterly inferior to the Prophecy and Ferox model.
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Shamus en Divalone
Dip Dip Potatoe Chip
3
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Posted - 2013.10.04 07:21:00 -
[281] - Quote
If there is a new model for command ships then maybe you should wait to change them, tho I have always believed there should be a 2 models.
I'll carry on training to a command ship when the skills don't require me to train all the Link skills when I will only ever use 2 on a command ship. |
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
149
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Posted - 2013.10.04 09:06:00 -
[282] - Quote
Asbo, Hell yes. Myrm, oh yeaaaa. NIghthawk.... I kinda liked the Ferox with that paint job. I'll miss the Sleipnir :(
I'd rather new models, but if this change does go through, can we consider adding some extra bits to the models? Similar to how the HACs have extra boosters and such? The proposed Sleipnir model looks quite bland imo. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
248
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Posted - 2013.10.04 09:46:00 -
[283] - Quote
Eos looks great, it's just a shame the CreoDron colours are so dull compared to the others. Abso looks good too. "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom." |
alexi turov
Neutronium Alchemist's
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:00:00 -
[284] - Quote
Already swapped my space chicken for an Astarte based on the hull change. To be honest, Absolution and Sleipnir models shouldn't be changed just for the sake of changing them.
Also; why does everything Minmatar have to be painted to look like a stick (or mossy stick, navy issue?) Some WWII Invasion stripes, battle markings or something bold just to break up the browny, brown camo. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
37
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:01:00 -
[285] - Quote
MisterNick wrote:Eos looks great, it's just a shame the CreoDron colours are so dull compared to the others. Abso looks good too.
No it doesn't. Red & gold looks good on Prophecy hull but not so much on Harbi. Besides Harbi hull is kinda strange looking (someone motioned helicopter without rotor...). I want new models. Besides what is the rationale behind this change? Like seriously...? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
544
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:07:00 -
[286] - Quote
The sleipnir painting is HORRIBLE.
IAnd the hurricane does nto look like a ship with huge shield boostign bonus.
But i think its fair because now the nerfed sleipnir (because it was nerfed proportionally to other CS ) will be on same hull as the overnerfed hurricane (that went from most used BC to I never see any around since others are better on everything) |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
113
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:17:00 -
[287] - Quote
well...
i dont know guys, i always feel bad when i post like this... but don't you have anything better to do. Freshly painted models of ships we know since years... erm, ok.
why not invest that time in ... maybe... POS, yay! that would be a great idea, wouldnt it. I could imagine something like.... access lists... where... i could... just put character names in... just .. like .... in a ..... chat channel access list... nah... maybe not.... that sounds too easy... alrighty... freshly painted ship models then... cowl...
Regards Gal |
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
47
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:24:00 -
[288] - Quote
So'Cari wrote:The models are perfectly fine and whilst it's a shame to lose the iconic Sleipnir it's nothing game breaking.
That being said this is yet another case of having the wrong development priorities. New models aren't contributing to the illusive 'long term vision' (which increasingly sounds like a poor excuse for the complete lack of meaningful short-term development), they don't fit the model of 'themed expansions' and it goes without saying that they contribute nothing in the way of new gameplay options.
I would much prefer future dev time to be spent on balance (great work so far with ships), quality of life improvements and new gameplay features (silly mini-games need not apply). Of course, and then we'd have graphical artists making balance changes. Let's all focus in this! |
Galmas
United System's Commonwealth
113
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Posted - 2013.10.04 11:27:00 -
[289] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:So'Cari wrote:The models are perfectly fine and whilst it's a shame to lose the iconic Sleipnir it's nothing game breaking.
That being said this is yet another case of having the wrong development priorities. New models aren't contributing to the illusive 'long term vision' (which increasingly sounds like a poor excuse for the complete lack of meaningful short-term development), they don't fit the model of 'themed expansions' and it goes without saying that they contribute nothing in the way of new gameplay options.
I would much prefer future dev time to be spent on balance (great work so far with ships), quality of life improvements and new gameplay features (silly mini-games need not apply). Of course, and then we'd have graphical artists making balance changes. Let's all focus in this!
well release some graphics artis, hire some game designers... or software developers... maybe?!
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Lina Theist
Rosendal Research and Development
16
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:00:00 -
[290] - Quote
[Want to trade] Nighthawk for Vulture
Perhaps it makes sense, but I do not like it. No sir |
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GREYBOBSASS
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.10.04 12:26:00 -
[291] - Quote
The sleip and drake are disgusting, You ****** up my EOS abso doesnt look like it should (not bulky enuff) |
Rothwald
Inglourious Squirrels
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 13:12:00 -
[292] - Quote
My poor Sleipnir...don't do that. That simple paintjob is not badass enough, it's just a spotted Hurricane.
Make the Hurricane black with blue lights, like the Claymore, i think i could settle with that.
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thoth rothschild
Aliastra Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.10.04 13:41:00 -
[293] - Quote
I'm very mixed.
Eos = great sleipnir = ok absolution = no nighthawk = DON'T
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Kirith Kodachi
Aideron Robotics
15
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Posted - 2013.10.04 13:45:00 -
[294] - Quote
Absolutely, do this, please.
DO IT NOW! |
So'Cari
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:00:00 -
[295] - Quote
Katabrok First wrote:Of course, and then we'd have graphical artists making balance changes. Let's all focus in this! Balance changes are all crowd-sourced from F&I and/or "famous PvPers" anyway .
Seriously though, I'm just making the point that - as with Incarna and walking in stations - there can be changes which are perfectly fine per se but aren't the best changes which could have been made. I think that's useful player feedback.
[Suppose you gave me a list of 100 possible changes. If all I do is sort them into 'like' and 'dislike' it will be pretty hard for you to decide which 10 or so to work on. But if I rank them 1 - 100 it's very easy to decide what to work on. So comparative feedback is useful.]
How CCP choose to treat that feeback, how they balance it with their own ideas on what changes to make, how they distribute their budget and who they hire and fire is all important but not really something many of us can have an informed opinion on.
Also I don't like the new Sleipnir (+1 for a mocked-up Claymore version if that's possible) |
Wes Vyvorant
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:20:00 -
[296] - Quote
WTS cyclone BPO. Don't think i'll bother with a huricane BPO. Some bored little brat at CCP might think of a new model next year. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
78
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Posted - 2013.10.04 14:38:00 -
[297] - Quote
thoth rothschild wrote:I'm very mixed.
Eos = great sleipnir = ok absolution = no nighthawk = DON'T
Eos = great sleipnir = NO!!!! absolution = cool nighthawk = NO!!! |
Ariesen Serenity
SRE Brotherhood
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:14:00 -
[298] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Besides, CCP has no excuses for not introducing new models. Not only do they give us new ships with Rubicon, they (haux or not) also have plans to change other models. And they don't even have to create them themselves (lazy bums). I hope, I don't have to remember CCP of their Create A Starship contest from a couple of years ago? In case I have to: use the Stahlvogel, Evangelos, Precursor and Demora or just scroll through the tons of awesome designs there.
Thank you for linking those. They are beautiful, and would be awesome to fly! I think it would create a huge demand for these C-ships though. Before changing the hulls to those, I think 4 more would need to be chosen for the other C-ships. So to lessen the demand...just use the tier 3 until such time as you can change all 8 C-ships.
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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
557
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Posted - 2013.10.04 15:22:00 -
[299] - Quote
Fozzie, Any chance of getting some "unique" flare to these ships as well? As an example, kronos bridge is different than other megathron models. Can we expect to see small model variations like this for commands and other t2s in the future? |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
50
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Posted - 2013.10.04 16:50:00 -
[300] - Quote
I have no position on the Absolution, Eos, & Nighthawk ship models as I probably won't fly them. As for the Sleipnir I am definitely NOT in favour of changing its model into a Hurricane. How adding a third type of Hurricane into the game in addition to the standard and fleet ones is beyond me. It would not in any way add 'variety' in terms of ship models to the game.
Your comments in the OP suggest that you are not necessarily in favour of desecrating the Sleipnir model so I'm not sure why you are pushing for this idea. Maybe the art department have run out of work to do?
I think CCP's guiding rule should be to fix things that are broken first. The Sleipnir is an iconic ship model rivalling the Rifter and should not be touched again. Making some of the Minmatar ships almost black in colour was enough damage to our ships. Please don't take the Sleipnir away from us.
We all know things that are genuinely broken in the game *glances at Corp Roles & Permissions* so please consider fixing genuinely broken parts of the game first before wrecking unbroken parts on a whim. |
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SaltyandSweet
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
51
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:05:00 -
[301] - Quote
omfg please dont change the abso, it looks amazing. If anything change the damnation since it looks like ****. Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE! |
Dredge Durst
Kiith Tremor
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:08:00 -
[302] - Quote
Why the heck should we play in hulls we got sick of? 1 year of drake just to sit in a... drake the ferox hull atleast was new to missile users, and the myrmidon ? well.. maybe if they fix that horrible low polly tubes on the front -.-.
And srysly... there were sooo many awesome designs on the last deviant art contest.. just apply something fresh and menacing.
You can literally see the nervs of every eve player trobbing on their forhead in anticipation when they seen the new SOE ships.. just DOEEEET ! |
Juh Stice
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:26:00 -
[303] - Quote
No more motherfucking CAMO skin for matar please .... |
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
557
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:31:00 -
[304] - Quote
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:How adding a third type of Hurricane into the game in addition to the standard and fleet ones is beyond me. It would not in any way add 'variety' in terms of ship models to the game.
Well atm there are 3 cyclone models... So it's either 3 cyclones, or 3 cane models. As for "not adding variety" In terms of command ships it sure as **** adds variety. |
Hando Patel
The Notebook Fan Club
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:55:00 -
[305] - Quote
I was looking forward to getting into a Nighthawk so I didn't have to look at the ugly Drake model anymore. Why are you forcing me to choose between good heavy missile dps and looking cool? |
Matthew Charbonneaux
Coalescent Dynamics
0
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Posted - 2013.10.04 17:56:00 -
[306] - Quote
Skins look decent. Sleipnir leaves some to be desired (like a bit of a change from the regular hull, add some sails, make more aggressive appearance. As is with the camo, it looks to close to the Fleet Issue)
Drake doesn't look bad, but again, changing up the model would be better. Granted, Black drake looks better than grey drake.
T2 Myrm looks sweet.
Abso looks decent enough.
Taking these are t2 hulls, it would be awsome to have new designs, based on the t1 varients, but significantly changed (like the SB to frigs), showing there was a rework to make them command ships.
But for now, this will do. +1 |
Jason Redfort
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:07:00 -
[307] - Quote
I dont know what you have in mind with that idea but i think you do it wrong. The t2 drake looks bad and as command ship . Instead using the drake myrm cane harbi as command ships you should use them in a different role atm unknown role. Because its then the 1st time that a tier 3 hull becomes a t2 variant and what next then? The Rohk hull as the widow?
If you really want a different looking command ship design a new one.
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jwingender
Tar Valon Research and Development
5
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Posted - 2013.10.04 18:36:00 -
[308] - Quote
I support this 100% and can't wait for the change. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2013.10.04 20:58:00 -
[309] - Quote
Seriously?!?
Did we really need more Drakes in this game? The Nighthawk at least offered a little variety in hull design for the Caldari missile pilot. Now it is reduced to just another flying space brick.
Oh, but this one has racing stripes!
Um, yeah, the first thought that went through my mind when I saw that shade of red on the hull was. "so now it's all rusted." And that's what it still looks like, a rusted out old shell, not interesting at all.
Either leave the Nighthawk as it is, or come up with something new and interesting. Don't just recycle the most boring missile ship in the game yet again.
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:the more i look at the nighthawk, the more i want you to keep it a ferox hull. the nighthawk was the "drake for people who hated how the drake looks". It's not fair to take this joy away from people.
This.
Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Kane Fenris
NWP
79
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Posted - 2013.10.04 21:19:00 -
[310] - Quote
the only way youll ever get me to like this change is promising me the whole command ships get awesome altered models in a future patch somtime soon.
else ill hate you forever for changeing the sleipnir and the nighthawk |
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
279
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Posted - 2013.10.04 22:25:00 -
[311] - Quote
DO WANT. ALL THE THINGS. |
Riscx
MatrixSphere Fade 2 Black
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:24:00 -
[312] - Quote
I say umm noooo!
Reasons:
- This is not really needed.
- The names good Currently. This not go with the current naming seems of the other command ship counter part!
- This messes with t2 production now.
- Still disgruntled about name changes to the haulers.
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sens1
Conditioned Response
4
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Posted - 2013.10.05 00:51:00 -
[313] - Quote
I don't like these changes. |
Cselle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 01:00:00 -
[314] - Quote
While I approve of mixing things up and adding variety and spice to the game, I unfortunately have a negative opinion on changing both the names and the models of these ships.
models:
interceptors, assault ships, recon cruisers, and command ships all currently follow the same pattern of paired ships with set color schemes. If you change command ships arbitrarily, do you plan to change all of the others too? It doesnt seem very practical to me.
I cant speak for all the races, but it seems like drakes and hurricanes are already very popular models, to the point of overuse. Practically, and unfortunately, the only time you will see a ferox model is as a command ship. I do like variations on the skins, but we just got the Navy Faction versions to play with if we want different skins.
*suggestions*
1: If you REALLY want to mix the pairs up, remember there is another battlecruiser set available that is only being with one skin: naga, talos, oracle, and tornado. why not reskin those? \
2: Do what was done with the stealth bombers, sleek new models based on the old ones.
3: If you really want to make t2 drakes, hurricanes etc. just add a new class of battlecruiser. there is currently only one t2 variation. maybe make marauder-equivalent battlecruisers? or even t3 strategic battlecruisers? do something BIG and CRAZY! These ideas definitely leave you room to make changes, add new art, and still respect the current designs.
Names:
No. Each Empire has nice naming schemes that match their ideologies, history, and personality. The current names are perfect for reflecting that. Throwing out the old names for no good reason, just to add generic faction names seems wrong to me. |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:28:00 -
[315] - Quote
Hurricane + T2 = |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
768
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Posted - 2013.10.05 02:37:00 -
[316] - Quote
Cselle wrote:Names:
No. Each Empire has nice naming schemes that match their ideologies, history, and personality. The current names are perfect for reflecting that. Throwing out the old names for no good reason, just to add generic faction names seems wrong to me. The names aren't changing. The post is identifying the hull and corp whose color scheme is being chosen. |
SOL Ranger
SOL.
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 03:30:00 -
[317] - Quote
Been waiting for this a long time.
The next step is to give all BC/Command Ships large weapon systems. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:07:00 -
[318] - Quote
SOL Ranger wrote:Been waiting for this a long time.
The next step is to give all BC/Command Ships large weapon systems.
No.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. |
SOL Ranger
SOL.
31
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Posted - 2013.10.05 05:16:00 -
[319] - Quote
Aglais wrote: No.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
I must insist. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2013.10.05 06:29:00 -
[320] - Quote
SOL Ranger wrote:Aglais wrote: No.
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
I must insist.
You already have four battlecruisers that use large weapons! They're UTTERLY BROKEN and for the longest time, COMPLETELY PUT HACS OUT OF THE GAME FOR THE MOST PART. |
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Arcin Hamir
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2013.10.05 07:56:00 -
[321] - Quote
Please don't do this to the Nighthawk, the Drake model must be amongst the least immaginative and ugly thing in Eve. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1219
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:41:00 -
[322] - Quote
I agree with matching up the hulls so t1 turret hull -> t2 turret hull and t1 missile hull -> t2 missile hull.
I'm absolutely fine with the invention/manufacturing implications of the proposal.
All is really needed is a commitment to make adapted t2 models rather than basic re-skins, before Christmas would be fine. Start with the Sleip(cane) as this seems to be the most controversial (Hound - Vargur inspired of course!).
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Chonuss
Vetus Inmortales Insidious Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:33:00 -
[323] - Quote
I've been waiting for a T2 Myrmidon since starting out as a Gallente mission runner 4 years ago. |
Xilas Saissore
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:50:00 -
[324] - Quote
*sighs...
Yep... as always CCP has to screw something up in a expansion. There's always 1 thing.. seriously always 1. This takes the cake right here.
dumbest change EVER. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
861
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:40:00 -
[325] - Quote
What's the go with blueprints?
A whole lot of bc bpc now will only be used to make one of the commandship, instead of the other.
I guess there will be a few people buying the other bc bpo and copying them now. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
530
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Posted - 2013.10.05 13:36:00 -
[326] - Quote
Fozzie.. any chance of changing the Vulture to Lai Dai or make ishukone paint scheme much more interesting half grey half light gold is a bit lame? ... pretty please Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Petrov Kreigt
TunDraGon
9
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:35:00 -
[327] - Quote
Eos -> Myrm. That sounds awesome
The rest, not so much.
The new NH is just a black and red dinner tray. It's boring and unimaginative.
The Sleipnir is Iconic, it's the toilet brush of death. Leave it be.
The Abso forever should be known as the angry red turkey.
Just because something has been around for ages, doesn't mean it needs to change. Especially when its things like cosmetics. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Polarized.
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:46:00 -
[328] - Quote
The amarr and caldari ships look great but the gal and min colour scheme doesn't stand out enough.
The art department made some bad decisions when they decided to change the gallente colour scheem. If the old one was still in place, we would have a cool looking white and gold eos but now we just have the same green/blue look of every gallente ship.
+1 |
CW Itovuo
The Executioners
7
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:33:00 -
[329] - Quote
Proposed idea is pointless, I fail to see any benefit.
It reminds me of the fool who decided to change the name of all the missiles. Then rename them. Then change the name to something else. Then rename them because the a proposed new name sounded cooler. Then realize that the name should be what they were originally, and change it back again. All the while, refusing to accept the best solution would be to simply call a thermal missile a..... thermal missile.
Proposed idea is pointless, I fail to see any benefit.
If the art department is trying to justify their existence, they need to work harder. Create something new. Don't repackage/rename something old, that's just plain lazy. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
269
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:48:00 -
[330] - Quote
Very good move. I strongly approve. I'm guessing you will simply switch the models on the T2 BPOs for those ships as well then? |
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Hong Hu
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.10.05 15:56:00 -
[331] - Quote
Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane... Not sure I like (or the Eos or the Nighthawk).
In fact the only one that I 'like' is the revolting, putrid, disgusting, patooey Amarr... (role playing, complete)
Would it kill them to just design a whole new hull? CCP did it for Stealth Bombers.
Hong Hu |
Xilas Saissore
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:42:00 -
[332] - Quote
Hong Hu wrote:Hmmmmm... Sleipnir... Now Slurricane...
Hahahahahhahahhaha Slurricane thats awesome. |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
405
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Posted - 2013.10.05 16:43:00 -
[333] - Quote
I find it greatly amusing how the change that, in the end, is the most minor and meaningless causes the most intensely heated reactions.
Meanwhile, Marauders are being changed to an extent that they barely resemble the ships they are now, and everyone's just like... "Okay", when in fact the Marauder changes are absolutely abysmal, and not a role that I personally think needs to exist right now. |
Udonor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:11:00 -
[334] - Quote
Krissada wrote:While they are being more distinguishable from their fellow command ship it uses up the same ship model as the regular harbinger/navy harbinger and so forth for all the combat battlecruisers, but with a different skin. Why not wait and create an all new design?
Because the concept is that there isn't enough demand yet to justify a hull built from scratch. Plus hulls tend to be built around new types or numbers of weapon systems. So light modern navies you just modify a ship that has enough spare space and fittings to add in command features.
However, CCP departs from that model by adding command features without giving anything up (T1 style) or cramming it in by upgrading most systems technologies (tinier, more fititng generated, etc) and making command ships a T2 variation. The 3rd option (T1 style also) is to add-on extra space and features with kludged on additions to basic hull....in which case you should lose a comparable amount of speed and agility while keeping all other features of the original hull plus the new command features.
Since CCP is not likely to do any of those things given its ship-skills roadmap...I have to agree - time for a new hull all together. totally differnet hull in BC class.
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Zolian
Murderous Impulse
9
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:16:00 -
[335] - Quote
The nighthawk looks far better as it is now. |
Cselle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2013.10.05 17:31:00 -
[336] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Cselle wrote:Names:
No. Each Empire has nice naming schemes that match their ideologies, history, and personality. The current names are perfect for reflecting that. Throwing out the old names for no good reason, just to add generic faction names seems wrong to me. The names aren't changing. The post is identifying the hull and corp whose color scheme is being chosen.
I see, that makes more sense. but my opinions on the hull changes still stand. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:43:00 -
[337] - Quote
Welp: I meant to post this in this thread, but posted in the previous linked thread instead:
Quote:I think this is pretty cool, although I'd almost be tempted to make the Sleipnir the Cyclone hull and the Claymore the Hurricane hull, just because I think a blacked-out Hurricane would look wicked cool. The Cyclone in Boundless camo always looked just fine to me, but I think the Cyclone in Core Complexion black looks flat and dated / boring for some reason. Just a personal thing. I guess a real solution would be to update the Cyclone model, which is really showing its age. That's a whole different story, though.
All in all, a cool and positive change IMHO.
Although:
Harvey James wrote:Fozzie.. any chance of changing the Vulture to Lai Dai or make ishukone paint scheme much more interesting half grey half light gold is a bit lame? ... pretty please
This. A thousand times this. The current Ishukone color scheme is just awful: bring back the old blue-grey camo theme in glorious v3 detail! |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
216
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:48:00 -
[338] - Quote
So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
54
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Posted - 2013.10.05 20:52:00 -
[339] - Quote
I'm Down wrote:So what happens to all the guys who invested in Invention when this all goes down?
Why should CCP care about that? Go eff yourself and buy more stuff. *mindset prediction of CCP Fozzy* |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Disavowed.
10
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Posted - 2013.10.05 22:44:00 -
[340] - Quote
To be honest, the new nighthawk model looks like a women on her period has just straddled the hull and gushed all her red juices upon it. |
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SOL Ranger
SOL.
34
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:00:00 -
[341] - Quote
Aglais wrote: You already have four battlecruisers that use large weapons! They're UTTERLY BROKEN and for the longest time, COMPLETELY PUT HACS OUT OF THE GAME FOR THE MOST PART.
That is a problem with the role and general properties granted to ABC's as well as the high prices of smaller quality/T2 ships, it has nothing to do with ABC's having large weapon systems.
ABC's were created as separate Meta Cruisers when I think CCP was actually looking for the role of a real BC, as in the regular BC's we already had but with large weapon systems instead, that is a Battlecruiser; Currently what we have are Heavy Cruisers(BC's) and some kind of highly mobile artillery(ABC's) and in the case of Talos, a Desteroider?
ABC's should be made into regular BC's with all the benefits and drawbacks that entails, at least most of them to make them feel like BC's of sorts. BC's and Command Ships should be given large weapon systems to correctly reflect their role and further differentiate them from their smaller cousins. That's how I feel about it.
Sorry for going off topic like this. |
Atreides 47
Atreides of Arrakis
13
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Posted - 2013.10.05 23:07:00 -
[342] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:The plan is: Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server. WTF ! http://i.imgur.com/hpYJ8fBh.jpg - what idiot painted camo on basic Hurricane ?? You nuts. Hell, are you damn crazy obsessed with useless camo paint on space ships ? Make it custom model with features like old Vagabond and Sabre. More Minmatar wings or something. Well, Drake is just ugly piece of Kaalakiota now. Long Live the Fighters !
CCP and nerfs - http://i.imgur.com/MejTGfL.jpg |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1466
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:55:00 -
[343] - Quote
I think we should all agree that the current ships look better
I might support the Abso if it was a more heavily plated version of the Harb hull but it looks weak as is.
The sleipnir/nighthawk change is down right sacrilegious, they look excellent as they are. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
179
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Posted - 2013.10.06 01:58:00 -
[344] - Quote
Here are the models if you'd like to see what they'd look like in 3d (You will need a WebGL compatible browser)
Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193 500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs |
Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
3
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:08:00 -
[345] - Quote
Yay for more hull diversity!
Can't wait for these... |
sabastyian
United Nations Space Coalition
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:24:00 -
[346] - Quote
For the love of god, dont change the names.... most of us see the new hauler names and still have to look it up to see what it is. No t2 ship name has the t1 name in its name, why start with the command ships? I like the harbi idea, the cane looks as useless as you made it after your "re balance." The drake looks horrid, i dont know if i will even want to undock my nighthawks after this ( i love the ferox hull for command ships, it just looks better...beefier, it isnt a freaking plate ) and the myrm....looks like a myrm with dust on it.... |
BiggestT
Serenity. CORP. Diggers Inc.
64
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:27:00 -
[347] - Quote
We said it before and will say it agian: BAD IDEA.
A) This thread and the last thread clearly demonstrate a divided opinion on this change (possible even net negative). Either make completely new models or don't bother, because you get no net benefit from this so it's a waste of CCP's time.
B) (often igonored but very important) This will affect industry significantly, now everyone has to change the BPOs that they are researching to pander to these stupid changes.
The drake has and always will be the most uninspired and boring design out there. The harbinger looks too phalical, and the new paint skins on the sleip and eos are just bland as all hell.
DON'T DO IT! |
Deimos Barret
OMGWTFBBQTIME I Know Right
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:45:00 -
[348] - Quote
Heck. I've wanted something T2 on the myrmidon hull for longer than I can remember... so +1.
However,, I'd REALLY prefer a different skin. That one is so imperceptibly different from the T1 skin. Maybe Roden or Aliastra? The EOH labs for those look gorgeous. |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.10.06 07:59:00 -
[349] - Quote
For the most part I really like the new Command Ship models. The Nighthawk especially looks amazing. However the models themselves seem to be identical to the tech-1 models. Many of the tech-2 ships have slightly altered models. More fins, a few extra engines, some spikes.
Adding a few extra engines to the Absolution and the Eos models, some solar-panel-fin-thingies on the Sleipnir, and a few more spikes to the Nighthawk, would models themselves a bit different from the tech-1 ones. Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:02:00 -
[350] - Quote
Aglais wrote:I find it greatly amusing how the change that, in the end, is the most minor and meaningless causes the most intensely heated reactions.
Meanwhile, Marauders are being changed to an extent that they barely resemble the ships they are now, and everyone's just like... "Okay", when in fact the Marauder changes are absolutely abysmal, and not a role that I personally think needs to exist right now.
you call 250+ pages of heated discussion and sugestion how to fix them "everybody is just saying "okay" ????
you sir disqualified yourself....
people love their ship they fly and in im writeing here cause i fell this change upsets alot of people who care about their favorite ships .
ccp said they only would do it if most of the players wanted it.... so why the heck they never made a poll they just interpreted the earlier thread (who had clearly alot of people who disliked the changes) and said: "yeah we like it by oure definition most of you like it so were doing it anyway...." |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 09:50:00 -
[351] - Quote
The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry. |
BiggestT
Serenity. CORP. Diggers Inc.
65
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:07:00 -
[352] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time... |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:25:00 -
[353] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start? |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:27:00 -
[354] - Quote
BiggestT wrote:Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time...
I already did 30 pages of vote-tallying, thank you very much. Keeping track of who's posted multiple times, filtering out unresponsive replies and interpreting vague posts four times to make sure I understand which way they're voting is not something I'm keen on doing a second time. If it's important to you, then you can do it for yourself.
Rivr Luzade wrote: Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?
CCP Fozzie already answered this question. Go back and re-read the OP. Slowly. Start at the very beginning. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:28:00 -
[355] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:The previous thread had a lot of people who disliked the changes, but significantly more people who did like the changes. I remember very distinctly, as I kept a running total on posts in support of and against the changes and updated it every couple of pages. The thread was not hidden and links to it were publicized by people on Twitter, Reddit, YouTube and I'm sure others.
As for "why not full new models" it's probably because Team Trilambda is already busy working on new models for other ships. They have SoE ships to finish up. They have Marauders to finish up. They have every T2 ship in the game to review. Command Ships - all eight of them - will be getting revised models that are better than reskins, just like the Marauders and some AFs have gotten; they just won't get them right this minute because there are bigger fish to fry.
yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes?
this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand.
but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up???
i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane.
if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model)
but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support..... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:33:00 -
[356] - Quote
Kane Fenris wrote:yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes? this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand. but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up??? i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane. if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model) but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support.....
Contrary to what you may believe, no resources were consumed or "wasted" to make this change. These versions of the ships already existed in the game files and until now simply have not been used. Making them look T2 instead of T1 is what will require resources. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
84
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Posted - 2013.10.06 10:48:00 -
[357] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Kane Fenris wrote:yeah if they are so bussy why wasteing resources makeing theese awfull changes? this all started wehn they gave the navy model to the brutig and some people sugested to have the myr model for the eos as balance which i could understand. but why have i as sleipnir nighthawk pilot to suffer from this screw up??? i hate both the hurricane and the drake model they are both undcreative and booring as **** to look at. and on top of that the sleipnir will look just look like a navy hurricane. if they had changed the claymore to hurricane model this would have been way more acceptable cause a hurricane in those dark colors would look ******* awesome and no sleipnir pilots feelings would be hurt. (similar thing could be done to vulture/nighthawk, way less people seem to be attatched to the vulture model) but no wait it is way more important that there are no weapons on a hull whose tech 1 version does not support..... Contrary to what you may believe, no resources were consumed or "wasted" to make this change. These versions of the ships already existed in the game files and until now simply have not been used. Making them look T2 instead of T1 is what will require resources. EDIT: Also, you are not a special snowflake. Why should Sleipnir and Nighthawk pilots who love the proposed changes and hate the current models have to suffer just because you want something the way you want it? Moreover, insisting to make an exception with "not hurting sleipnir pilots' feelings" as its basis is also ridiculous. Sleipnir pilots are not legendary heroes and they are not golden gods and they are certainly not special snowflakes any more than you are. Lose the self-entitled "woe is me, a bloo bloo bloo" and stop taking this personally. Contrary to what you may believe, this change wasn't done to mess with you personally or specifically to mess with sleipnir pilots.
im 110% sure the skins for the ships werent aready made before the original idea after navy ship release.... so there was tim spent on em bay desing team.... yoll need to show a proof saying somethin diffrent.
i refered to "sleipnir pilots" cause they are quite a few and love the ship and design not cause they are something better.... they are just the largest grp of command ship pilots affected by this and probably the most attatched to their ships.
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
55
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:02:00 -
[358] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:BiggestT wrote:Care to do the same for this thread? I have a feeling it may be slightly more skewed to the "dissaprove" side this time... I already did 30 pages of vote-tallying, thank you very much. Keeping track of who's posted multiple times, filtering out unresponsive replies and interpreting vague posts four times to make sure I understand which way they're voting is not something I'm keen on doing a second time. If it's important to you, then you can do it for yourself. Rivr Luzade wrote: Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?
CCP Fozzie already answered this question. Go back and re-read the OP. Slowly. Start at the very beginning.
He answered it in exactly the way it shouldn't be done: hasty, for the sake of making changes, and wasting valuable resources on this kind of unnecessary changes-way of doing it. That's not satisfying.
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Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:10:00 -
[359] - Quote
I was actually quite shocked with the look of them in the beginning but after days i'm starting to warm to those new hulls quite a bit.
I feel bad though as the current ones looked really nice too and after this they would be gone... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
646
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:25:00 -
[360] - Quote
What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it. |
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Lena Lazair
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.10.06 11:48:00 -
[361] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Then how about not giving CS recycled models with Rubi 1.0 but with 1.1 or 1.2? Why has it to be recycling just for the sake of change? Why not wait a bit longer and give them proper new models right from the start?
Because the changes affect industry/production for these ships. This is CCP making sure the idea flies before committing an art team to new models. And since they've already stated that these CS WILL get new models eventually, I think the phased approach is perfectly fine.
Also, I approve of these changes!
And for everyone complaining that the Drake design is boring and uninspired... that's just because you've seen so many of them owing to their previous levels of overwhelming popularity. The Drake is a great looking ship. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
85
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:02:00 -
[362] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it.
they dont whine about the camo they whine about camo on a ship that now has already a camo skin.
your constantly twisting the facts in your favor
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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:33:00 -
[363] - Quote
Lena Lazair wrote:And for everyone complaining that the Drake design is boring and uninspired... that's just because you've seen so many of them owing to their previous levels of overwhelming popularity. The Drake is a great looking ship.
Nope, I've hated it since I first saw it, and that was many years ago. As a Caldari missile pilot, I was really put off having to use it as a stepping stone, and got out of it as soon as I could. It's just so bland and boring! Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Seolfor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2013.10.06 14:42:00 -
[364] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:What really gets me confused about all of this is that the Sleipnir already has the Boundless Creation space-camo, but people are only now starting to whine about it.
Ill break it down slowly for you, then you might not get confused.
Yes, the Sleipnir currently does have a Boundless Creation space-Camo. It however uses the Cyclone hull.
There is another Minmatar Battlecruiser hull, using the Hurricane model, with space-camo - its called Hurricane Fleet Issue.
Now they want to make the Sleipnir into a space-camo hull using the Hurricane base.
So put the HFI and proposed Sleipnir pics next to each other - are you still confused about the 'whines'?
To CCP,
The benchmark is Stabber - Stabber Fleet - Vagabond
Either aim and make the Hurricane - Hurricane Fleet - Sleipnir similarly unique and distinct, or please leave it as is.
We dont want a 30 second photoshop change shade job, thank you. |
Menero Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2013.10.06 16:45:00 -
[365] - Quote
Frankly that hurricane painjob looks far far worse... REALLY?! This was all those artists came up just a military camo?! At least this model looks a lot better then what you current have planned for that cane.
Hurricane Black/Light Blue |
Cselle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 17:25:00 -
[366] - Quote
Menero Orti wrote:Frankly that hurricane painjob looks far far worse... REALLY?! This was all those artists came up just a military camo?! At least this model looks a lot better then what you current have planned for that cane. Hurricane Black/Light Blue
yeah, i do really like the ships with the black with silver trim & blue blinky lights theme. |
Galen Draz
Legion of Fallen Soldiers
4
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:35:00 -
[367] - Quote
just terrible. another fruitcake boat for gallente... brutix hull had some balls but myrmidon... remember to wear a skirt when u fly those |
A Man Divided
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.10.06 18:42:00 -
[368] - Quote
Lazy art direction. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
56
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Posted - 2013.10.06 19:12:00 -
[369] - Quote
post removed |
Bruce Wolf
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
6
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:44:00 -
[370] - Quote
just as a for the record i also would like to vote that the black/silver/blue color scheme for minimatar (such as the broadsword, letto, and jag) is WAAAAAY better looking the the other t2 skin the camo looking one...just my opinion |
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Seolfor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:54:00 -
[371] - Quote
The black with oh so minimal blue lights is already used on the Claymore.
Its a manufacturer thing - Core complexion hulls used to be storm-trooper white camo [not the star wars storm trooper, rather 3rd Reich storm trooper] - but have since become 90% black with minimal blue lights - Current Claymore.
While Thukker Mix used to be Rusting (greenish tinge) Bronze with yellow/red lights - which has since become space khaki camo with Red lights - Current Jaguar, Vagabond.
Then there is Boundless creation - which im now confused about. :) |
Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:15:00 -
[372] - Quote
Drake is the only one that seems ok - but then, I hate the way the harb looks all the time. The myrm just seems pathetic, it's a LITTLE bit greyer... Woopdee doo. Hurricane also seems particularly lazy.
Of the rubicon potential changes though, this is the least likely to change. We are probably stuck with these changes. |
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:34:00 -
[373] - Quote
Why can't we just have the best of the two worlds? I say, keep the current models for both the Sleipnir and Nighthawk, and swap the Absolution and Eos ones.
The Sleipnir and the Nighthawk (to a lesser degree) are icons. They did both have a lot of public exposure for years. Just think about the Sleipnir, it has been everywhere in solo & tournament videos for years.
On the other side of the CS spectrum, I bet 99% of the EVE players have never ever seen an Eos before the change GÇö so no one will mind about the swap and actually everyone will be happy to get a T2 Myrm. https://twitter.com/folkvangrcorp GÇö Freyja's space log. |
vVPhaetonVv
vVHeliosVv
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 05:50:00 -
[374] - Quote
One thing i never understood - why a spaceship should have camouflage painting?! It`s so illogical - there`s no plants or sand or whatever in space that camouflage could be useful for. Couldn`t you PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do something with this paint? At least make it look more "spacey", not like it just from vietnamese jungle or desert storm. It`s just silly. |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:14:00 -
[375] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane How can you change the Sleipnir? The Cyclone model is probably more recognizable as a Sleipnir than it is as a Cyclone! This is just... ugh.
If you have to change something, change the Claymore. No-one cares about the Claymore. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
88
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:20:00 -
[376] - Quote
Freyja Asynjur wrote:Why can't we just have the best of the two worlds? I say, keep the current models for both the Sleipnir and Nighthawk, and swap the Absolution and Eos ones.
The Sleipnir and the Nighthawk (to a lesser degree) are icons. They did both have a lot of public exposure. Just think about the Sleipnir, it has been everywhere in solo & tournament videos for years.
On the other side of the CS spectrum, I bet 99% of the EVE players have never ever seen an Eos before the change GÇö so no one will mind about the swap and actually everyone will be happy to get a T2 Myrm.
yep that would make the most players happy....
but its not consistent (and since ccp has discovered consistensy and think ist a weapon of mass satisfaction...)
another idea would be to simply swap vulture model with nighthawk which would give us a black/gold blaster/rail drake which would be some kind off cool. and sleipnir model with claymore model which would give us a missile shooting black/blue hurricane which would be awesome too....
it would be more consistent but not 100% ... so ccp will not do it i guess...
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Forsak3n.
610
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:46:00 -
[377] - Quote
+1 Been waiting for this for a long time. Along with this update, can we also get the "tier 2" battlecruisers into missions? (also need to fix mission battlecruiser HP and resists, they're far too low)
I feel like the proposed Sleipnir skin looks too much like the Navy Hurricane, and both the Eos and the Sleipnir are a bit hard to tell apart from their tech 1 variant. I like the skins but I am also a strong believer that tech 2 should look distinctly tech 2. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
OTMOROSOK
Black Octopus Infernal Octopus
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:58:00 -
[378] - Quote
Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:
> The plan is: > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane
Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?
Another question is: do You have a lot of money and time to spend and absolutely no ideas? Why do You think that players who pay there own money for playing EVE need to have 3 ships of the same design in each race? Why don't You make all the ships of the same design differing by just very long names? Why don't You spend a bit more time and create some really good looking design for command ships? May be You are lasy?
I wanna tell You that You could be and should be much more creative.
May be You do not know what to do and have a lot of free time to spend on nothing? Well I can tell You what could You do with all that time - create really new design!
May be You are not designers but just coders and Your boss has told You: "We need new looks for those ships! I don't know why but I think we need them. Do it right now or you'd be fired!"? Would You be so kind and tell the name of that guy to us the players who are the clients and that means that we are paying the salary to You but not Your boss.
By the way, in case You are the coder please fix the trouble with bumping in Blocade 4 (Blood raders) (carriers who jump in the mission are bumping at some invisible objects and can not warp out for a minute or 2). Another thing that You (developers) should fix is the bug with local: some players who are pluses are shown as neutrals and we (the players) need to update the local by using some tricks instead of palying EVE.
Best regards, The player. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12836
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:07:00 -
[379] - Quote
OK, gonna post my 2 ISK worth of opinion.
I remember a couple years ago CCP changed the graphics which I believe was V3 overhaul on all the ships and in the process had removed the wings from one of the Minmatar ships. I think it was the Vagabond.
Anyway, those wings were a trademark image and the Playerbase was up in arms so much about it that CCP replaced the wings.
In my opinion the ship progression for trademark image is Stabber - Vagabond - Sleipnir. Now you want to completely ditch the Sleipnir ship image?
Please don't mess with the Sleipnir ship image. It's like an old Viking ship from the great north, striking terror into all those who view it.
Don't you guys have other stuff you can work on, such as modular POS, ring mining, agent missions, etc. How about working on some Rogue Drone loot?
DMC |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:09:00 -
[380] - Quote
OTMOROSOK wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:
> The plan is: > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane
Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?
.. .. ..
The player.
As mentioned a lot of times already, they are not changing the names. They only said which skin/model that ship will become... Names are safe...
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Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
40
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:18:00 -
[381] - Quote
OTMOROSOK wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:
Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?
Man you shoud learn to read more cerrfully before you rage... they are not changing the names. Thy are changing colors. Names posted by CCP Fozzie relate to hull+color of the hull not the actuall name of the ship. |
Luwc
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:23:00 -
[382] - Quote
a horrible waste of time.
you guys should read the EN24 replies. http://evenews24.com/2013/10/0%203/dev-post-rubicon-command-ship-models/ |
Kane Fenris
NWP
90
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:23:00 -
[383] - Quote
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:OTMOROSOK wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:
> The plan is: > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane
Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?
.. .. ..
The player. As mentioned a lot of times already, they are not changing the names. They only said which skin/model that ship will become... Names are safe...
you did not understand him
one part of the reasoning for the change was that now models and progression should be optically possible. he was sarcastic, by saying people would actually identify ships like that when the use overview and names .....
so basically the main "gameplay" reasoning for this change is bull**** |
Kane Fenris
NWP
90
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:25:00 -
[384] - Quote
totally support devs read the comments +1
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vVPhaetonVv
vVHeliosVv
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:31:00 -
[385] - Quote
Agreed with OTMOROSOK. Why just change one hull to another? It doesn`t make any sense. Why don`t create 4 brand new models? Its not so difficult and expensive, i know it for sure, as i am gamedev too. And remove stupid camouflage please! |
Liafcipe9000
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
11296
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:51:00 -
[386] - Quote
Pellit1 wrote:While I think the Eos looks awesome, the Sleipnir and Abso are iconic, and the Nighthawk looks sexy as hell as it is. Would prefer the Vulture to become the drake hull if anything New Sleip just looks like a Fleet Hurricane
perhaps a new paint coat for Boundless Creation ships? I REALLY loved the old black wolf with the red lighting and strips on it. I think Boundless Creation should go back to dark red paint jobs again.
bloody red tiger Hurricane. **** YEAH!! This space for rent.
Can we pretend that the hurricanes that I fly are like avatars? |
beakerax
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.10.07 08:40:00 -
[387] - Quote
Another thought for you, Fozzie, should you read this:
I've read through the thread and a lot of the objections seem to be against the changes to the Sleipnir and the Nighthawk specifically, as both ships are iconic of Eve Online. The Sleipnir especially, given its ubiquitous use in recent Aliiance Tournaments.
Likewise, the Hurricane and the Drake are possibly the two most overused ships in the history of this game. Both ships are so instantly recognizable that, from a promotional standpoint, they are far more characteristic of Eve than any other command ship or battlecruiser could hope to be.
You are proposing to take these legendary, distinctive ships, and make them look like each other.
I don't want new models. I like the ones we have already. But if you had posted images of completely new command ship models in the OP, this plan of yours would seem lessGǪ distasteful. |
Fel'ina Twilight
Tesseract Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:03:00 -
[388] - Quote
- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat) - Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin - Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.
Everyone happy now?
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Leto Atal
LoneStar Industries Comatose Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:37:00 -
[389] - Quote
Fel'ina Twilight wrote:- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat) - Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin - Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.
Everyone happy now?
Edit: the 'Claymore' is a sword and the Hurricane looks like a sword a bit. So it makes sense actually.
I'd be happier if the Cyclone were not changed to a missile boat in the first place. If they want to include missiles as an option on Minmatar ships I'd prefer to see more split weapon system designs like the old Typhoon or the new Typhoon Navy Issue.
If the Hurricane were changed to a missile boat there would be outrage, probably more so than the CCP proposed Sleipnir changes here.
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Kane Fenris
NWP
90
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:42:00 -
[390] - Quote
Leto Atal wrote:Fel'ina Twilight wrote:- Switch Hurricane and Cyclone roles (change the Hurricane to a missile boat, change the Cyclone to a gun-boat) - Sleipnir can stay as now and have the crap cyclone skin - Change the Claymore to have the Hurricane skin.
Everyone happy now?
Edit: the 'Claymore' is a sword and the Hurricane looks like a sword a bit. So it makes sense actually. I'd be happier if the Cyclone were not changed to a missile boat in the first place. If they want to include missiles as an option on Minmatar ships I'd prefer to see more split weapon system designs like the old Typhoon or the new Typhoon Navy Issue. If the Hurricane were changed to a missile boat there would be outrage, probably more so than the CCP proposed Sleipnir changes here.
i dont like the graphics changes proposed here but i have to say the missile changes made the cyclone an ******* awesome ship.
if you doubt the cyclones pvp capabilities you clearly have no clue what your talking about (split weapons suck in pvp typhoon fleet has monster dps on paper but in pvp ill take a typhoon non fleet) |
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
202
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:53:00 -
[391] - Quote
I still maintain that these are very, very bad changes.
After some time to reflect I see the obvious problem is the Myrmidon; a hull which deserves more use. It is the only combat battlecruiser hull without any variants, for whatever reason. It needs a variant, of course. The opportunity that was spurned with the introduction of Navy battlecruisers now comes back to haunt. Why Navy Canes, Bingers & Drakes (previous tier 2 hulls) were released alongside the Navy Brutix (previous tier 1), an already overused hull is beyond mortal comprehension. The Navy battlecruiser should have been the Myrm and the decision to do otherwise was very poor.
What we have here is an apparently lazy, hamfisted attempt to fix the problem; sh*tting over the remaining hulls in the process. Stupid. You're essentially replacing the Myrmidon at the underused table with the Ferox, Cyclone and Prophecy.
I reiterate from my previous post. Loldrake, another Cane? Do not want. |
Fel'ina Twilight
Tesseract Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 12:09:00 -
[392] - Quote
On second thought,
yeah, changing the Hurricane is a bad idea. just give the Hurricane skin to the Claymore.
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Tal'aaq
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:28:00 -
[393] - Quote
it's a shame the sleipnir will lose its striking visual correlation to its namesake: the 8-panel array of the Cyclone hull. the Hurricane has the 8 flippers, but they're mismatched and small |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7769
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Posted - 2013.10.07 14:39:00 -
[394] - Quote
Hey everyone, I'm back from vacation and now fully caught up on this thread. Thanks for the feedback so far.
The proposed models will be working on Sisi when it updates later today so you guys can see them ingame for yourselves.
Quick point that I saw come up a few times, this change does not affect the names of the ships, they'll still be called the Absolution, Sleipnir, Eos and Nighthawk.
Weaselior wrote:This owns, thanks.
Are there any manufacturing changes besides just swapping the BPC you need to use to invent and the base ship needed? Nope, those are the only two changes to the manufacturing process for these ships we have planned.
I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Kane Fenris
NWP
91
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:19:00 -
[395] - Quote
when i read fozzie's post i come to the conclusion the chance that any changes are made is the one of hell freezing over in summer |
Alyssia Benar
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:28:00 -
[396] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so? Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed).
I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1339
|
Posted - 2013.10.07 15:47:00 -
[397] - Quote
Alyssia Benar wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. But why are you guys planning to change it if there is no need to do so? Nobody was ever complaining about the CS models (atleast i had never noticed). I'm already missing my Sleipnir cause the Cyclone model feels so fitting.
how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Alyssia Benar
Cult of the Fluffy Bunny Cave of Caerbannog
21
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:52:00 -
[398] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models. Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1339
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Posted - 2013.10.07 15:55:00 -
[399] - Quote
Alyssia Benar wrote:MeBiatch wrote:how did you come to the conclusion of nobody wanted the change?
cuss i sure do... Like i said i had never noticed anyone complaining about the command ship models. Now as they intreduced the changes alot of ppl find them very nice looking but there wasn't a massive shitstorm about ppl crying for new command ship models before.
true enough but there were some like me who did raise the idea over the years.
its like when they changed the covert ops model.... back in the day both EAS and covert ops had the same model... then they changed it and now the old covert ops is now the EAS.
i am still lobying for the ishkur to look like a tech II tristan... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
24
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:10:00 -
[400] - Quote
I'm sorry to say, it:s not a good idea. I like the hulls that are used now. I don't want to see 3 times the same hull (normal, navy and planned the t2).
It makes no sense for me, there are other things, that need really love, but this is working as it should be. (2 times the hulls and not 3 vs 1). |
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TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
2
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:13:00 -
[401] - Quote
who has since, crap again thought of that? you give the ships a new design, for what? you just exchanged the cases known ships ships known to others! what is it now, now be so great? you go about the ideas, for new ship designs from? or why are you doing the crap, because you have no buck, finally attack the right subjects, are already long on the list?? I am totally disappointed by YOU CCP. This crap anyway you can save you, or if you have it then makes at least, really, with all new hulls!!
TFK |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
11
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Posted - 2013.10.07 16:41:00 -
[402] - Quote
TFK Killermaster wrote:who has since, crap again thought of that? you give the ships a new design, for what? you just exchanged the cases known ships ships known to others! what is it now, now be so great? you go about the ideas, for new ship designs from? or why are you doing the crap, because you have no buck, finally attack the right subjects, are already long on the list?? I am totally disappointed by YOU CCP. This crap anyway you can save you, or if you have it then makes at least, really, with all new hulls!!
TFK
What? |
Invictor
Brutal Retribution
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:11:00 -
[403] - Quote
Dev time spent on changes that are not needed.
AGAIN.
A big backlog of stuff that has been broken for years. The only thing that needs changing is your approach to your customers
CCP - you are a joke |
NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
13
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:12:00 -
[404] - Quote
NOOOOOOOOOO I love the ships the way they are. I think the ships have their own unique character with the tier 1 models. It gives them a unique style and class that only comes with command ships.
If anything please make their own models if you want to move away from the tier one models. I think the tier 2 models look horrible for a t2 version. They're so overused, i don't want a black and red drake, i don't want a drake period honestly. Keep the uniqueness of these ships away from the overused battle-cruisers. Please keep these ships rarity and uniqueness alive. |
Yaturi
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:16:00 -
[405] - Quote
What is wrong with you guys. Its a freaking database ID swap. What TIME are you guys whining about?
Using the same ship model for the command ships is redundant and boring. Go through with the changes Fozzie.
such nerdism itt |
Slykar
Weltenschmiede
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:32:00 -
[406] - Quote
Harbinger new Abso???? ugly UGLY!!!
empty |
NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:40:00 -
[407] - Quote
I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't. |
Slykar
Weltenschmiede
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 17:49:00 -
[408] - Quote
why CCP dont add both design to the game and we can build both types ? everyone will be happy
Rule 1: dont touch a running system ! empty |
Madnews
Gangbang-Gang Alpha Volley Union
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:00:00 -
[409] - Quote
Pleas do not Changes the Models. I love my Absolution Please Please let desing as it is. |
Daggaroth
Interstellar Waffle Conglomerate Waffle Batter Trade Consortium
7
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:45:00 -
[410] - Quote
I had to logon from work to say:
Please do not change the looks of the current command ships.
The Nighthawk is currently using the Ferox hull. In my opinion one of the most deadly and down right iconic looking hulls in the game. Missiles coming off the nighthawk look incredible and if switched to the drake hull, you would just have a reskinned drake that shoots more powerful missiles and not something new when upgrading from Drake to Nighthawk.
The Absolution, kinda looks like a bloated eagle, and quite honestly I wouldn't mind the skin changing but if I am going to defend one I should probably defend them all.
The Sleipnir is so darn warrior like compared to the hurricane, it looks like you could physically click it up and club someone over the head. If switched to the hurricane, that big deadly space train / space club would disappear into
The Eos, I have never flown so I can't really defend it, but I think the big brutix nose suits a command ship look and presence a bit more then the Myrm.
If I had to defend just one, it would be the Sleipnir, and if I had to defend just two it would be the Sleipnir and the Nighthawk. I am rather conflicted as I think the Absolution and Eos might be improvements but the Sleipnir and Nighthawk would be great detractions from what make those ships look so darn iconic and part of why they are fun to fly.
Anyway this is my feedback and I hope you will read it and take it into consideration when moving forward.
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Irac Ranon
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:46:00 -
[411] - Quote
I really don't like the model change for the Absolution... It's the ship that got me playing EVE. I love the Prophecy, especially in red and gold. It's like a bad joke that you are changing it into an ugly Harbinger just before I'm able to fly it. Isn't there a possibility to keep the old Absolution model? |
jwingender
Tar Valon Research and Development
5
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:51:00 -
[412] - Quote
NFain wrote:I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't.
I fly the Sleipnir and Eos and wholeheartedly support these changes. Blanket statements about other people's opinions are bad m'kay. Try speaking just for yourself in the future.
This change makes complete sense. T2 ships should be based on their T1 hull. I.e. Eos getting the myrmidon hull, etc. Having a drone ship with a Brutix hull is dumb. Missile spewing ship with a Ferox hull, ********.
I just wonder how many nice things we wouldn't have if CCP actually listened to all the "HELL NO!!11!2" doom-and-gloomers. |
Fasturian Icildentirf
T.N.T ORE Industry
14
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:59:00 -
[413] - Quote
This change is logical even if some of the hulls are a little ugly. If it matters I fly the Sleipnir and love the ship, and definitely won't mind it no longer being a space train. I also fly the Absolution and am not thrilled about the change to the Harbinger hull, but the command ships actually matching the hulls of the most similar Tech 1 battlecruisers is something I have been wanting before CCP even said anything.
Q: What does IT humor have in common with a classical star schema?A: They are both highly denormalized.-á |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
41
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:18:00 -
[414] - Quote
Just got back from the Sisi. The Absolution looks like a giant dildo right now. I want my chicken back. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1220
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:31:00 -
[415] - Quote
On Sisi - warming to the sleipnir as a cane but would prefer a fresh model - camo actually looks great! |
NFain
Industry for Tomorrow Incorporated
16
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Posted - 2013.10.07 19:55:00 -
[416] - Quote
jwingender wrote:NFain wrote:I also find it funny that Everyone who actively flies these ships, doesn't want the change. And everyone who doesn't, does.
People who fly it > People who don't. I fly the Sleipnir and Eos and wholeheartedly support these changes. Blanket statements about other people's opinions are bad m'kay. Try speaking just for yourself in the future. This change makes complete sense. T2 ships should be based on their T1 hull. I.e. Eos getting the myrmidon hull, etc. Having a drone ship with a Brutix hull is dumb. Missile spewing ship with a Ferox hull, ********. I just wonder how many nice things we wouldn't have if CCP actually listened to all the "HELL NO!!11!2" doom-and-gloomers.
Why would you want to change some of the most iconic ships in eve to overused hulls we see each and every day? Please keep in mind the character of your ships that the hulls themselves give them. Why do you want another Hurricane fleet issue? The Brutix honestly is such an Iconic hull for the Eos. My fondest memory in eve that made me forever fall in love with Commands was an pre-nerf Green and grey Eos approaching my caracal, blasters blazing and it's ogre II's ripping me apart. It's just not the same with a myrmidon.
Seriously think about the character you're giving these ships. All tier two battle cruisers do is die in a fire each and everyday, they feel and look flimsy. They're overused for each and every task, and they just have this cheap feeling attached to them.
The less used tier 1 battle-cruisers are so much better suited to these ships. Tier 1 Battle-cruisers look and feel tough, even though they aren't, their character is get in there, get the job done, and get out. The hulls tell a story for these ships that the tier 2s just don't. |
Delhaven
Arkhon Industries Solarmark Coalition
18
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Posted - 2013.10.07 22:06:00 -
[417] - Quote
I never did like the way the Brutix looked. On the other hand, the Myrmidon is one of my favourite ships. So to me, it's a no brainer to switch the Eos. |
TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:35:00 -
[418] - Quote
Post 1/2
CCP Fozzie wrote: I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
German
Was soll das ? Bei jedem Patch werden irgendwelche Schiffsh++llen ver+ñndert oder bestehende H++llen, anderen Schiffen zugeordnet. Das ist eine emense Verschwendung von Entwicklungszeit und ISK, die sagt mir mein Gef++hl. Was soll daran positiv sein das ich mich viele Jahre an ein Schiffsdesign gew+¦hnt habe und ihr total lustlos einfach mal die H++llen tauscht. Sorry das h+¦rt sich f++r mich nach 0815 Redesign an und nicht nach Neuentwicklung. Warum werden nicht endlich mal die Sachen angegangen die uns Spielern schon so lange auf den Magen schl+ñgt. Wof++r wurde damals der Schiffsdesignwettbewerb ins Leben gerufen ??? Da gab es so viele tolle Designs die man h+ñtte in Eve Umsetzen k+¦nnen. Ich weis echt nicht was der Unsinn, den ihr da veranstaltet eigentlich soll. Ich weis ja nciht wie lange Eure Creativlosen Schiffdesigner aktuell brauchen um ein neues Schiffsdesign zu entwickeln. Ich f++r mein Teil w++rde sage mit 3D Studio Max ben+¦tige ca. 5 Stunden f++r eine komplett neue Schiffh++lle im Low Poligon Mesh. eventuell noch weitere 5 Stunden f++r ein entsprechendes Skindesign im DDS Format.
Wenn Ihr keine Ideen mehr f++r doppelte Schiffsh++llen habt, dann fragt die Community, Hier gibt es mehr als genug Creative K+¦pfe die gern Ihr eigenes Schiffsdesign in EVE wieder sehen w++rden. Also veranstaltet doch mal wieder einen Wettbewerb in diese Richtung und holt Euch da neue H++llen, f++r die Commandschiffe und andere Schiffe die aktuell in doppelter Form schon total sinnlos existieren. Diese k+¦nnt Ihr ja dann im n+ñchsten Patch so einflie+ƒen lassen sodas viele sich dar++ber freuen werden mal komplett neue Designs zu sehen.
Dinge die endlich mal umgesetzt werden m++ssen!!!
1. BUGS korrigieren !!!!!!!! 2. Posstrukturumbau 3. Corp Rechte System schon ewig ++berf+ñllig !!!! Das alte ist eine Katastrophe..... 4. Walking on Station endlich umsetzen !!! Seit der ersten Ank++ndigung warte ich auch Ergebnisse ....... 5. Ich hab mit CCP Phantom in K+¦ln lang und breit ++ber einige Ideen und bekannten Problemen gesprochen. Ich sehe nicht einen Punkt davon in der Patchliste das sich da irgendwas daran ge+ñndert h+ñtte..... Was ist mit dem Personal Hanga Array, wann wird es endlich mal richtig einsatzf+ñhig sodas man es sinnvoll nutzen kann. Ohne das die Member Ihr Material verlieren wenn es abgebaut wird ? 6. Wo bleibt den mal ein Gegenst++ck zum PHA , z.B. ein Personal Shipmaintaince Array ???? 7. Und was zum geier soll das mit den Zertifikaten ? Das ist sowas von total ++berfl+++ƒig !!!! Ich habe 0 Nutzen davon. Ich kann weder mit Zertis PVP betreiben noch ISK verdienen. Viele sagen das selbe TOTAL +£berfl+++ƒig!!!!! 8. Ihr sagt ihr wollt das Game Anf+ñngerfreundlicher machen ??? Was hat ein Anf+ñnger davon wenn er sieht welche Schiffe er nicht fliegen kann? NICHTS !!! Er muss diese trotzdem Skillen und daf++r haben wir den Markt und den Skillbaum um zu sehen wie weit wir sind. 9. Ich warte immer noch auf Alliance Bookmarks....
Viel ++berfl+++ƒiges Zeug, wo jede Menge Zeit und Geld verschwendet werden, anstatt endlich mal die Baustellen anzugreifen die Ihr schon Jahre lang vor Euch herschiebt und nicht vollendet. Nein mit jedem halben Jahr was verstreicht sieht man wieder neue Baustellen die Ihr Euch selber schafft und nicht finalisiert.
Es mag sein das viele hier anders dar++ber denken, aber viele sehen es auch genauso wie ich, dass Ihr total an der Community vorbei entwickelt! Wof++r fragt Ihr uns eigentlich ++berhaupt noch was wir davon finden. Ihr schaft Euch doch eh nur neue Baustellen und geht nie wirklich auf die Community ein.
Ihr solltet Euch mal langsam am Riemen rei+ƒen und schauen das Eure ganzen Buggy Baustellen finalisiert werden. Denn sonst m++sst Ihr Euch bald keine Sorgen mehr um Anf+ñngerfreundlichkeit machen sondern, wie halten wir unsere langj+ñhrigen Spieler bei der Stange damit diese nicht zu anderen Spielen abwandern......!!!!!! Aber wenn Ihr kein Interesse daran habt den Spielern was sinnvolles zu Pr+ñsentieren dann fahrt Euren Server herunter und entlasst s+ñmtliche Mitarbeiter schlie+ƒt die Firma und beendet dieses Game mit einem Schlag.
Oder denkt mal dar++ber nach, endlich mal Eure Baustellen zu beenden, worauf die Community schon lange wartet !!!!!!!!
Sorry people, but this **** here with me also generated very strong negative feelings. That is why I write the Google translater use in my native language and unfortunately it has |
TFK Killermaster
The Flying Killers Gatekeepers Universe
3
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Posted - 2013.10.07 23:38:00 -
[419] - Quote
Post 2/2
English Version Google Translate sorry Mates, it is a little bit screwy
What is this? For each patch any hulls are changed or assigned to existing cases , other ships . This is a emense waste of development time and ISK , which tells me my feeling . What should be positive because I 'm used to many years of a ship design and totally listless times simply exchanged her sleeves. Sorry that sounds to me like 0815 redesign , not by new development. Why things are not finally tackled the beats us players for so long on the stomach. What time of the ship's design competition was launched ? Since there were so many great designs that could have been reacting in Eve . I know not really what the nonsense you actually held as intended . Yes I know how long your Creativ lots nciht ship designer currently need to develop a new ship design . For my part I would say with 3D Studio Max need about 5 hours for a completely new hull in the low polygon mesh. possibly a further 5 hours for a corresponding skindesign in DDS format.
If you have any more ideas for double hulls , then asks the community , where there is more than enough creative minds who would like to see your own ship design in EVE again . So yet again organized a competition in this direction and bring you as new cases that currently exist for the command ships and other vessels in two ways already totally pointless. This then yes you can incorporate in the next patch so many sodas will rejoice times to see all new designs.
Things that must finally be implemented once !
1 Correct BUGS ! ! ! 2 Pos structure conversion 3 Corp. rights system for ages overdue! ! The old is a disaster ..... 4 Finally realize Walking on station ! Since the first announcement, I also wait Results ....... 5 I 'm with CCP Phantom in Cologne at length talked about some ideas and known issues. I do not see a point of it in the patch list that would have changed anything because it ..... What about the staff Hanga array when it is finally operational sodas right to use it makes sense can . Without the members lose your stuff if it is broken ? 6 Where's the times a counterpart to the PHA , for example a personal Shipmaintaince array? ? 7 And what the vulture 's with the certificates ? This is kind of totally unnecessary ! ! I have 0 benefit. I can not operate with Zertis PVP still earn ISK . Many say the same TOTAL Overgrips ! ! 8 You say you want to make the game beginner friendly ? What does a beginner it when he sees what ships he can not fly? NOTHING ! He shall nevertheless skilling and for this we have the market and the skill tree to to see how far we are . 9 I 'm still waiting for Alliance bookmarks ....
A lot of irrelevant stuff where a lot of time and money are wasted , rather than the construction finally attack pushes your already years ahead of you and not completed. No elapses with each half year which you can see again the new sites you create your own and not finalized.
It may be that many here think differently about it , but many see it as well as I do that your totally developed in the community over! What you ask us really at all what we find it. Your community but you always just new construction sites and never really goes to a community .
You should take time slowly pull the strap so that your whole buggy sites are finalized. Otherwise I need you soon no longer worry about beginner friendly but, as we maintain our long-term players in the rod so that it does not migrate to other games ...... ! ! But if your not interested in the players have something useful to Present, then ride your server down and announced to all employees, the company closes and finishes this game with one blow.
Or think about it times , finally to finish your construction sites , to which the community has been waiting for ! ! !
TFK |
Tragedy
The Creepshow
96
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Posted - 2013.10.08 00:35:00 -
[420] - Quote
Can we please, PLEASE not have anymore space camo? Im stoked for a sleipnir cane. Space camouflage paintjobs are about the worst looking and most ridiculous thing I've seen in a video game in a long time. |
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Atreides 47
Atreides of Arrakis
17
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:46:00 -
[421] - Quote
Tragedy wrote:Can we please, PLEASE not have anymore space camo? Im stoked for a sleipnir cane. Space camouflage paintjobs are about the worst looking and most ridiculous thing I've seen in a video game in a long time.
Invictor wrote:Dev time spent on changes that are not needed. AGAIN. A big backlog of stuff that has been broken for years. The only thing that needs changing is your approach to your customers
Exactly, thats critical points. CCP never listened shitstorm about space camo ? Maybe its time to start one Long Live the Fighters !
CCP and nerfs - http://i.imgur.com/MejTGfL.jpg |
Kaylin Drake
Skykeepers
7
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Posted - 2013.10.08 01:49:00 -
[422] - Quote
I love the Drake. Now I love the Drake even more.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
182
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:20:00 -
[423] - Quote
I had hoped that this had gone away entirely...
Eos: I've owned an Eos for a long while, I held it for years against its unnerfing and the restoration of its chin-waggler. I haven't yet got round to fitting it out since the Oddessy changes and it looks like I might end up selling it with this change. I don't like the Myrm model (despite its verticality), it had novelty power but while the Brutix grew on me the Myrm's shine faded over time.
Nighthawk: The brutal looks of the Ferox replaced by the bland... A black paintjob won't remove the blandness.
Abso: But the Laser Chicken!!!
Sleip: And the machinegun Space-train!!!
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Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
37
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:54:00 -
[424] - Quote
Nice with the Cs getting a graphics overhaul, but they really should give them more body work and not just paint job. But its a good start |
Lord Eremet
The Seatbelts
22
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Posted - 2013.10.08 07:58:00 -
[425] - Quote
Ok, here is my take on this:
Abso: doesn't look like a command ship with a harbinger hull, kinda meh
Eos: not sure
Nighthawk: look! another drake, thats ******* hilarious, but not in a good way.
Sleipnir: another bad change, why take away a good looking ship hull?
So no, I don't like it. Ask your art department to make new models, don't swap models around just to make it look like you doing something good, because it's not. Stick this idea where it belong: in the trash bin. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
15
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Posted - 2013.10.08 08:54:00 -
[426] - Quote
Seems like the discussion is quite pointless....
Fozzie read the thread and is said he's up to date. But then he says the names are gonna stay and BP's are going to switch.
It's "good" to feel ignored like this. Not even mentioning all the ppl who are against the change. What is the point calling all this "proposed models" when that change is done. When I hear "proposal" I would think there is room for discussion. But obviously that is not case here...
GG CCP... |
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
628
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:31:00 -
[427] - Quote
I beg of you, leave my Damnation alone!! I love the current model, always have. ;( There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly |
Bzumka
BAND of MAGNUS
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:32:00 -
[428] - Quote
please NO! especially not the Sleipnir!!! |
Vjorn Angannon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
88
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Posted - 2013.10.08 10:13:00 -
[429] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me. *Snip* I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
Obviously not strong enough!
I *BLEEPING* HATE what you are planning to do to my Sleipnir!!!!!!!
I thought, and still do think, that the rebalancing of the stats were just fine. But changing the model to an over-painted hurricane is unacceptable to me. The Sleipnir, for me, is (or now was) the most amazing ship to fly (or POS/Station spin). Not anymore.
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Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
149
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:02:00 -
[430] - Quote
The former Thread stands over several Months and the reaction was very positiv why the hell are people starting to hate this Change now all of a sudden? |
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Rhnra Pahineh
Organized-Chaos Apocalypse Now.
9
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Posted - 2013.10.08 11:14:00 -
[431] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models. If you're saying that those ships will get special models instead of what is coming, I can assume that this is just a stepping stone. If the new models are permanent, then I'm sorry to say that a paint job an hull swap is not really a "new ship model".
In fact, if the "new" models described in this section are permanent, it makes me very sad. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
91
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:05:00 -
[432] - Quote
Lephia DeGrande wrote:The former Thread stands over several Months and the reaction was very positiv why the hell are people starting to hate this Change now all of a sudden?
cause it never was
[edit] the only feedback that was actually positive was the feedback to the eos change cause they screwed up cause they chose the navy brutix model nearly all people who fly sleip or nighthawk opposed it from the start on. |
Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
100
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Posted - 2013.10.08 12:11:00 -
[433] - Quote
Enough with this tweaking of things that are not broken!
- 1 |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
416
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:02:00 -
[434] - Quote
My input.
I *love* the Absolution-Harbinger. I'm so-so about the Eos looking like a Myrm. The Drake-Nighthawk, erhm.. (I just don't like Drakes) Finally, and this is a BIG slap in the face for me personally.
What have you done to the Sleipnir? :( A Hurricane model? /cry
Why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign?
I'd recommend: Black harbinger aka Damnation. Myrm-Eos Drake-Vulture Cane-Claymore.
Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Rab See
Fool Mental Junket
14
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:11:00 -
[435] - Quote
Logged into Sisi.
Forgot name of my Sleippy.
Spent 3 minutes trying out each of my Canes until I got into the right one. Will rename it 'Sad Panda'. Might try using the little 'II' icon should my naming scheme drift in a sadder direction.
Black Cane - blue highlights ... switch Boundless Creation and Core Complexion paint jobs - make me happier. |
David Kir
Tailender
237
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:26:00 -
[436] - Quote
Please leave the Sleipnir alone.
To me (and many others, I like to think), the Sleipnir "looks like business".
It isn't pretty, it doesn't make you stare at it in awe, it doesn't have to prove anything.
It's lean and mean and it wants your corpse in its cargo. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
7790
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:35:00 -
[437] - Quote
Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls.
There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class.
And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
403
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:47:00 -
[438] - Quote
Wouldn't it be cool if both the models were maintained and you could go choose them in the options?
I could switch back to the superior old megathron and scorpion hulls, and if the nighthawk ever becomes usable (lol 5 mids), I wouldn't have to see more drakes flying about. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
416
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:48:00 -
[439] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls.
There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class. And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while. Fair enough, I'll poke around on SiSi - don't read me wrong, new things are good things, even if it's just reskins.
But one of my statements stands: for the sake of my interwebs sanity and appreciation of the hull and ship's function - please leave the Sleipnir alone.
David Kir wrote:It isn't pretty, it doesn't make you stare at it in awe, it doesn't have to prove anything.
It's lean and mean and it wants your corpse in its cargo. Dem words be true.
Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1267
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:50:00 -
[440] - Quote
Atreides 47 wrote:CCP never listened shitstorm about space camo ?
Naysayers...
Space camo is good
<3 space camo
Space camo best camo.
Indifels, naysayers, bad people I hate you. *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1493
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:56:00 -
[441] - Quote
Lephia DeGrande wrote:The former Thread stands over several Months and the reaction was very positiv why the hell are people starting to hate this Change now all of a sudden?
Because the only people who looked into that thread were people who 1. really really want the change and 2. stay on forums when there aren't changes announced.
These changes being announced brought all the people that fly these ships on a daily basis in here because they don't like it. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
416
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:12:00 -
[442] - Quote
Garviel Tarrant wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:The former Thread stands over several Months and the reaction was very positiv why the hell are people starting to hate this Change now all of a sudden? Because the only people who looked into that thread were people who 1. really really want the change and 2. stay on forums when there aren't changes announced. These changes being announced brought all the people that fly these ships on a daily basis in here because they don't like it. This pretty much.
I love my Commandships. I'm okay with the Abso change, even though I still feel the current one is p damn frickin sweet. Getting used to a Myrm-Eos or Drake-Nighthawk is gonna take a looooong time.
Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Cosmic Ferret
Red Goats
2
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:26:00 -
[443] - Quote
please don't change sleipnir :S |
Sarmatiko
1454
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Posted - 2013.10.08 15:48:00 -
[444] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while. I'm afraid we have situation completely similar to Vagabond frills - most people don't give a damn until stuff hits TQ. And then we will have nice threadnought in GD and drama all over forums and blogs.
We can't know about CCP mid-term plans, maybe Command Ship models revamp already planned and Rubicon changes exist just as temporary substitutes (like old Tempest, Stabber, Paladin etc.). But damage will be done anyway - people won't forgive current Sleipnir change.
-¥ |
SOL Ranger
SOL.
36
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:12:00 -
[445] - Quote
Vjorn Angannon wrote: ... I *BLEEPING* HATE what you are planning to do to my Sleipnir!!!!!!! ...
I love the change, I have been hoping for it since forever and I'm far from alone with that opinion. I know nostalgia is a powerful thing but the change makes sense, given that I do sympathise because I too still enjoy the Sleipnir hull as is, just not as much as I desire the Hurricane hull.
Alternative solution, introduce new Command Ship/'Advanced' Battlecruiser which is more in line with the Hurricane:
Thor Hurricane Class Fire Support Battlecruiser
Minmatar Battlecruiser skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret, Cruise Missile and Heavy Missile damage. 5% bonus to Large Projectile Turret, Cruise and Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher rate of fire.
Advanced Battlecruiser skill bonus per level: 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret optimal range. 10% bonus to Large Projectile Turret falloff
Role Bonus: 95% reduction in the powergrid need of Large Projectile Turrets, Cruise and Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers. 50% reduction in the CPU need of Large Projectile Turrets, Cruise and Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers.
Slot layout: 8 H , 4 M, 6 L, 6 turrets, 4 Launchers Fittings: 1500 PWG, 475 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 4000 / 4100 / 3500 Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 75 / 60 / 40 / 50 Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 90 / 67.5/ 25 / 10 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 2625 / 583s / 4.5 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 165 / 0.704 / 12800000(+300000) / 12.49s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 75km / 220 / 7 Sensor strength: 20 Ladar Signature radius: 240 Cargo capacity: 525
Well, let me dream it at least. |
Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
1
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Posted - 2013.10.08 16:33:00 -
[446] - Quote
Harbinger model as a command ship? Hell no! That idea is bad and you should feel bad! |
David Kir
Tailender
237
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:01:00 -
[447] - Quote
Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:Harbinger model as a command ship? Hell no! That idea is bad and you should feel bad!
Could you at least argue the reasons because of which the Harbinger hull can not be that of a command ship?
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Strata Maslav
Born-2-Kill Against ALL Authorities
65
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:05:00 -
[448] - Quote
Im looking forward to this change. Though I think somewhere down the line these reskins need to be given something a little more distinctive to the model.
I think the hurricane model is one of the most sexy looking ships in the game and I am glad it will be getting a T2 variant.
Strata |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
58
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Posted - 2013.10.08 17:40:00 -
[449] - Quote
So, if these models really must be used...
Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution?
Harbinger Front Flaws
Yes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders?
And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for? |
Mavis O'Day
APOC Technologies
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 18:13:00 -
[450] - Quote
Nightdrake looks cool - for me, as a huge Drake fan. But Absolution... Well, it's not bad, but Prophecy hull looks better as for my taste. |
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Denuo Secus
183
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:27:00 -
[451] - Quote
I prefer the old models. All former tier1 BC hulls are some of the best looking hulls in my opinion. It's sad to see the Absolution not looking like the Absolution - my first command ship I was able to fly
Why don't you keep the T2 hulls for Harb, Drake, Myrm and Cane not for some other, future T2 BCs?
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Btw...since this thread is about command ships and textures...is there any chance the Damnation texture will be fixed? All other Khanid ships look very nice, deep black+silver. Only the Damnation is grey. Compare it to the Sacrilege - a huge difference.
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PS...this thread is still about command ships (Vulture) and textures ^^ ...another question: any plans to change the Ishukone textures (except Rhea)? The Rhea was the last Ishukone ship which was V3ed - and it got a different texture than all other Ishukone ships. A much (much) better one in my humble opinion. It is (1) not consistent and (2) feels wrong to see (literally) cool Caldari space ships in grey-gold. |
Dead-eye Flint
2
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:37:00 -
[452] - Quote
This whole change is one big reason to throw up.
As stated in the previous discussion topic, the change is completely and utterly pointless on top of alienating pilots who like the look of the ships they currently fly.
On a more personal note, after holding on to my Nighthawk for a very long time, always hoping that it might just become competitive or at least useful at some point ,despite receiving nerf after nerf, it is finally time to get rid of it. Having to look at that awful Drake model (I don't care that someone emptied a paint cannister over it, it still looks dreadful) instead of the great Ferox/former Nighthawk design, on top of flying a completely inferior ship is, well, entirely pointless.
WTS 1 Nighthawk. |
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance
162
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:32:00 -
[453] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls.
There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class. And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while.
Excellent, don't change the nighthawk! Go put a full complement of hmlt2 on it and tell me it doesn't look better then the bent pop tart that is a drake? |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
27
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:36:00 -
[454] - Quote
Don't change it! Make a election, but don't do it, because a few guys cries only loud enough... |
Thyralon G'zer
Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:39:00 -
[455] - Quote
Oh noo ... why do you do this to the good old Sleipnir? Crappy hurricane hull?? Why? I loved the Sleipnir being a huge Thrasher - it behaved like that too!
Admittedly I havent flown my Sleipnir since you last "changed" it... now got yet another reason not to do so.
Oh boy ... *sigh* |
Alexhandr Shkarov
The Pleiadians
0
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Posted - 2013.10.08 22:59:00 -
[456] - Quote
I still don't like it that you're switching the Sleipnir hull to a Hurricane. It takes away an iconic Winmatar ship's design. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
418
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Posted - 2013.10.08 23:48:00 -
[457] - Quote
Rees Noturana wrote:They look amazing to me. T2 Myrm and Hurricane? Yes, please. This, yes.
But not as a replacement for the Sleip and Eos. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Sol Mortis
An Heroes
17
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:26:00 -
[458] - Quote
You should trust your gut about the Sleipnir! Keep it a Cyclone Hull!
The Sleipnir has a lot of history, and for many years it was basically The Only cyclone hull you ever actually saw in space.
I hope you will give more thought to making the Claymore a Hurricane hull instead.
Also the navy hurricane looks too much like the SleipCane with the camo paintjobs.
A Hurricane with a shiny Core Complexion paint job would look cool and be unique and keep noobs from being really confused when they watch old alliance tournaments. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
829
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Posted - 2013.10.09 00:45:00 -
[459] - Quote
Ignore haters, these changes are great.
Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
830
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:34:00 -
[460] - Quote
Sol Mortis wrote:You should trust your gut about the Sleipnir! Keep it a Cyclone Hull!
No. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
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Senn Denroth
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
102
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Posted - 2013.10.09 01:58:00 -
[461] - Quote
If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls.
Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
771
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:04:00 -
[462] - Quote
Senn Denroth wrote:If the changes were not just a skin it might make more sense, but if it's just a skin change it really doesn't make sense at all; slots, PG/CPU, attributes will not match up based on their T1 hulls.
Fozie, you are going to cop rage either way you go. I suggest you keep it consistent either way by changing the attributes with the skin etc. The slot counts and fittings don't match as is. Furthermore the weapons are definitively out of sync since both the combat BC and command ship changes, but that is at least being corrected. Also if I can fly an abso again without feeling like I'm flying a fat chicken I'll be happy. |
Aian Genkotsu
Reaper Fleet
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 02:55:00 -
[463] - Quote
This has probably been mentioned in the 20 pages of this post I didn't get through, if so I'll throw my vote behind it.
Aside from whether the base models should be changed, I'd really like to see some kind of unique change to the model to distinguish command ships. I started playing again a few months ago after a 2 year break and the best surprise was the sick new look of my Manticore.
Unfortunately I'm not creative enough to think of a good way to distinguish the command ship hulls. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:45:00 -
[464] - Quote
New Eos does not have wibbly chin, new Eos is fail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o2X5SGF4j4 |
Doctor'X
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.10.09 03:52:00 -
[465] - Quote
New CCP employees trying to make their mark. This really is a weak change.
Looking at the "new" Sleipnir on Sisi now. Boundless Creation paint job is just MEH... didnt look good on the Cyclone hull, looks worse on a hurricane. Flex your imagination muscles, THEN make a change.
R.I.P. ICONIC Sleipnir
P.S. That ship would look great in a desert somewhere. You'd hardly see it at all.
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NFain
Fain Industries
23
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:29:00 -
[466] - Quote
Just seeing this thread still is making me want to throw up. I still don't understand the reasoning behind changing the single most ICONIC ships in eve, not only for what they can do but also for their looks. Please keep them the way they are until they get an official re-skin, if you want combat commands into assault battle cruiser hulls.. make another t2 battle cruiser to fill that roll.
The command ships are beautiful and have been FITTED and MOLDED into the hulls they have now. They don't belong in tier 2 hulls. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
44
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:41:00 -
[467] - Quote
Ok guys we will not agree on this topic as this depends purely on personal taste.
But when I skill like 3-4 months to fly an Absolution and then I clearly like the ship for what it is. This change is like a slap in the face from CCP that sais: you spent few months skilling for a ship you like? Ok so now we will change it to something you don't like.
It's not even that Harbi hull is that bad (who does not like a big, red, space dildo) it's just it is not what I skilled for...
Bringing new models, like with bombers and apoc, would be the best solution, but they would have to be designed by guys who made SoE ships and not the guy who made Golem... |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
419
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:42:00 -
[468] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Ignore haters, these changes are great.
Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. This isnt hate.
I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls. Just dont slap them on Commandships. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Logicycle
Terra Incognita Insidious Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.10.09 05:50:00 -
[469] - Quote
These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance.
I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much.
MOAR SHIPS !!! |
NFain
Fain Industries
23
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:08:00 -
[470] - Quote
Logicycle wrote:These new models should be for entirely new ships. They should go with a new tier 3 inventable Command ship, or an additional version of faction Battlecruisers. Simply slapping a new model on vintage Command Ship attributes is not a change with any substance.
I oppose this skin deep change that doesn't really do much.
MOAR SHIPS !!!
Aesheera wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:Ignore haters, these changes are great.
Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. This isnt hate. I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls. Just dont slap them on Commandships.
Yes please. <3 |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
1090
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:21:00 -
[471] - Quote
Aside from the fact that I don't like the swap of models, why another camo color scheme for Minmatar ships? You understand that forest green camo (aside from being aesthetically questionable) is totally pointless for a starship in space, yes? It seems pretty unimaginative and really doesn't accentuate the Hurricane model, in my opinion.
As a practical matter how are we supposed to quickly differentiate between a Fleet Hurricane and a Sleipnir? Quick visual ship identification can be important.
Reading between the lines of the final sentence of Fozzie's opening post:
CCP Fozzie wrote:...However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive.
it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused. |
Blueprint Seller
The Blueprint Shop
98
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Posted - 2013.10.09 06:33:00 -
[472] - Quote
I think that creating a 3rd command ship for each race using the new models would have been a better choice than swapping the models on the existing command ships.
Is the cost of doing so prohibitive? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
60
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:04:00 -
[473] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:So, if these models really must be used... Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution? Harbinger Front FlawsYes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders? And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for?
waiting for confirmation on theses issues. |
Freyja Asynjur
Folkvangr
23
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Posted - 2013.10.09 07:06:00 -
[474] - Quote
Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
Event the myrmified EOS looks bad.
Do. Not. Want.
https://twitter.com/folkvangrcorp GÇö Freyja's space log. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
46
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Posted - 2013.10.09 08:45:00 -
[475] - Quote
Freyja Asynjur wrote:Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad.
Do. Not. Want.
I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it.
I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it.
I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it.
Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun... |
kazaric
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
0
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:05:00 -
[476] - Quote
Drake Nighthawk? Come on! Don't do this! Ferox Hull is imo one of the most beautiful looking hull in eve, and because of the different weapon bonuses it allows hybrid and missile players alike to enjoy this sexy hull, changing it to drake is not cool! |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
532
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:31:00 -
[477] - Quote
Anabella Rella wrote:it appears that this change is happening regardless of player opinion so, I'm not sure what the point is in asking for feedback. Because only those who dislike this change still give two damns about this thread. It's not like a lot of people were asking for this very change for a long, long time - until CSs will get their unique hulls, that's it. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
17
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:36:00 -
[478] - Quote
Cassius Invictus wrote:Freyja Asynjur wrote:Got an eye on the new hulls on SISI. Result?
NOPE NOPE NOPE.
The hurricane-hull Sleipnir reveals the scale of this travesty. And, actually, even the myrmified Eos looks bad.
Do. Not. Want. I actually like the new Sleipnir very much. But I fully understand people who don't like it. I didn't like the old Sleipnir, so I didn't skill for it. I did like the old Absolution so I did skill for it. Is it that hard to get CCP? Guys this game is not only about stats - it's about fun. And those changes will ruin a lot of peoples fun...
While I do not agree with you about the new Sleip being nice I have to agree on everything else you said. If CCP would release new t2 BC's with those hulls I would be all for it. I would never fly it, but I'll support it big time for it adds more variety to the game.
But changing class which is as skill intensive as Command Ships are just for whatever cosmetic reasons that is like stabbing us in the back.
I did skill for Sleipnir and now all this is in waste, because I would not fly it with hurricane hull. I hate that hull and I never flew it. Even back then when t1 BC (well before the re-balance) was the best thing I can fly. I chose Cyclone over 'cane and did not mind it was inferior ... 'cause when I fly a ship I want to like what I'm looking at.
Now even if I find another CS to fly from the pool, I would need to spend a lot of time again to train all the support skills that go with it... Such waste... It makes me incredibly sad. I actually do not want to log to the game atm... You took all the fun out of it... I guess I will overcome this eventually but it will never be the same.
Also 7.5% bonus to Shield Boost amount is bonus from Cyclone so there goes consistency...
(my personal opinion is that most of the positive feedback is from ppl who finally get t2 variants of their favorite hull. Something that should be done with new ship class, not by ruining CS as they are now) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Hell Bitch
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.10.09 11:57:00 -
[479] - Quote
The changes feel kind of arbitrary.
We have T1 drake, navy drake and soon Nighthawk drake We have T1 Hurricane, navy hurricane and soon sleipnir hurricane so on and so on....
Can we not have vulture use the drake hull, claymore use the hurricane hull.
Both these hulls already have 2 variants using the same weapon system, and now we get another with go faster stripes. Why can't the drake use rails and be a Vulture, why can't the hurricane use launchers and become a Claymore.
These changes just give us more of the same.
I think a core complexion hurricane would look sick, way better than space desert camo. Might even be as cool as the original DX8 'cane.
If this change is happening for purely cosmetic reasons then the above makes more sense, so we the end user have more options for the visual style of our ship, rather than if you want AC's you gotta be rolling in a hurricane variant. |
Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
2
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:15:00 -
[480] - Quote
David Kir wrote:Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:Harbinger model as a command ship? Hell no! That idea is bad and you should feel bad! Could you at least argue the reasons because of which the Harbinger hull can not be that of a command ship?
no.
maybe.... It's ugly? |
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
3
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Posted - 2013.10.09 12:23:00 -
[481] - Quote
I don't like the idea of changing the models in general tbh. Command ships have always struck me as filling more than just a combat role therefore their current models being more suitable for them than the more aggressive models of the attack(assault?) battle cruisers. The Prophecy model, for example, looks like something that is supposed to hold the line and survive serious DPS while its pilot commands the fleet. The pilot of a harby however would be expected to focus on doing damage, not lead a team.
This is just my aesthetic opinion though but seeing as this is mostly an aesthetic change I believe my argument to be relevant. |
David Ost
BAND of MAGNUS
2
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Posted - 2013.10.09 14:18:00 -
[482] - Quote
I don't care about others, only sleipnir. And I am sad with this proposal about sleip.
First of all, the justification for this change is projectiles(hurric) vs missiles(cyclone) right? Ok so you ruined cyclone with missiles and now want to use it like justification for sleipnir change? But I dont think that weapon system is big deal for ship hull. Imho defense system is the key part of how hull model look. And guess what sleipnir and claymore defense hull is strongly based on their shield (shield rep bonus) like cyclone... So If you change this, you are saying: "Hey there is no correlation between ship hull model and their defense abilities. It's just cosmetics, like a color." Right?
As a resullt of this may I ask you for hull model update for sleip based on cyclone hull? Thanks a lot.
Ps: another drake, please god no |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
772
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Posted - 2013.10.09 19:10:00 -
[483] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:Ignore haters, these changes are great.
Almost as great as if you actually made more ship models for them. This isnt hate. I - and I am sure others - are all for T2 versions of the other BC hulls. Just dont slap them on Commandships. Why not? I'd rather have this done and put the attack BC hulls in place for the next T2 BC, if such a thing should ever come in the near future. Which is another reason why I'd be cool to have a T2 myrm now instead of next to never. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
772
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Posted - 2013.10.09 19:13:00 -
[484] - Quote
Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:I don't like the idea of changing the models in general tbh. Command ships have always struck me as filling more than just a combat role therefore their current models being more suitable for them than the more aggressive models of the attack(assault?) battle cruisers. The Prophecy model, for example, looks like something that is supposed to hold the line and survive serious DPS while its pilot commands the fleet. The pilot of a harby however would be expected to focus on doing damage, not lead a team.
This is just my aesthetic opinion though but seeing as this is mostly an aesthetic change I believe my argument to be relevant. It's a fat chicken. Fat chickens don't command, they just flop around then decapitated. We need something more sleek for the role. I'd say the oracle, but the role is too far divorced from a command ship, thus I'll settle for the harb. |
Twisted Chick
16
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:20:00 -
[485] - Quote
If your gonna change my Nighthawk to a Drake then give me back my 6 missile slot Title: She who hunts Pandas
I Heard there was Pandas around here? You have Pandas? Give me your Pandas. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
424
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Posted - 2013.10.09 20:38:00 -
[486] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote: It's a fat chicken. Fat chickens don't command, they just flop around then decapitated. We need something more sleek for the role. I'd say the oracle, but the role is too far divorced from a command ship, thus I'll settle for the harb.
Abso should be a fat chicken, considering the flying brick it is.
Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
GordonO
Black Scorpions Inc Circle-Of-Two
9
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Posted - 2013.10.09 22:42:00 -
[487] - Quote
Twisted Chick wrote:If your gonna change my Nighthawk to a Drake then give me back my 6 missile slot
Still not going to be useful. But making the sliepner look like a cane is just plain bad..
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Twisted Chick
16
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:06:00 -
[488] - Quote
GordonO wrote:Twisted Chick wrote:If your gonna change my Nighthawk to a Drake then give me back my 6 missile slot Still not going to be useful. But making the sliepner look like a cane is just plain bad..
I want an even weapon slot if its going on a drake :P It will look goofy with the 5 missile slots on a drake. Call me weird but I symmetrical ships and weapon slots >_> Title: She who hunts Pandas
I Heard there was Pandas around here? You have Pandas? Give me your Pandas. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2013.10.09 23:44:00 -
[489] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:I also want to let you guys know that nothing in these changes affects any timeline for getting special models onto these ships. Updating T2 ships with specialized models is a long-term project the Art guys are working on in every expansion, and that will continue. These changes are not being made "instead" of model changes, they are completely seperate and don't take any significant amount of time away from the other ongoing art projects such as the new sisters ships and the revamped marauder models.
Then why bother making this change at all? If you know these changes are just going to be changed again, what is the point of doing this now and just getting a lot of angry responses (unless you're intentionally trying to get people riled up)?
CCP Fozzie wrote:There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class.
That was the first mistake. If they're not going to have distinct roles, then you may as well just have four ships instead of eight.
CCP Fozzie wrote:And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while.
Sorry, but staring at more Drake hulls is not going to make me think they are any less ugly and boring, no matter what color you slap on them. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
SOL Ranger
SOL.
38
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Posted - 2013.10.10 00:55:00 -
[490] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote: ... That was the first mistake. If they're not going to have distinct roles, then you may as well just have four ships instead of eight. ...
I'll never understand this, why exactly would different ships with different properties but the same role be so redundant to the game that they might as well be removed?
I'd understand and support your opinion if it was to resurrect the killed off ship role, but you're actually leaning towards advocating the removal of ships because of a principle that there should only exist one ship per role per faction; I've seen this opinion before and I'll always end up surprised that this at all can seem as a reasonable pursuit.
I'd love to have countless same faction ships with similar and overlapping properties and hulls having the same role, it is realistic, fun and nobody wants to be pigeon holed into one single ship and hull for one role or play style.
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OTMOROSOK
Black Octopus Infernal Octopus
2
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Posted - 2013.10.10 05:48:00 -
[491] - Quote
Why CCP wants to use the same 3D old models for this ships? Why they want every faction would have 3 ships of the same design, what's the point?
Dear CCP developers are You short of ideas of designers? Do You want to refresh the looks of the comand ships or just tell You boss: "I've completed the task that You told me to complete! Where is my bonus?" :)
Would You make a really new looking ships' 3D models, please, like You've done with sisters' ships. |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
150
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Posted - 2013.10.10 08:06:00 -
[492] - Quote
Sure new Hulls are the Goal but atleast I get my T2 Myrm thanks CCP. :p |
Zae'dra Xanthe
POD Based Lifeforms DarkSide.
16
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Posted - 2013.10.10 11:10:00 -
[493] - Quote
Please
For the love of all things humane....
Please...
*NO* T2 DRAKES, CANES and the brown and ugly looking Amarr ship.
-- rage mode off --
CCP, you don't have design talent? Get some dudes and start doing modeling work. Something entirely NEW (or at least considerably modified NEW given all T2 things share hulls with their T1 variants) would be acceptable. This is pure slacking!
This... this is a downgrade. No way in hell in putting my behind into a T2 drake or cane, thank God there are still other options. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
754
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Posted - 2013.10.10 12:04:00 -
[494] - Quote
If you promise to merge the Hurricane and Minmatar shuttle model as soon as possible to become the new Sleipnir, then maybe we can live with the Hurricane model temporarily.
As long as the final ship is looking menacing with lots of solar panels.
I will still miss the old Sleipnir. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Tenaris Zeratul
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:17:00 -
[495] - Quote
I know a lot of people don't like the changes, for example, the Sleipnir being a Cane now. I was thinking about this, and I was wondering if all command ship hulls made before Rubicon retain the classic look, and maybe get some sort of prefix/suffix (I.E. "Legacy Eos"/Eos Legacy Edition"), and all command ships built after Rubicon have the new looks.
This way, people who like the old hulls can still fly them, and those who like the new ones can fly those. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:26:00 -
[496] - Quote
SOL Ranger wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote: ... That was the first mistake. If they're not going to have distinct roles, then you may as well just have four ships instead of eight. ...
I'll never understand this, why exactly would different ships with different properties but the same role be so redundant to the game that they might as well be removed? I'd understand and support your opinion if it was to resurrect the killed off ship role, but you're actually leaning towards advocating the removal of ships because of a principle that there should only exist one ship per role per faction; I've seen this opinion before and I'll always end up surprised that this at all can seem as a reasonable pursuit. I'd love to have countless same faction ships with similar and overlapping properties and hulls having the same role, it is realistic, fun and nobody wants to be pigeon holed into one single ship and hull for one role or play style.
My intent wasn't so much as to advocate the removal of ships, but rather to point out the mistake of removing the roles. T2 ships are supposed to be designed with a specific role and purpose; unlike their T1 counterparts, they are highly specialized. In homogenizing the command ships, some of that specialization has been removed. Yes, command ships still have a distinct role apart from other hulls, but now there are certain roles and cases where there is no longer a ship designed to fill that specific role, and the new more bland group doesn't do the job as well as it used to.
Frankly, the removal of fleet and combat command ships just felt like laziness on CCP's part. It was a cop-out to make their balancing easier. I'm all for having more options to fly, but not at the expense of utility and function. If CCP wants more ships in a given role, they should be adding hulls, not reducing the effectiveness of ones that we already have.
P.S. The Drake is still ugly, and we don't need any more of them flying around! Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Syri Taneka
NOVA-CAINE
88
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Posted - 2013.10.10 14:05:00 -
[497] - Quote
I like all of them except the Sleip, simply because the Hurricane is such a bland hull to begin with. A t2 Myrm would be PIMP, as would a t2 Drake. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
95
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Posted - 2013.10.10 17:15:00 -
[498] - Quote
Tenaris Zeratul wrote:I know a lot of people don't like the changes, for example, the Sleipnir being a Cane now. I was thinking about this, and I was wondering if all command ship hulls made before Rubicon retain the classic look, and maybe get some sort of prefix/suffix (I.E. "Legacy Eos"/Eos Legacy Edition"), and all command ships built after Rubicon have the new looks.
This way, people who like the old hulls can still fly them, and those who like the new ones can fly those.
this is a nice idea i had another idea :
what it ships have the skin of the ship they are invented from (sleip beeing possibly invented from hurrocane or cyclone)etc....
but this wont happen because of the same reason: "It will be to confuseing esp for new players etc....." |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
96
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:31:00 -
[499] - Quote
Heh. I have better option - give additional low slot to the damnation and leave absolution alone |
Cleopatrra
Swag Co. SWAG Co
0
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Posted - 2013.10.10 18:48:00 -
[500] - Quote
So is it just me or does the new Myr look almost like the T1 variant... Was looking forward to the redish one. |
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Axon Magnus
axis Phalanx sect
1
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:40:00 -
[501] - Quote
this is just awful , really really ccp , is that the best you can do , just slap on a texture and voila its a new type of ship , this is just disapointing let alone its also a downgrade i mean just look at the absolution its just looks amazing ,look at the ferox its just amazing too and you are just slapping a ******* drake model to it a shin pad not to mention the new absolution is a tampon worst of all a BLOODY RED TAMPON!!!!!!!! .
just why you have the resources to create something better , if you are feeling lazy just start the ship design competition like you did years ago , cause honestly we fell like we have been just raped . YOU HAVE THE FUNDS AND THE RESOURCES YOU CANT MAKE ANY EXCUSES WE WANT THE BEST NOT JUST A LOUSY SLAP JOB , DONT START A DECADE WITH A DISAPOINTMENT
IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING JUST LEAVE THEM AS THEY WERE , THEY ARE SOOOOO MUCH BETTER THE WAY THEY ARE
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
773
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:06:00 -
[502] - Quote
Kane Fenris wrote:Tenaris Zeratul wrote:I know a lot of people don't like the changes, for example, the Sleipnir being a Cane now. I was thinking about this, and I was wondering if all command ship hulls made before Rubicon retain the classic look, and maybe get some sort of prefix/suffix (I.E. "Legacy Eos"/Eos Legacy Edition"), and all command ships built after Rubicon have the new looks.
This way, people who like the old hulls can still fly them, and those who like the new ones can fly those. this is a nice idea i had another idea : what it ships have the skin of the ship they are invented from (sleip beeing possibly invented from hurrocane or cyclone)etc.... but this wont happen because of the same reason: "It will be to confuseing esp for new players etc....." Considering the number of people adamantly protesting the amount of work that went into this proposal as is, I'd imagine their heads would explode if CCP acted on the idea of creating effectively 2 different versions of the same ship. |
Cassius Invictus
Thou shalt not kill
51
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:32:00 -
[503] - Quote
Axon Magnus wrote: not to mention the new absolution is a tampon worst of all a BLOODY RED TAMPON!!!!!!!! .
Damn. Now for sure I want be able to fly my Absolution... time to get back to my sexy laser Legion. |
Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:21:00 -
[504] - Quote
they don't really look like "command" ships anymore.. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
774
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:45:00 -
[505] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:they don't really look like "command" ships anymore.. How so? What in the current models looks more like a command ship than the new ones? |
Dalilus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:31:00 -
[506] - Quote
The Sleipnir is now a Hurricane? Lol, too much Absinthe has been flowing at CCP......
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SysteMGhosT
GREENSPACE
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:26:00 -
[507] - Quote
For all those years we've lived and died with them, now they are supposed to be replaced by this 3rd rate crap? Please don't CCP |
OTMOROSOK
Black Octopus Infernal Octopus
2
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Posted - 2013.10.11 06:20:00 -
[508] - Quote
Someone has posted the good idea about the design competition. CCP why don't You do this?!
If You are really short of ideas about ship design why don't You tell the players: "You asked us for the new ships and we want new ships! Please send us 3d models of them (for example, in 3DS MAX format or VRML) and link rendered shipGÇÖs images in JPEG format in this thread of this forum. The winner gets a 10 years of EVE's free subscription, unique collectors ships (like in alliance tournament) and the main fiture: his nick would be placed in the description of that ship like: GÇÿAbsolution is a command ship designed by famous Player BillGÇÖ."
Let the players see the ideas of the other players and choose the best one. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
62
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Posted - 2013.10.11 07:01:00 -
[509] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:So, if these models really must be used... Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution? Harbinger Front FlawsYes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders? And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for? waiting for confirmation on theses issues.
Or do I really have to write a bug report for this?
Also: DeviantArt :: EVE Online - Create a Starship Contest. For those, who are interested.
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alexi turov
Neutronium Alchemist's
1
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:20:00 -
[510] - Quote
Compared the the Prophecy, the Harbinger just isn't a good model. It looks like someone glued a beak onto the front of an Airfix aeroplane.
Also, why does it have drop-tanks under the wings? |
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel
6
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Posted - 2013.10.11 08:41:00 -
[511] - Quote
OTMOROSOK wrote:Someone has posted the good idea about the design competition. CCP why don't You do this?!
If You are really short of ideas about ship design why don't You tell the players: "You asked us for the new ships and we want new ships! Please send us 3d models of them (for example, in 3DS MAX format or VRML) and link rendered shipGÇÖs images in JPEG format in this thread of this forum. The winner gets a 10 years of EVE's free subscription, unique collectors ships (like in alliance tournament) and the main fiture: his nick would be placed in the description of that ship like: GÇÿAbsolution is a command ship designed by famous Player BillGÇÖ."
Let the players see the ideas of the other players and choose the best one.
This. You already did the same for the Oracle. |
Dovhakiin
Aviarium
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:37:00 -
[512] - Quote
I saw the new hulls on SiSi. But i can speack only for the Nighthawk and the Sleipnir. Please NO., NO, NO, don-¦t do this. No more Drake Hull. No more Hurricane Hull.
I love this two ships, how they are now. Or gives us new models.
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Hadewijch
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.10.11 12:26:00 -
[513] - Quote
The horror, the horror.
The Absolution looks plain terrible - a bloody red tampon indeed. At least invert the colours if nothing else, so much red looks ridiculous. Also, tone down the gold. |
Sky Falcorr
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 14:11:00 -
[514] - Quote
Dovhakiin wrote: No more Drake Hull. No more Hurricane Hull.
+1 on this. and i also prefer Brutix hull instead of Myrm as well =\ |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2013.10.11 21:34:00 -
[515] - Quote
SysteMGhosT wrote:For all those years we've lived and died with them, now they are supposed to be replaced by this 3rd rate crap? Please don't CCP
Baawwwww.
Why don't you go support a cause that actually matters, like the fact that Marauders still won't really have a role in PvP, and are now so slow in literally everything that CCP has basically stealth buffed T3s for mission running. That, these failed stat changes to a ship class that as far as I can tell is dead in the water in all possible scenarios, is "being replaced by this 3rd rate crap". Literally. The Marauders, as they are now, are being replaced, such is the huge gulf in method of use compared to now.
The Drake hull isn't bad. You're just tired of seeing them because for a long time, HML drakes were one of the only viable things in PvP (which was due to a crux of stats and abilities- that and everything else being crap). I bet it'll be the exact same for the Hurricane hulled Sleipnir- though I DO think that it'd be very good for CCP to consider not having another space-camo Hurricane.
Also, I thought everyone had their cameras zoomed way out in the large fleet fights that command ships typically find themselves in, making all of this whining a moot point anyways. |
Axon Magnus
axis Phalanx sect
3
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:18:00 -
[516] - Quote
delete |
Echo Mande
61
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:19:00 -
[517] - Quote
Are there any plans to alter the invention or manufacturing requirements for the remodeled command ships? If so I would imagine that builders would like some time to buy/research/copy new BPCs before Rubicon. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:24:00 -
[518] - Quote
Echo Mande wrote:Are there any plans to alter the invention or manufacturing requirements for the remodeled command ships? If so I would imagine that builders would like some time to buy/research/copy new BPCs before Rubicon.
From the op wrote:This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
723
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:26:00 -
[519] - Quote
Between the new SoE ships not being done yet, the new Golem not being done yet, the Marauders' Bastion Mode animations not all being done yet and all the other little things that the art department is working on like ISIS and the new character select, who exactly is supposed to make these new models? Every single one of you will howl like a wounded hyena if you don't get your SoE ships and your remodeled marauders with their full and complete bastion animations exactly on Nov 19th and you know it.
The CS models will get changed to proper T2 variants when they get to them. In the meantime, either apply to work in the art department or HTFU.
Aglais wrote:Also, I thought everyone had their cameras zoomed way out in the large fleet fights that command ships typically find themselves in, making all of this whining a moot point anyways. QFT. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:14:00 -
[520] - Quote
As I see it, the entire relationship between the BC and CS types is messed up.
For instance, the Prophecy hull is all curves and yet it has slots for missile launchers which, being angular and non-retracting, look horribly out of place on it. Same situation on the Damnation. On the other hand, turrets would look fine lined up on the Harbinger's weapon sponsons.
Swapping the high slot layouts of the two hulls would correct this situation and make the Prophecy hull the appropriate choice for the Absolution and the Harbinger hull right for the Damnation.
No doubt this would also mean tinkering with cpu and powergrid stats, which I'm sure would be way beyond the scope of what is intended.
In other words, this is a classic "Don't start from here" situation. |
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
295
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:30:00 -
[521] - Quote
Where's all the Drake love?! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2013.10.12 06:40:00 -
[522] - Quote
Kane Fenris wrote:Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:OTMOROSOK wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, You've writen:
> The plan is: > Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger > Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon > Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake > Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane
Have You ever been playing EVE? Have You taken the part in medium or large gangs ever? Let's imagine that You are saying in team speaker: "Primary Boundless Creations Hurricane! Shoot Boundless Creations Hurricane!" Do You really think that this is possible in real fight?
.. .. ..
The player. As mentioned a lot of times already, they are not changing the names. They only said which skin/model that ship will become... Names are safe... you did not understand him one part of the reasoning for the change was that now models and progression should be optically possible. he was sarcastic, by saying people would actually identify ships like that when the use overview and names ..... so basically the main "gameplay" reasoning for this change is bull**** No, I think Tinukeda'ya got it right.
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Cailus
The Bootcamp EveryoneVersusEveryone.com.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.12 11:39:00 -
[523] - Quote
I may never undock my Sleipnir again Gonna be tough getting used to seeing a Cane in it's place. |
Oxide Ammar
Equilibrium Tech Labs
17
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Posted - 2013.10.12 11:48:00 -
[524] - Quote
Rather than be creative and come up with new concept models you are using different ships skins and slapping red and blue strips on it....brilliant ! |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens Vanguard.
889
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Posted - 2013.10.12 17:38:00 -
[525] - Quote
Worst change I've seen in Eve in awhile.
And believe me, there have been some doozies over the years. :( Do not run. We are your friends. |
Battlingbean
Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad.
23
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:53:00 -
[526] - Quote
Where were all you whiners when this idea was proposed? I remember when everyone I knew in EVE thought that a Kaalakiota Drake would be freaking awesome. Now that it is finally here CCP is drowning in tears. I'm surprised they modify the game with all the crying.
I like the changes. Especially the CreoDron Myrmidon.
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CPT Ashen
Old Valyria
0
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:02:00 -
[527] - Quote
This is quite upsetting to see the hulls be changed to something so boring. With only the promise of them being modified in the future.
I'd have to agree with the issue of working on something that will be redundant later on. The Tier 1 hulls have always been much more solid designs and their T2 variations a lot more vicious looking. Furthermore the turret layout on these hulls need to be properly attended to.
I'd have to say that I think while the update on the idea of changing their respective hulls over is welcome. Changing them now without making considerable modification is not. Give the design teams their plaything, but keep that bland Hurricane away from my Sleipnir.
-A |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
19
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:11:00 -
[528] - Quote
Battlingbean wrote:Where were all you whiners when this idea was proposed? I remember when everyone I knew in EVE thought that a Kaalakiota Drake would be freaking awesome. Now that it is finally here CCP is drowning in tears. I'm surprised they modify the game at all with this crying.
I like the changes. Especially the CreoDron Myrmidon.
Maybe the fact that the old suggestion was hidden in thread called "About the Eos' model" might have something to do with that... Pilots that do not fly Eos might have simply ignore that one.
Also that one was more like hypothetical. On the other hand this is for real. It's official announcement covering all the Command ships and majority of the command ship pilots is probably reading this.
And from what I see following this thread most of them are against the change but CCP just don't care anyway 'cause the "Feedback was overwhelmingly positive" (-CCP Fozzie) in the previous EOS thread.
I'm still trying to find an alternative ship for me to fly when the Slurricane hits Tranquility... Not really successful so far. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Joelleaveek
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
256
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Posted - 2013.10.13 17:49:00 -
[529] - Quote
I love this idea and i can't wait to see it go live.
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Sister Sophia
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2013.10.13 20:10:00 -
[530] - Quote
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:Brought nighthawk due to ferox hull, am not impressed. Massive dislike!
This.
The other models look great. But plz leave the beautiful Nighthawk as is. Also there is history there: recall rocket wizardry videos. It's such an elegant ship now. Don't waffle it. |
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Denalipro
Yarrtards With Epeen
1
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Posted - 2013.10.14 04:21:00 -
[531] - Quote
This is a stupid idea! |
Denalipro
Yarrtards With Epeen
1
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Posted - 2013.10.14 05:04:00 -
[532] - Quote
YEp!Tyranis Marcus wrote:Worst change I've seen in Eve in awhile.
And believe me, there have been some doozies over the years. :(
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Sgt Ocker
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:13:00 -
[533] - Quote
Drake looks like it had so little thought put into it and it is a DRAKE for gods sake. A drake with T2 resists will simply be the ugly duckling with a red stripe. Hurricane, camo is camo.
A; for effort F; for result
As a side question on manufacturing the new hulls. If I have Nighthawk BPC's in my hanger at the time of the change, will they remain nighthawks or become Vultures? |
Hanna Cyrus
Paranocxium Brotherhood Of Silent Space
29
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:21:00 -
[534] - Quote
Please stay the models are they are now or make an election! Many players skilled und bought these ships, becouse thats nasty ships and many of us love the design. I hope you guys have something that is more urgent for ...... |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
445
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Posted - 2013.10.14 09:24:00 -
[535] - Quote
Battlingbean wrote:Where were all you whiners when this idea was proposed? I remember when everyone I knew in EVE thought that a Kaalakiota Drake would be freaking awesome. Now that it is finally here CCP is drowning in tears. I'm surprised they modify the game at all with this crying.
I like the changes. Especially the CreoDron Myrmidon. Whiners? No one is against the t2 versions of said BC's. In fact I welcome T2 Canes, Drakes and Myrms.
Just don't slap them on perfectly fine Commandship hulls. The complaints are legit: most of these hulls are pretty damn signature to said ships.
Make a new, special BC class to use these hulls for. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Killian Redbeard
Ironhand Research and Industrial Corp SoulWing Alliance
22
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Posted - 2013.10.14 13:21:00 -
[536] - Quote
Leave the Sleipnir as it is, hate the hurricane model. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
447
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Posted - 2013.10.14 15:08:00 -
[537] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote: As a side question on manufacturing the new hulls. If I have Nighthawk BPC's in my hanger at the time of the change, will they remain nighthawks or become Vultures?
The ship itself statistics wise doesn't change, so you can rest assured Nighthawks remain Highthawks. Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If It Bleeds, Kill It - II |
Case Hakuli
Shooting Red Crosses
0
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Posted - 2013.10.14 15:20:00 -
[538] - Quote
I'm alright with the change to the Sleipnir as long as there's also an update to the Hurricane model!
Seriously CCP |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
308
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:09:00 -
[539] - Quote
Case Hakuli wrote:I'm alright with the change to the Sleipnir as long as there's also an update to the Hurricane model!
Seriously CCP update like... return rust and scraps on minmatar hulls? Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:21:00 -
[540] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Drake looks like it had so little thought put into it and it is a DRAKE for gods sake. A drake with T2 resists will simply be the ugly duckling with a red stripe. Hurricane, camo is camo.
A; for effort F; for result
As a side question on manufacturing the new hulls. If I have Nighthawk BPC's in my hanger at the time of the change, will they remain nighthawks or become Vultures? Wait, so if it's a drake with a red stripe it's no thought, but the ferox with a red stripe is fine? |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
777
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:31:00 -
[541] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:Battlingbean wrote:Where were all you whiners when this idea was proposed? I remember when everyone I knew in EVE thought that a Kaalakiota Drake would be freaking awesome. Now that it is finally here CCP is drowning in tears. I'm surprised they modify the game at all with this crying.
I like the changes. Especially the CreoDron Myrmidon. Whiners? No one is against the t2 versions of said BC's. In fact I welcome T2 Canes, Drakes and Myrms. Just don't slap them on perfectly fine Commandship hulls. The complaints are legit: most of these hulls are pretty damn signature to said ships. Make a new, special BC class to use these hulls for. Even with the update the command ships affected are still perfectly fine. I look forward to being able to fly an absolution again and will still fly the sleipnir. And really, looking at both I prefer a drake to a ferox in Kaalakiota colors.
Besides, when can we realistically expect another set of T2 BC's? Do we really have room for such a ship without further exasperating the issue of ships stepping on each others toes, something BC's of all categories are infamous for? What role would they serve? And personally, if we have to wait for all of that before getting these hulls, what are the chances of ever getting T2 ships with the ABC hulls? |
GordonO
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.10.14 19:36:00 -
[542] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:Aesheera wrote:Battlingbean wrote:Where were all you whiners when this idea was proposed? I remember when everyone I knew in EVE thought that a Kaalakiota Drake would be freaking awesome. Now that it is finally here CCP is drowning in tears. I'm surprised they modify the game at all with this crying.
I like the changes. Especially the CreoDron Myrmidon. Whiners? No one is against the t2 versions of said BC's. In fact I welcome T2 Canes, Drakes and Myrms. Just don't slap them on perfectly fine Commandship hulls. The complaints are legit: most of these hulls are pretty damn signature to said ships. Make a new, special BC class to use these hulls for. Even with the update the command ships affected are still perfectly fine. I look forward to being able to fly an absolution again and will still fly the sleipnir. And really, looking at both I prefer a drake to a ferox in Kaalakiota colors. Besides, when can we realistically expect another set of T2 BC's? Do we really have room for such a ship without further exasperating the issue of ships stepping on each others toes, something BC's of all categories are infamous for? What role would they serve? And personally, if we have to wait for all of that before getting these hulls, what are the chances of ever getting T2 ships with the ABC hulls?
I would hope they make the nighthawk useable before they introduce a T2 version. Unless you using the NH for boosting, there really is no reason to choose it for pvp over the drake.
. |
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
119
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Posted - 2013.10.15 06:57:00 -
[543] - Quote
GordonO wrote:I would hope they make the nighthawk useable before they introduce a T2 version. Unless you using the NH for boosting, there really is no reason to choose it for pvp over the drake.
I was very disappointed when they didn't give the nighthawk a 6th mid, myself. I've been campaigning for that on and off for at least six years, and the only time I got a dev response was to say that it might be looked at the next time the Nighthawk comes up for general review. Well, the Nighthawk came up for general review, and it still didn't get the sixth mid it needs to become a good ship. |
May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
35
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Posted - 2013.10.15 07:49:00 -
[544] - Quote
Tempest Fleet issue killed in visual: check (lost square wings, station-camouflage painting) Claymore killed both in visual and minmatarness: check (wanna fly a charcoal ?)
and ... Sleipnir killed in visual: check
I'm really disappointed, again. What is proposed here is merely change the hull into a faction T1 with a different color. I wouldn't have mind the sleipnir to loose it's hull if it was for a better one, but it's not. Not only for the sleipnir but also the other CS.
Let's just hope it's temporary |
zerquse
Fallen Soldiers of Perseverance From Ashes.
5
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Posted - 2013.10.15 13:21:00 -
[545] - Quote
make the myrm blackish like the eos |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
779
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Posted - 2013.10.15 19:32:00 -
[546] - Quote
May O'Neez wrote:Tempest Fleet issue killed in visual: You shut your lying mouth. |
Varenth Esher
Reverberation Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.10.15 20:02:00 -
[547] - Quote
I approve of this product/service. I've been waiting to fly a blood red harbinger! |
Celeste Lovette
1473
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Posted - 2013.10.16 09:28:00 -
[548] - Quote
I really like those changes, keep doing it "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
450
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Posted - 2013.10.16 10:32:00 -
[549] - Quote
zerquse wrote:make the myrm blackish like the eos Not using a color monitor I see? Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If it bleeds, kill it - II Support this man's tool! |
zerquse
Fallen Soldiers of Perseverance From Ashes.
5
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Posted - 2013.10.16 13:09:00 -
[550] - Quote
Aesheera wrote:zerquse wrote:make the myrm blackish like the eos Not using a color monitor I see?
i could swear it used to be blackisk |
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May O'Neez
Flying Blacksmiths
35
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Posted - 2013.10.16 15:23:00 -
[551] - Quote
Tyberius Franklin wrote:May O'Neez wrote:Tempest Fleet issue killed in visual: You shut your lying mouth.
Not lying, you apparently didn't fly much these ships or didn't care. And when I look at other post it seems I'm not alone in thinking that it is not a model change but a texture change. I still don't understand why there's a few T2 ships which get a different hull and other not, this should also be part of balance ... |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
776
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Posted - 2013.10.16 18:39:00 -
[552] - Quote
zerquse wrote:Aesheera wrote:zerquse wrote:make the myrm blackish like the eos Not using a color monitor I see? i could swear it used to be blackisk
Post-V3 CreoDron colors are some kind of weird spectral green-blueish thing. A lot of the people who are commenting on the Eos having strange colors are only previewing it or only looking at it in their hangar. When you undock in it (so glad I got BC V and Command Ships I trained before their changes came through) it's the correct Post-V3 color. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
779
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Posted - 2013.10.16 19:14:00 -
[553] - Quote
May O'Neez wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:May O'Neez wrote:Tempest Fleet issue killed in visual: You shut your lying mouth. Not lying, you apparently didn't fly much these ships or didn't care. And when I look at other post it seems I'm not alone in thinking that it is not a model change but a texture change. I still don't understand why there's a few T2 ships which get a different hull and other not, this should also be part of balance ... Not saying it didn't change, I am saying I like the new one better. |
Aesheera
Blacklight Recon Strictly Unprofessional
453
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Posted - 2013.10.17 15:04:00 -
[554] - Quote
zerquse wrote:Aesheera wrote:zerquse wrote:make the myrm blackish like the eos Not using a color monitor I see? i could swear it used to be blackisk Pre first graphics update, the Eos was white and Green :D Primary since '07. GÖÑ
If it bleeds, kill it - II Support this man's tool! |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
121
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:04:00 -
[555] - Quote
It would be nice to see some consistency out of these decisions.
Interdictors are also getting a rebalance with Rubicon. However, with this rebalance, there is no mention of changes to the models. This means that it's ok for the Flycatcher, primarily a missile ship, to continue to use the hull of the Cormorant, which is primarily a hybrid turret ship.
Yet somehow, it is wrong for the Nighthawk to have a Ferox hull instead of the Drake? Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Weasel Leblanc
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:19:00 -
[556] - Quote
This brings up one thing that annoys me to no end: certain Tech II paintjobs are damn near indistinguishable from their faction's base colors.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm quite fond of how the new versions of the Absolution and the Nighthawk look thanks to their color schemes, but as for the other two? They are direly lacking in visual distinction from the base hulls. CreoDron colors inevitably wind up just looking like a slightly less shiny version of normal Gallente ships, and Boundless Creations - at least, as far as color goes - just winds up looking like a slightly brighter basic Minmatar ship. (I can't tell if the solar panel fins on the Sleipnir are any different from a Hurricane's because the resolution is so dang tiny.)
Adding a little bit of extra visual kibble would go a long way towards making the ships more distinctive. It works well enough for assault frigates. |
Takari
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
287
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:00:00 -
[557] - Quote
Quote: This means that it's ok for the Flycatcher, primarily a missile ship, to continue to use the hull of the Cormorant, which is primarily a hybrid turret ship.
I agree. A Kaalakiota Corax is too beautiful an idea to pass up. CCP should make it so! "Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things.
Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon |
Jaz Antollare
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:41:00 -
[558] - Quote
More exausts for the new EOS!!! Like on Ishkur and Ishtar |
Wey'oun
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
138
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Posted - 2013.10.18 09:59:00 -
[559] - Quote
Whilst you are at it, how about a new icon for Command Processors. Using the same icon as a cyno can get confusing when trying to fit cyno command ships in a rush. I accidentally warped to a titan with 4 cynos and no on-line links in a damnation the other day :P |
Yathsou Athanah
Sky Boxers Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:20:00 -
[560] - Quote
I like the thukker mix impression hurricane from EOH labs a lot more to be honest:
http://www.eohgames.com/labs/Ships/Thukker%20Mix%20Hurricane
it's a much more distinguishable paintjob
also, obligatory sidenote: Wing Command boost fix? When? It's been too long... |
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Boci
Order of the Black Dagger
5
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Posted - 2013.10.19 00:02:00 -
[561] - Quote
Tech2 hurricane! Personally, like the car so much better than the toilet brushes!
Woooohoo! |
Czar Marcus
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:56:00 -
[562] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:More posts! The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all): Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
I'm not happy with many of these changes.
The Drake is too widely used as is. The hull is everywhere. Having a different Hull was a nice change of pace. Now the Caldari Path is just going from one Drake to the next.
This change seems uninspired. The same paint scheme was kept and only the hull was changed. I don't see any wow factor here. It's a boring paint scheme on an already overused ship.
The Prophecy is my favorite hull so I dislike the Abso change on that basis. I've never been a fan of the Harbinger hull. I can't get past that it looks like a bulimic hammerhead shark.
The Eos hull change makes sense, but the paint scheme is terrible. It's too muted and doesn't set itself apart from the Myrmidon much.
The Sleipnir is the only one so far that I actually like hull wise.
With the amount of time required to fit and fly these ships they deserve to look impressive. These changes are uninspired and boring. The only change seems to be taking an already used paint scheme and rotating it to another ship. Add something to their models and make them stand out. Make the paint look good. If your plan is to give us something new then give us something new. I understand that the current hulls don't do this, but you're asking for our opinions and that is mine. |
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
120
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Posted - 2013.10.20 00:36:00 -
[563] - Quote
Does anyone know if the devs said anything about the command ship model changes at EVE Vegas? I tuned into the stream late and missed most of the balancing and changes stuff. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
97
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:37:00 -
[564] - Quote
Wrayeth wrote:Does anyone know if the devs said anything about the command ship model changes at EVE Vegas? I tuned into the stream late and missed most of the balancing and changes stuff.
not on day 1 sa far as i have seen just watching day two now |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
294
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Posted - 2013.10.22 09:45:00 -
[565] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:As I see it, the entire relationship between the BC and CS types is messed up.
For instance, the Prophecy hull is all curves and yet it has slots for missile launchers which, being angular and non-retracting, look horribly out of place on it. Same situation on the Damnation. On the other hand, launchers would look fine lined up on the Harbinger's weapon sponsons.
Swapping the high slot layouts of the two hulls would correct this situation and make the Prophecy hull the appropriate choice for the Absolution and the Harbinger hull right for the Damnation.
No doubt this would also mean tinkering with cpu and powergrid stats, which I'm sure would be way beyond the scope of what is intended.
In other words, this is a classic "Don't start from here" situation. On second thoughts, forget the high slots and just swap the Prophecy and Harbinger hulls, then match the Damnation with the new Prophecy. |
Wrayeth
Inexorable Retribution
128
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Posted - 2013.10.23 07:24:00 -
[566] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote: On second thoughts, forget the high slots and just swap the Prophecy and Harbinger hulls, then match the Damnation with the new Prophecy.
I am totally cool with this. The prophecy was originally a laser boat, anyway. |
Esteban Dragonovic
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.10.23 15:32:00 -
[567] - Quote
CCP, you are not touching the nighthawk model. The ferox hull needs as much love as it can get. Besides the ferox + kaal paintjob is a match made in paridise. Compare the current model to the proposed one and I dare you to tell me which looks better. Also, taking 5 launcher ship and throwing it on an 8 hardpoint hull is just plain awful. Some ships you could get away with it, but not the damn plain drake hull. Give me T2 ferox models, not just a striped drake. |
Sivney Quincannon
41
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:28:00 -
[568] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:More posts! One of the changes we were investigating for Odyssey 1.1 but had to drop due to time was adjustments to the models of half the command ships. The goal would be to move them over to hulls that match the T1 combat BC that shares their weapon type, creating some more variety, opening up options for the art guys in the future, and making the differences between the command ships more intuitive. This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me. The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all): Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible. This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion. Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
I truly dislike the decision to change the visuals of these ships to existing types already in the game. Changing the Sleipnir to a Hurricane model just pours more salt on the wound. There are already 2 existing Hurricane models.
Please come up with something new and original and please do not implement this change for Rubicon. These new versions do not look amazing at all and in the long run the change will never be positive.
Just plain LAZY! I hope this change dies in a fire. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
786
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Posted - 2013.10.23 20:13:00 -
[569] - Quote
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:CCP, you are not touching the nighthawk model. The ferox hull needs as much love as it can get. Besides the ferox + kaal paintjob is a match made in paridise. Compare the current model to the proposed one and I dare you to tell me which looks better. Also, taking 5 launcher ship and throwing it on an 8 hardpoint hull is just plain awful. Some ships you could get away with it, but not the damn plain drake hull. Give me T2 ferox models, not just a striped drake. I'll take that dare, the drake looks better. |
Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:17:00 -
[570] - Quote
Esteban Dragonovic wrote:CCP, you are not touching the nighthawk model. The ferox hull needs as much love as it can get. Besides the ferox + kaal paintjob is a match made in paridise. Compare the current model to the proposed one and I dare you to tell me which looks better. Also, taking 5 launcher ship and throwing it on an 8 hardpoint hull is just plain awful. Some ships you could get away with it, but not the damn plain drake hull. Give me T2 ferox models, not just a striped drake.
Hear, hear!
(that's "+1" or "QFT" in internet speak) Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
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Lara Feng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.24 14:49:00 -
[571] - Quote
So i had some time to let the changes sink in. I tried every of the new command ship models on the testserver. I tried to get accustomed to them and tried not to be biased. I tried to find reasons for and against these changes. And these are my final thoughts on the subject:
Consitency: Yes, these changes will "enhance" consistency within these shipclasses. This was one of the main arguments for this change...and at the same time it-¦s one of the most stunning arguments against it. Fact is: There is no consistency between T1 and T2 or faction ships. There never was and there never will be (unless you guys want to drown in a shitstorm of massive proportions when you change the ships that really a lot of people fly. I-¦m already looking forward to the Hawk getting the Kestrel model.). Just a few examples:
Punisher - Vengeance Cormorant - Flycatcher Catalyst - New Eris (notice how you are even introducing new inconsistencies with Rubicon?) Merlin - Hawk Armageddon - NavyGeddon/Redeemer Phoon - Panther Bellicose - Rapier/Huggin (different weapons) Executioner - Malediction Incursus - Ishkur Coercer - Heretic etc. etc. etc. - I could go on forever here, but i think you get the point.
So the consistency argument is null and void. This can-¦t be a major reason for this change.
What should a comandship look like?
I don-¦t know about you, but i think a commandship should look like projection of overwhelming power and durability when it enters the battlefield. The tier 1 battlecruiser hulls all fit this image extremely well. They are bulky, scary bricks that look overwhelmingly fearsome. None of the tier 2 hulls matches this image as well as the tier 1 hulls do. I actually like the tier 2 hulls as well, especially the Myrmidon. I always looked forward to an upgraded version. But when a perfectly fine looking Eos needs to go because of it: Hell No!. Most people who are positive which these changes mention the T2 Myrmidon as a reason. And the Myrm deserves an upgraded version, why not as a faction battlecruiser for example? Oh, wait....because against all consistency (see? there it is again) you decided to make the Brutix the gallentean faction BC.
Lore
Since their introduction these ships where able to build a reputation. They are iconic figures, well present in ingame lore. When somebody mentions a Sleipnir, every player older than 1 year immediately imagines a lead spewing, beastly looking (yeah beastly...maybe like that 8 legged horse from mythology it is named after?), bulky ship coming at you while tanking everything you throw at it. Many people have fond memories of these ships. Especially since they are not your everyday throwaway spacemobile, but something rather special. Why break these images when the in game lore is the one major thing that makes eve special for so many people?
Diversity
The tier 1 BC hulls were always less used than their tier 2 counterparts which are basically omnipresent. So it was nice to see them being used in their T2 commandship outfit. Do we really need more Drakes, Hurricanes, Harbingers and Myrmidons? They are everywhere. Yeah, the statistics changed a bit after recent rebalancing, but still: They are used much more often then the tier 1 hulls.
Design
Yeah, the tier one hulls look rather edgy in some cases. They are not everyones taste. The tier 2 hulls are much more streamlined and...more bland. Unique looking ships are a plus if the overall concept is fine, which it is for the tier 1 hulls.
Public Reception
I don-¦t actually think that there is a huge community acceptance for these changes. Many people commenting positively on here give no reasons at all why these changes are needed or supported by them. Other than that they like a particular model after the change. I think you might have gotten sidetracked a little bit after that Eos thread a while back. Sure everyone wanted a new Myrmidon model, people were disappointed they didn-¦t get the faction Myrm. And on the other hand people who were not in favor of these changes didn-¦t even read that thread, because it did not had any relevance to them. Also it was rather unrelated to actual upcoming expansions. People are usually using these sites of the forum when changes are announced in dev blogs. And the feedback you got here is rather obvious and much more representative. The feedback posted at third party sites was rather devastating as well.
Change
Yes, people want new commandship models. And you have announced that the models will be reworked in the future. But then why change them into completely different hulls first? And here comes the only thing i can think of why it would be a good idea to change these models (but it is a thing in favor of the Art Department and not of the actual customer): The tier 2 hulls are easier to work with! Their smooth looks make it easier to come up with upgraded designs. Hell, maybe you even got an upgraded Drake model from back when you revamped it the other day? If that really is the case (i am just speculating here), than this would be a sorry excuse to leave a sour taste with many of your customers. And this is not some unpopular change that needs to be implemented for the greater good, for balancing or gameplay reasons. It is just a design change that has no actual solid reasoning while annoying the greater part of your customers.
Summary
I couldn-¦t come up with any valid arguments why this would be a desirable change. If you have these arguments, then please let us know. I think the reception for this change would be much greater if people understood why they are necessary. Until then i can say nothing more but: Keep the old models until you develop new versions of these exact models. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
22
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Posted - 2013.10.25 12:30:00 -
[572] - Quote
Lara Feng wrote:^ the above text ^
I could not agree more. I tried to calm down. To let it sink in.... I just can't get along with that... And the worst thing is that there is ZERO communication from CCP...
The explanation they gave us for the changes is indeed complete nuts... And as the post above states, it would be much easier to get along with that if we would have some reasonable explanation. I would still not fly the Slurricane unless the future new model would get HUGE upgrade and will only barely resemble the Hurricane hull (if at all)....
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
188
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Posted - 2013.10.25 22:16:00 -
[573] - Quote
im tired of this game getting darker and darker. i want the freaking GOLD paint back on the abso, not this crap color shiney brown. and i really want the BRIGHT red back on the abso, AS WELL as the guardian. the guardian litterly looks like a flying turd |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
401
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:48:00 -
[574] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:im tired of this game getting darker and darker. i want the freaking GOLD paint back on the abso, not this crap color shiney brown. and i really want the BRIGHT red back on the abso, AS WELL as the guardian. the guardian litterly looks like a flying turd Darker and quieter. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.25 23:56:00 -
[575] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:im tired of this game getting darker and darker. i want the freaking GOLD paint back on the abso, not this crap color shiney brown. and i really want the BRIGHT red back on the abso, AS WELL as the guardian. the guardian litterly looks like a flying turd
My guess they hired a couple artists about a year ago who liked darker colours. To be honest, it makes sense for ships to be dark.
Though I don't think camouflage is a big deal in deep space, dark would seem better.
That being said, the absolution was a fantastic looking ship. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Unknown Contact1
Odins Auge
0
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Posted - 2013.10.26 15:12:00 -
[576] - Quote
Ferox hull has edges, spikes, is ugly, it looks like a machine build for one purpose: war. Drake hull is boring. No one wants more Drake hulls out there.
Dislike!
Cheerio |
Daemon Ceed
TunDraGon
361
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Posted - 2013.10.26 21:44:00 -
[577] - Quote
No, not my Sleipnir! I fly the Hurricane all of the time, and the distinct visual difference between that and my Sleipnir is huge to me. Lets not forget as well, the Sleipnir really gained a huge popularity boost during AT IX when utilized with ASBs. While the ships in Eve don't always fit the descriptions of their names, the current Sleipnir hull looks a lot closer to an "Eight legged mythical horse" than the Hurricane. If anything, I'd take the Claymore and make that a Hurricane hull it's hull is more swordlike and edged.
Personally, I think changing the hulls of any of the command ships is only going to cause more confusion and is generally a "bad" idea, but take into consideration the ship's popularity as it currently stands and also the name and shape association. People have over the years developed an emotional connection to not only how their ship operates, but how it looks. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
443
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:14:00 -
[578] - Quote
I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs? -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Saberlily Whyteshadow
Novum Matutinus
8
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Posted - 2013.10.27 16:18:00 -
[579] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs?
Its because CCP art department is bland and has no ideas of there own. So they would reskin old ships and call it new.. Im sure its the same art department that would cry if they removed the dust clouds in space, cause they worked hard on it.. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
31
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:35:00 -
[580] - Quote
Amarr no opinion.
I love the Caldari = Evil Vengeful Drake Gallente = Beautiful Inspiring Myrmidon
The Sleip, I'm not real impressed. I hear most pilots like the cyclone hull, might have something to do with running active on cyclone/sleip and Hurricane is usually fit as a buffer armor brawler. Therefore it seems the Hurricane fits with the smooth metallic and heavy looks of a Star Destroyer.
The way people fit the Sleip, the fins of the cyclone and its unusual face go with it. But if you are going to go with a Hurricane hull, the navy Hurricane is already camo.
Make the color scheme and the solar panels evil and satanic looking. Pvp pilots love to fly this thing and it takes quite a bit of skill training.
This is what the Sleip should look like: http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/ob/satan/Anton_LaVey_photo.jpg
In short Hurricane hull looks like a ship with heavy armor, cyclone hull looks like a ship with electronics/shields. Just my opinion, send me a billion isk |
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:16:00 -
[581] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs?
That's the truly boneheaded part about this whole issue. According to CCP, they are planning to make new models for these command ships, so right now they are going through all of this mess to change these hulls, only to change them again! Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
319
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Posted - 2013.10.28 22:42:00 -
[582] - Quote
i want new models for all of my t2 ships "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Kiithnaras
Black Ice Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:21:00 -
[583] - Quote
Looks pretty darn cool; Though I second the need for more Awesome on the Sleipnir, and I shall lament the loss of the Red Prophecy of Doom - That beast was awesome. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
78
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Posted - 2013.10.29 18:50:00 -
[584] - Quote
Rivr Luzade wrote:[quote=Rivr Luzade]So, if these models really must be used... Can we at least get rid of the following on the Harbinger model for both the Harbinger and the new Absolution? Harbinger Front FlawsYes, I am well aware that the upper flaw comes from the fact that 3D artists only do 1 half of the actual model and than just mirror it, but can't the do a better job at assigning and smoothening the borders? And what is this chiloschisis at the end of the pick for? |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
58
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:24:00 -
[585] - Quote
i'm thoroughly dissapointed in their replacement of current abso model with harbies. since i rather liked the blood red and golden tinted "eagle head" silhuette that Abso has |
Hexatron Ormand
aetas nova Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
29
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Posted - 2013.10.31 10:28:00 -
[586] - Quote
I think those look pretty amazing. Let me give some personal opinions about them:
- The Eos as Mymridon almost seems "thats how it should have always been" like.
- I like the color scheme on the harbinger, even though it could use some tweaks on turret placement, for better looks.
- Was never such a huge fan of the Drake look wise, but i have to say that in this color scheme it looks really cool. So the nighthawk turned out better than i thought it would.
- The sleipnir though.. i am a bit underwhelmed by it, especially now that there is a fleet issue hurricane that also has a camo-print. I really hope that it gets a lot of love in the "t2 grafics upgrade" pass sometimes later, cause otherwise i have to say that this one is lacking a little.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
922
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:46:00 -
[587] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:I don't understand why we don't just create nice unique new models for these instead of tapping other ships. Does it save resource memory to reuse already in service designs? That's the truly boneheaded part about this whole issue. According to CCP, they are planning to make new models for these command ships, so right now they are going through all of this mess to change these hulls, only to change them again!
The difference is that this change puts the command ships into the new paradigm (new hulls but also the manufacturing and invention changes) right now and leaves the future change as simply shipping out updated models - exactly like how the new Marauder models happened. There won't be any "mess" in the future with this.
I am of course hoping that the Art Department comes up with something really good for the Command Ships - all eight of them - when it's time to give them their proper T2-modified hull models. While I love the Hurricane hull, I do admit it needs.. something more as the great and venerable Sleipnir beyond just the Brutor-style solar wings. |
AnJuan Jackson
Disingenuous Assertions
54
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Posted - 2013.11.05 01:32:00 -
[588] - Quote
Thank you!!!!
I asked for this about a year ago I believe, to make the Hurricane one of the commandship models.
My prayers were answered. I never doubted you CPP Gods. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
26
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:30:00 -
[589] - Quote
Why does everything except this get 2nd updated iteration after receiving such negative player feedback? At least an "It's gonna stay suck it up" from official source would be nice... Just getting more and more disappointing... |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
371
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Posted - 2013.11.08 12:54:00 -
[590] - Quote
Grarr Dexx wrote:The Sleipnir shouldn't have its hull swapped around. Can't you make an exception and turn the Claymore into that instead? You've done it for Gallente with the navy battlecruisers, before.
Best idear ever.
The Sleipnir has been very used and very known in the 6 years iv played. I would fell a huge lose if this hull is changed to the hurricane.
Think about the Classic Alliance Tournament, where there was no doubt once the Sleipnir teams was used. The Cyclone hull for the Sleirpir has become an icon in EVE, please do not change this, change the Claymore if any. |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
307
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Posted - 2013.11.08 15:00:00 -
[591] - Quote
I personally love the new ASB-cane, errr Sleipnir. It's just to amazing to fly it again, this time for real (with doubleneuts and invuln and 3 gyros and all that fancy stuff).
Undocking the new sleip for the first time was a shock, have to admit. Felt like riding pure heresy, but quickly got used to it and now I'm sadface about my TQ sleips :( Cannot wait.
The Eos though is a gorgeous piece of tritanium, that for sure. |
Joanna RB
Twenty Questions Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
10
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:15:00 -
[592] - Quote
Westerly Winds wrote:Literally un-subbing this account after this post. Why is the drake model EVEN IN THE GAME? I swear this art department...
I bet if you showed a picture or a 3D model of a drake to 100 non-eve players noone would guess it was supposed to be a spaceship... |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
298
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:35:00 -
[593] - Quote
Joanna RB wrote:Westerly Winds wrote:Literally un-subbing this account after this post. Why is the drake model EVEN IN THE GAME? I swear this art department... I bet if you showed a picture or a 3D model of a drake to 100 non-eve players noone would guess it was supposed to be a spaceship... I'd take that bet. |
Alkampfer 1
Chronos Committee.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:04:00 -
[594] - Quote
Do i really need to send some Vikings to Iceland to loot,rapGé¼ and pilage CCP offices?!
If you dont have any new models for command ships then leave them alone,at least my Nighthawk.Leave the "lets switch one model for another and slap some pretty paint on and voila - new texture command ship" mode of work and make new models and then draw new textures for them. Or if you are too lazy for that at least create a model combining parts of two ore more existing models together. |
El Jin'meiko
Filthy Casuals
4
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:19:00 -
[595] - Quote
I rather like the way you say you don't have time to implement the changes while posting what I can only assume are the finished retextures (call it what they are). Does this mean that between this post and the release date you honestly can't take the meagre time it should take for a company such as CCP to actually complete? |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:49:00 -
[596] - Quote
El Jin'meiko wrote:I rather like the way you say you don't have time to implement the changes . . . ? Where did he say that? |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
484
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:26:00 -
[597] - Quote
Viva la Waffle Iron! |
Madhero
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
0
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Posted - 2013.11.11 18:45:00 -
[598] - Quote
The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all): Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible.
This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion.
For manufactors like my corp with BPO's to invent Command ships say the "cyclone" to make the Sleipnir or the Claymore will not now have to get the Hurricane BPO's to make furture Sleipnirs and Claymores? Which we have, but for others who don't have all BPO's will have to adjusts to the new base ship BPO to make any furture Command ships?
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Ragnar Alestorm
Bacon Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:33:00 -
[599] - Quote
seriously...
the absolution as it is right now is one of the most beautiful ships in the whole game. and it looks like a brick. a brick of pure awesome. just like its tank -> changed to a golden turd
the nighthawk always had something special about it...i feel like the ferox hull really goes well with the name -> changed to a dull pseudo drake
the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.
and finally the eos....by far the best change. which is not that hard. see above. myrm hull is awesome. and underused. im cool with that.
of course.....all of the above statements are purely subjective...BUT! we already got the same hulls (except the myrm of course.) reskinned as faction battlecruisers (which are stupid in general...i mean come on, why nerf ships and re-release the unnerfed variation as faction? ....sounds silly right?), so WHY do we need them AGAIN?
gg wp ccp. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1036
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Posted - 2013.11.12 13:51:00 -
[600] - Quote
Ragnar Alestorm wrote: the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.
What I really don't understand about this complaint - which keeps coming up again and again, btw - is why nobody complains about the color scheme being bad or meh until it appears on a Hurricane hull. It's the same exact color scheme that the Cyclone-based Sleipnir has RIGHT NOW on TQ! |
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Ragnar Alestorm
Bacon Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.12 14:04:00 -
[601] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Ragnar Alestorm wrote: the sleipnir........is the sleipnir. the hull itself doesnt look that good but somehow it became so iconic and badass, its not even funny. -> changed to a cane (which looks awesome, but still.......its just not the same.) with a VERY meh color scheme.
What I really don't understand about this complaint - which keeps coming up again and again, btw - is why nobody complains about the color scheme being bad or meh until it appears on a Hurricane hull. It's the same exact color scheme that the Cyclone-based Sleipnir has RIGHT NOW on TQ!
probably because its clearly visible on the huge surface area of the hurricane model. |
Cassiel Seraphim
EVE University Ivy League
13
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Posted - 2013.11.13 11:28:00 -
[602] - Quote
Hulls have such history and are in most cases very iconic in EVE, this was a poor choice in my opinion. It would have been easier to swallow getting your favourite hull ripped from right under you, if it had been replaced with a new model, not just a re-skinned lesser hull.
It won't be the same to sit in the harbinger-hulled Absolution next week, nor the drake-hulled Nighthawk, the hurricane-hulled Sleipnir or the myrmidon-hulled Eos.
Anyway, moot point, I guess I'm just posting this for posterity, to show my disappointment.
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Sauron Bauglir
Z Special
5
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Posted - 2013.11.13 13:49:00 -
[603] - Quote
Harby. Yes. Omg please yes. |
PavlikX
You are in da lock
105
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Posted - 2013.11.13 15:03:00 -
[604] - Quote
Harby. No. Omg please no. |
Sagara Shouhey
Horse Forces
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 08:34:00 -
[605] - Quote
Bloody Harb !!!! yehaa!!
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Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:57:00 -
[606] - Quote
I havn't read the whole whole thread but I just want to say the Claymore should have the hurricane skin because, well, the hurricane looks like a Claymore. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
34
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:56:00 -
[607] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Aesheera wrote: Also, why 3 fleet Commands and 1 combat Command redesign? Consistency would make more sense: all fleets or all combats adopting new hulls.
There are no longer such things as fleet or combat command ships. That distinction was removed when we rebalanced the class. And just to be clear we're still early on and nothing is set in stone at this point. What I don't want to do however is make kneejerk changes before more people have had a chance to try them out and give the alternate hulls a chance on Sisi.. Take the time to check them out on Sisi and let the idea settle in, keep letting us know what you think. We will continue to be taking feedback for quite a while.
8th of October was the last dev reply.... We are not that early anymore... . You did not even mention it in yesterdays stream... Can you at least kill my hope, that it will NOT be implemented, so I can enjoy the last few days in my Sleipnir without worrying what's gonna happen in Rubicon???
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Ju0ZaS
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
32
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Posted - 2013.11.15 18:06:00 -
[608] - Quote
I wish CCP would spend more time on their t2 models rather than simply giving them a reskin. Adding some extra parts would be nice. Like the Ishtar and Zealot have extra thrusters for example, but add some thing else for variety. Like, idk, an extra claw on the other side on the Zealot, making it simetrical, looking cooler and ultimately better than the t1 ship. The Ishtar could use a change in it's hull, making it seem like it really has a bigger drone bay than the Vexor. Are you going to fight me or do you expect to bore me to death with your forum pvp? |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
136
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Posted - 2013.11.17 02:30:00 -
[609] - Quote
So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado? |
Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
428
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Posted - 2013.11.17 06:14:00 -
[610] - Quote
Krystyn wrote:So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado?
NO.
NO GOD.
NO GOD PLEASE NO.
NOOOOOOOOO |
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
778
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Posted - 2013.11.17 12:38:00 -
[611] - Quote
Aglais wrote:Krystyn wrote:So now that there is a decent reason to own BPOs of each of the normal Battlecruisers. Aesthetics aside each standard BC has a T2 variant of some kind.
Now that begs the question when are we going to see T2 versions of the Talos, Naga, Oracle, and Tornado? NO. NO GOD. NO GOD PLEASE NO. NOOOOOOOOO
why not? T2 versions do not need to be related to the t1 . They would not even need to use battleship guns.
Just find a nice role for htem and there is no good reason to not have them
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1099
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Posted - 2013.11.17 12:44:00 -
[612] - Quote
Ju0ZaS wrote:I wish CCP would spend more time on their t2 models rather than simply giving them a reskin. Adding some extra parts would be nice. Like the Ishtar and Zealot have extra thrusters for example, but add some thing else for variety. Like, idk, an extra claw on the other side on the Zealot, making it simetrical, looking cooler and ultimately better than the t1 ship. The Ishtar could use a change in it's hull, making it seem like it really has a bigger drone bay than the Vexor.
Making completely new models with completely new looks takes a long time - especially when you consider that every new model the art department makes also has some kind of animation built into it. It took them a little over six months to make the new Paladin and Golem. |
aizaku
KITAY Syndicate Darkness. Citizens
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:17:00 -
[613] - Quote
CCP please.. I'm begging you not to change Sleipnir .. you already did bad stuff to it by changing Cyclone to missle boat and adding cr*p ton of required skills to Sleipnir.. Please don't make Sleipnir ugly .. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
69
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:18:00 -
[614] - Quote
Abso you poor thing, what have they done to you! |
aizaku
KITAY Syndicate Darkness. Citizens
2
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Posted - 2013.11.17 13:53:00 -
[615] - Quote
And worst of all that they won't even read this forum.. they will just make these changes with words "Deal with it!" and troll face. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
36
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:48:00 -
[616] - Quote
Dear CCP, thanks for listening to the overwhelmingly positive feedback in this thread.
/sarcasm off
You know I was following the thread from the very beginning and I was hoping you will change your mind because the overall feeling from this was so negative.
A lot of the positive feedback comes from people who simply wish to have t2 versions of 'cane, drake and the others. So you will make them happy but at the same time the people who actually fly the command ships usually disagree. not every time of course. It's like me.... I spent all my training so far on Sleipnir and I did love the ship. So I'm completely against the change. I do not really care about any of the other CS, 'cause I don't fly them...
So.. maybe you should listen to poeple who actually already fly the ships and not those who will now go for them because they get they favorite hull in t2...
Not to mention there is NULL response from you.
Disappointed very much. A lot of my training was rendered useless... GG CCP. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1106
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:03:00 -
[617] - Quote
You probably missed the original thread. The response there was overwhelmingly positive. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
591
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Posted - 2013.11.17 20:22:00 -
[618] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:You probably missed the original thread. The response there was overwhelmingly positive. Viva la 'Waffle Iron'! I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Robyn Solette
Zombieland.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:25:00 -
[619] - Quote
So unbelievably unhappy with the new Sleipnir look. I mean, if I wanted to fly a Hurricane, I would. I wish CCP had just left it alone until the final "new" changes are ready. I just can't fly it with it looking that way. Anyone want a 2 Bill Sleipnir, I'm putting it up on contracts in Jita. |
Veinnail
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
79
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:26:00 -
[620] - Quote
Quote: As part of these changes:
The Absolution now has a Carthum Harbinger hull The Eos now has a CreoDron Myrmidon hull. The Nighthawk now has a Kaalakiota Drake hull. The Sleipnir now has a Boundless Creations Hurricane hull.
Im sure you meant the Astarte, or will the the eos now be the 1 warefare link hull, and the Astarte fit 3x? |
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Steve Spooner
Mordu's Military Industrial Command SpaceMonkey's Alliance
136
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Posted - 2013.11.18 16:41:00 -
[621] - Quote
I saw Drake, and then I wept. |
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
5
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:22:00 -
[622] - Quote
I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite change in Rubicon
Was about time we get a T2 Cane hull But it sure could use some extra fluff to make it look a bit more badass - to me it looks like only the texture changed. It needs extra fins or something like the T2 Pest |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1118
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:24:00 -
[623] - Quote
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite change in Rubicon
Was about time we get a T2 Cane hull
I don't know about others, but I was certain I'd never fly a Sleipnir. It was hideous.
Now it's at the top of my "to-buy" list right beside a Bastion Vargur. |
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
5
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:26:00 -
[624] - Quote
Not a huge fan of the Cyclone hull myself but the Sleipnir is a great ship and I'm not like my girlfriend that only uses the Pokemon that look cute ;) |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1118
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:32:00 -
[625] - Quote
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:Not a huge fan of the Cyclone hull myself but the Sleipnir is a great ship and I'm not like my girlfriend that only uses the Pokemon that look cute ;)
I am almost completely certain that I would never use the Pok+¬mon that look cute. Then again, I never use any Pok+¬mon so I'm not sure it actually matters what I'd use. |
Alkampfer 1
Chronos Committee.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:43:00 -
[626] - Quote
" opening up options for our art team in the future.." or CCP way of saying "Suck it" and wait,new command ship models or end of the world,whichever comes first. Poor Abso,poor Nighthawk,ill miss your looks |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
26
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:48:00 -
[627] - Quote
The change is good, not much to say there. I already had the Damnation on my list of "ships to skill for", now I added the Eos, too. (I'm a huge fan of the Myrmidon-hull.)
Too bad about the Absolution, rest in peace, little laser chicken.
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Aplier Shivra
34
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:58:00 -
[628] - Quote
Absolution is the only place I'm strongly opinionated on. And it sucks. The gold and crimson hawk's beak is such an iconic image to possess, along with the short, large body that fans out into wings. For this ship to lose such an iconic piece of itself hurts bad enough, but the fact that it's getting replaced by a model who's primary design function is in showcasing all six weapon hardpoints working in harmony is just salt in the wound. Especially with how visible lasers are in space, the 5 weapons will look completely out of place on harbinger's hull, no matter what is done for that 6th or 7th slot, it will always feel like something is missing. On the prophecy hull, 6 turrets still looked best, but even with 5 you could still fill up the 4 on the wings and have one fire from the middle, which was tolerable. But there is simply no way to get 5 turrets to look aesthetically pleasing with the hardpoints that harbinger has.
The rest of the hull looks great, I'd say the color scheme has been applied extraordinarily well, the overall shape is pretty good, and I absolutely love the locations of the thrusters. That empty 6 weapon hardpoint on the wings just kills it. So please (although I'm sure it's too late), please look into moving one of the new Absolution-harbinger's wing high slots to be along the middle, and adjusting the remaining 5 on the wings to be more aesthetic and organized-looking. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1119
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Posted - 2013.11.18 19:36:00 -
[629] - Quote
Aplier Shivra wrote:Absolution is the only place I'm strongly opinionated on. And it sucks. The gold and crimson hawk's beak is such an iconic image to possess, along with the short, large body that fans out into wings. For this ship to lose such an iconic piece of itself hurts bad enough, but the fact that it's getting replaced by a model who's primary design function is in showcasing all six weapon hardpoints working in harmony is just salt in the wound. Especially with how visible lasers are in space, the 5 weapons will look completely out of place on harbinger's hull, no matter what is done for that 6th or 7th slot, it will always feel like something is missing. On the prophecy hull, 6 turrets still looked best, but even with 5 you could still fill up the 4 on the wings and have one fire from the middle, which was tolerable. But there is simply no way to get 5 turrets to look aesthetically pleasing with the hardpoints that harbinger has.
The rest of the hull looks great, I'd say the color scheme has been applied extraordinarily well, the overall shape is pretty good, and I absolutely love the locations of the thrusters. That empty 6 weapon hardpoint on the wings just kills it. So please (although I'm sure it's too late), please look into moving one of the new Absolution-harbinger's wing high slots to be along the middle, and adjusting the remaining 5 on the wings to be more aesthetic and organized-looking.
From left to right in the fitting window, try this:
Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret
It's better balanced than having five turrets out on the wingtips, although I always thought cramming six turrets into one spot like that was a little crowded anyhow.
It also has the extra bonus of letting you overheat your turrets longer. |
Aplier Shivra
34
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:05:00 -
[630] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
From left to right in the fitting window, try this:
Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret | No Turret | Turret | Turret
It's better balanced than having five turrets out on the wingtips, although I always thought cramming six turrets into one spot like that was a little crowded anyhow.
It also has the extra bonus of letting you overheat your turrets longer.
I've tried that, and everything possible. There's no way to get 5 turrets to look good on the wings, and I can't stand having one in the middle (especially not where the middle hardpoints are) when there are open wingspots. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. In the case of lasers, because of their visibility, I actually think it's pretty cool to have them all grouped up nice and tight, it makes them seem to meld together into one giant laser beam. I feel like the design of the harbinger is like the Abaddon, in that part of its iconic look and feel are how it showcases all of the turrets physically grouped together and firing in sync. But think of how the Abaddon would look if you randomly took out one or two of the non-end turret hardpoints and just left the empty spot there. That's how it feels flying a harbinger hull with only 5 turrets. |
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Goran Konjich
Imperial Collective
67
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:09:00 -
[631] - Quote
THIS IS CRAP ... i am sorry but i really don't know how to say it differently. I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE. |
XeonSA
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.11.18 23:15:00 -
[632] - Quote
Another really bad decision from ccp. do u ever listen to u'r player base before u implement bogus ideas like this? Grats on losing players since 2011 |
Miner Felhorn
State Protectorate Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:41:00 -
[633] - Quote
I liked my nighthawk's model :( |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
610
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Posted - 2013.11.19 06:49:00 -
[634] - Quote
Miner Felhorn wrote:I liked my nighthawk's model :( You'll learn to love the new and improved waffle iron. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1135
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Posted - 2013.11.19 07:17:00 -
[635] - Quote
XeonSA wrote:Another really bad decision from ccp. do u ever listen to u'r player base before u implement bogus ideas like this? Grats on losing players since 2011
Contrary to your belief, this is CCP listening to their players. This was brought up in a previous thread and it was overwhelmingly popular. It was tweeted, it was broadcasted all over the forums, it was on YouTube and it was on Reddit as well as spammed in lots of ingame chat channels. Don't complain because you arrived late to the party. |
Hammar Wolf
Money First The Marmite Collective
64
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Posted - 2013.11.19 13:59:00 -
[636] - Quote
Badideas.com - nobody wants to trade in the look of the Absolution or the Sleipnir for the harbinger and hurricane. Harby guns slots look terrible too. Eos for Myrmidon? I can see its market price dropping already.
This whole change is an answer to a question that was not asked.
Smack talk to me gently, I'm new at this. |
Siicko
Shadow Stalkers Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:16:00 -
[637] - Quote
The absolution model change is a disappointment. I like the old model better. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
37
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Posted - 2013.11.20 17:45:00 -
[638] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:XeonSA wrote:Another really bad decision from ccp. do u ever listen to u'r player base before u implement bogus ideas like this? Grats on losing players since 2011 Contrary to your belief, this is CCP listening to their players. This was brought up in a previous thread and it was overwhelmingly popular. It was tweeted, it was broadcasted all over the forums, it was on YouTube and it was on Reddit as well as spammed in lots of ingame chat channels. Don't complain because you arrived late to the party.
I arrived early to that party and following it since I do not see the overwhelmingly positive feedback. What I saw was huge demand on T2 BC for the alternate hulls. So a new T2 BC for those hulls would cause exactly the same euphoria which CCP thought is caused by the model switch on Command ships.
Just reintroducing modified Field Commands for this would do the trick... drop the link bonuses so they do not interfere with the Command line of BC, give it some sig bonus as role bonus, name it Assault Battlecruisers and everyone is happy.
Right now you destroyed numerous ICONIC ships for no real reason... Well played CCP. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Ramiel Wayfarer
0
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:11:00 -
[639] - Quote
It goes from bad to worse...Change the damn command ships back to how they were before the patch
You messed up CCP
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Ramiel Wayfarer
0
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:13:00 -
[640] - Quote
Siicko wrote:The absolution model change is a disappointment. I like the old model better.
99% of us do....CCP messed up
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Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
618
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Posted - 2013.11.20 19:18:00 -
[641] - Quote
Is there a reason we couldn't just select the hulls and color schemes on T2 ships? I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Kane Fenris
NWP
118
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Posted - 2013.11.20 22:58:00 -
[642] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there a reason we couldn't just select the hulls and color schemes on T2 ships?
dunno i sugested that both ships could be invented from both prints with just the hulls different (like ammo selectable)
but i dont think ccp likes it out of consistency and effort they'd to put in... |
SOL Ranger
SOL.
130
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Posted - 2013.11.20 23:09:00 -
[643] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there a reason we couldn't just select the hulls and color schemes on T2 ships?
Picking a hull is asking too much and I'd not like the loss of consistency, even if it would be convenient its just wrong.
Picking a paint job would make me happy to say the least, picking the color scheme for a non-trivial cost as an added ISK sink would benefit EVE as a whole as well, I don't believe it would be a bad thing to allow this for all ships, just that the T2/faction paint jobs would cost more to apply.
The Vargur requires launcher hardpoints, following tempest tradition.
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Red Bluesteel
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.11.21 03:56:00 -
[644] - Quote
TFK Killermaster wrote:Post 1/2 CCP Fozzie wrote: I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
German Was soll das ? Bei jedem Patch werden irgendwelche Schiffsh++llen ver+ñndert oder bestehende H++llen, anderen Schiffen zugeordnet. Das ist eine emense Verschwendung von Entwicklungszeit und ISK, die sagt mir mein Gef++hl. Was soll daran positiv sein das ich mich viele Jahre an ein Schiffsdesign gew+¦hnt habe und ihr total lustlos einfach mal die H++llen tauscht. Sorry das h+¦rt sich f++r mich nach 0815 Redesign an und nicht nach Neuentwicklung. Warum werden nicht endlich mal die Sachen angegangen die uns Spielern schon so lange auf den Magen schl+ñgt. Wof++r wurde damals der Schiffsdesignwettbewerb ins Leben gerufen ??? Da gab es so viele tolle Designs die man h+ñtte in Eve Umsetzen k+¦nnen. Ich weis echt nicht was der Unsinn, den ihr da veranstaltet eigentlich soll. Ich weis ja nicht wie lange Eure Creativlosen Schiffdesigner aktuell brauchen um ein neues Schiffsdesign zu entwickeln. Ich f++r mein Teil w++rde sagen mit 3D Studio Max ben+¦tige ich ca. 5 Stunden f++r eine komplett neue Schiffh++lle im Low Poligon Mesh. eventuell noch weitere 5 Stunden f++r ein entsprechendes Skindesign im DDS Format. Wenn Ihr keine Ideen mehr f++r doppelte Schiffsh++llen habt, dann fragt die Community, Hier gibt es mehr als genug Creative K+¦pfe die gern Ihr eigenes Schiffsdesign in EVE wieder sehen w++rden. Also veranstaltet doch mal wieder einen Wettbewerb in diese Richtung und holt Euch da neue H++llen, f++r die Commandschiffe und andere Schiffe die aktuell in doppelter Form schon total sinnlos existieren. Diese k+¦nnt Ihr ja dann im n+ñchsten Patch so einflie+ƒen lassen sodas viele sich dar++ber freuen werden mal komplett neue Designs zu sehen. Dinge die endlich mal umgesetzt werden m++ssen!!! 1. BUGS korrigieren !!!!!!!! 2. Posstrukturumbau 3. Corp Rechte System schon ewig ++berf+ñllig !!!! Das alte ist eine Katastrophe..... 4. Walking on Station endlich umsetzen !!! Seit der ersten Ank++ndigung warte ich auch Ergebnisse ....... 5. Ich hab mit CCP Phantom in K+¦ln lang und breit ++ber einige Ideen und bekannte Probleme gesprochen. Ich sehe nicht einen Punkt davon in der Patchliste das sich da irgendwas daran ge+ñndert h+ñtte..... Was ist mit dem Personal Hanga Array, wann wird es endlich mal richtig einsatzf+ñhig sodas man es sinnvoll nutzen kann. Ohne das die Member Ihr Material verlieren wenn es abgebaut wird ? 6. Wo bleibt den mal ein Gegenst++ck zum PHA , z.B. ein Personal Shipmaintaince Array ???? 7. Ich warte immer noch auf Alliance Bookmarks.... +£berfl+++ƒiges... 1. Was zum geier soll das mit den Zertifikaten ? Das ist sowas von total ++berfl+++ƒig !!!! Ich habe 0 Nutzen davon. Ich kann weder mit Zertifikaten, PVP betreiben noch ISK verdienen. Viele sagen das selbe, TOTAL ++berfl+++ƒig!!!!! 2. Ihr sagt ihr wollt das Game Anf+ñngerfreundlicher machen ??? Was hat ein Anf+ñnger davon wenn er sieht welche Schiffe er nicht fliegen kann? NICHTS !!! Er muss diese trotzdem Skillen und daf++r haben wir den Markt und den Skillbaum um zu sehen wie weit wir sind. 3. Schiffsh++llen tausch Viel ++berfl+++ƒiges Zeug, wo jede Menge Zeit und Geld verschwendet werden, anstatt endlich mal die Baustellen anzugreifen die Ihr schon Jahre lang vor Euch herschiebt und nicht vollendet. Nein mit jedem halben Jahr was verstreicht sieht man wieder neue Baustellen die Ihr Euch selber schafft und nicht finalisiert. Es mag sein das viele hier anders dar++ber denken, aber viele sehen es auch genauso wie ich, dass Ihr total an der Community vorbei entwickelt! Wof++r fragt Ihr uns eigentlich ++berhaupt noch was wir davon finden. Ihr schaft Euch doch eh nur neue Baustellen und geht nie wirklich auf die Community ein. Ihr solltet Euch mal langsam am Riemen rei+ƒen und schauen das Eure ganzen Buggy Baustellen finalisiert werden. Denn sonst m++sst Ihr Euch bald keine Sorgen mehr um Anf+ñngerfreundlichkeit machen sondern, wie halten wir unsere langj+ñhrigen Spieler bei der Stange damit diese nicht zu anderen Spielen abwandern......!!!!!! Aber wenn Ihr kein Interesse daran habt den Spielern was sinnvolles zu Pr+ñsentieren dann fahrt Euren Server herunter und entlasst s+ñmtliche Mitarbeiter schlie+ƒt die Firma und beendet dieses Game mit einem Schlag. Oder denkt mal dar++ber nach, endlich mal Eure Baustellen zu beenden, worauf die Community schon lange wartet !!!!!!!! Sorry people, but this **** here with me also generated very strong negative feelings. That is why I write the Google translater use in my native language and unfortunately it has
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Shidiro Ironfist
HYPERICUM Biotech Research Co.
9
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Posted - 2013.11.25 03:28:00 -
[645] - Quote
Red Bluesteel wrote:TFK Killermaster wrote:Post 1/2 CCP Fozzie wrote: I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive. Let us know what you think.
German Was soll das ? Bei jedem Patch werden irgendwelche Schiffsh++llen ver+ñndert oder bestehende H++llen, anderen Schiffen zugeordnet. Das ist eine emense Verschwendung von Entwicklungszeit und ISK, die sagt mir mein Gef++hl. Was soll daran positiv sein das ich mich viele Jahre an ein Schiffsdesign gew+¦hnt habe und ihr total lustlos einfach mal die H++llen tauscht. Sorry das h+¦rt sich f++r mich nach 0815 Redesign an und nicht nach Neuentwicklung. Warum werden nicht endlich mal die Sachen angegangen die uns Spielern schon so lange auf den Magen schl+ñgt. Wof++r wurde damals der Schiffsdesignwettbewerb ins Leben gerufen ??? Da gab es so viele tolle Designs die man h+ñtte in Eve Umsetzen k+¦nnen. Ich weis echt nicht was der Unsinn, den ihr da veranstaltet eigentlich soll. Ich weis ja nicht wie lange Eure Creativlosen Schiffdesigner aktuell brauchen um ein neues Schiffsdesign zu entwickeln. Ich f++r mein Teil w++rde sagen mit 3D Studio Max ben+¦tige ich ca. 5 Stunden f++r eine komplett neue Schiffh++lle im Low Poligon Mesh. eventuell noch weitere 5 Stunden f++r ein entsprechendes Skindesign im DDS Format. Wenn Ihr keine Ideen mehr f++r doppelte Schiffsh++llen habt, dann fragt die Community, Hier gibt es mehr als genug Creative K+¦pfe die gern Ihr eigenes Schiffsdesign in EVE wieder sehen w++rden. Also veranstaltet doch mal wieder einen Wettbewerb in diese Richtung und holt Euch da neue H++llen, f++r die Commandschiffe und andere Schiffe die aktuell in doppelter Form schon total sinnlos existieren. Diese k+¦nnt Ihr ja dann im n+ñchsten Patch so einflie+ƒen lassen sodas viele sich dar++ber freuen werden mal komplett neue Designs zu sehen. Dinge die endlich mal umgesetzt werden m++ssen!!! 1. BUGS korrigieren !!!!!!!! 2. Posstrukturumbau 3. Corp Rechte System schon ewig ++berf+ñllig !!!! Das alte ist eine Katastrophe..... 4. Walking on Station endlich umsetzen !!! Seit der ersten Ank++ndigung warte ich auch Ergebnisse ....... 5. Ich hab mit CCP Phantom in K+¦ln lang und breit ++ber einige Ideen und bekannte Probleme gesprochen. Ich sehe nicht einen Punkt davon in der Patchliste das sich da irgendwas daran ge+ñndert h+ñtte..... Was ist mit dem Personal Hanga Array, wann wird es endlich mal richtig einsatzf+ñhig sodas man es sinnvoll nutzen kann. Ohne das die Member Ihr Material verlieren wenn es abgebaut wird ? 6. Wo bleibt den mal ein Gegenst++ck zum PHA , z.B. ein Personal Shipmaintaince Array ???? 7. Ich warte immer noch auf Alliance Bookmarks.... +£berfl+++ƒiges... 1. Was zum geier soll das mit den Zertifikaten ? Das ist sowas von total ++berfl+++ƒig !!!! Ich habe 0 Nutzen davon. Ich kann weder mit Zertifikaten, PVP betreiben noch ISK verdienen. Viele sagen das selbe, TOTAL ++berfl+++ƒig!!!!! 2. Ihr sagt ihr wollt das Game Anf+ñngerfreundlicher machen ??? Was hat ein Anf+ñnger davon wenn er sieht welche Schiffe er nicht fliegen kann? NICHTS !!! Er muss diese trotzdem Skillen und daf++r haben wir den Markt und den Skillbaum um zu sehen wie weit wir sind. 3. Schiffsh++llen tausch Viel ++berfl+++ƒiges Zeug, wo jede Menge Zeit und Geld verschwendet werden, anstatt endlich mal die Baustellen anzugreifen die Ihr schon Jahre lang vor Euch herschiebt und nicht vollendet. Nein mit jedem halben Jahr was verstreicht sieht man wieder neue Baustellen die Ihr Euch selber schafft und nicht finalisiert. Es mag sein das viele hier anders dar++ber denken, aber viele sehen es auch genauso wie ich, dass Ihr total an der Community vorbei entwickelt! Wof++r fragt Ihr uns eigentlich ++berhaupt noch was wir davon finden. Ihr schaft Euch doch eh nur neue Baustellen und geht nie wirklich auf die Community ein. Ihr solltet Euch mal langsam am Riemen rei+ƒen und schauen das Eure ganzen Buggy Baustellen finalisiert werden. Denn sonst m++sst Ihr Euch bald keine Sorgen mehr um Anf+ñngerfreundlichkeit machen sondern, wie halten wir unsere langj+ñhrigen Spieler bei der Stange damit diese nicht zu anderen Spielen abwandern......!!!!!! Aber wenn Ihr kein Interesse daran habt den Spielern was sinnvolles zu Pr+ñsentieren dann fahrt Euren Server herunter und entlasst s+ñmtliche Mitarbeiter schlie+ƒt die Firma und beendet dieses Game mit einem Schlag. Oder denkt mal dar++ber nach, endlich mal Eure Baustellen zu beenden, worauf die Community schon lange wartet !!!!!!!! Sorry people, but this **** here with me also generated very strong negative feelings. That is why I write the Google translater use in my native language and unfortunately it has 1.000.000 % THIS1.000.000 % THIS1.000.000 % THIS1.000.000 % THIS1.000.000 % THIS
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Shidiro Ironfist
HYPERICUM Biotech Research Co.
9
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Posted - 2013.11.25 03:38:00 -
[646] - Quote
Hull Drake already tired like a Huricane .Did not change them . Add for example the new engines or other modules? Or slightly change as was done with the Golem. |
Jacob Mordecai
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:32:00 -
[647] - Quote
Thanks for killing iconic sleipnir. Hurricane hull was already most used hull and now u give us one more. Its not even different from hurricane fleet issue. Cyclone is crap as missile boat and now it's hull is a history. Nicely done! |
Kenshi Hanshin
Karl XII's Dragoner Apocalypse Now.
119
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Posted - 2013.11.27 23:14:00 -
[648] - Quote
Love it! Great work Fozzie and team! Finally the ships look like extensions of their T1 counterparts...now if only there was a T2 version of the old Tier-3 BCs (Oracle, Talos, Tornado and Naga)... |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
346
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Posted - 2013.11.29 09:30:00 -
[649] - Quote
I just googled like 10 search strings to find this thread after my first encounter with an image of the new b**tardized Absolution.
My heart is literally still stuck in my throat.
I have written many times before about my fondness and appreciation for the Prophecy hull and how I think it is one of the most-attractive hulls in the game. Though I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years, I've never owned a command ship. Not one. I get distracted, I biomass, I start a new project, things happen. But at least once a week, I look at them. Piloting a set has been my long-term goal for a very long time and I still load up the info boxes and admire them probably once a week to inspire and motivate my game. It's the goal I'm working toward now.
So when the t1 Prophecy was turned into a drone boat a few months ago I had actual heart palpitations. I don't fly Harbingers because the design is like a giant phallus with wings. I've always flown Prophecies over Harbs. I chose originally to be Amarrian because of the tech design and here one of the most beautiful, dynamic hulls in all of EVE, the eagle of the Amarr fleet, a ship designed to swoop down upon its prey, was now going to be a brick that sits and watches drones fly around. It's ridiculous. But all I hear is how great those Prophecy slowcat fleets are. Wonderful. I'm so thrilled for all you sentry drone lovers. But it was difficult for me to accept and as it still feels counterintuitive, I may never get over it.
The only consolation I have had throughout that entire b.s. ordeal is that there still existed a set of even more-useful, just-as-beautiful prophecy hulls in the command ships. I couldn't fly them yet, but there they were.
Imagine my shocking horrific suprise when I pulled up my little info boxes as I always do to admire my future prophecy hulls and instead discover a few minutes ago that my gorgeous Absolution has been destroyed too and is now an arthrogyposis-inflicted harbinger hull. Oh hell no.
I can't even type out words enough to express my overwhelming dissatisfaction and just wish I had been made aware of this change prior to its happening. You most certainly would have heard from me. I'm going to relocate myself to the F&I section of these forums permanently. I read dev blogs. All of them. But that's not enough. A player must also find time to read hundreds of pages of F&I too because apparently not doing so is dangerous.
Please don't take my damnation away too. Please? Even though it's a Khanid missile boat and everything Amarrian is about turrets and armor, it's literally all I've got left.
No prophecy-hulled laser boats still exist.
tldr?
"****!"
YK "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." |
Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
32
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Posted - 2013.11.29 10:53:00 -
[650] - Quote
Thinking about it more, I think I can live with the Absolution. The Damnation looked better then the old Absolution anyway, so the Absolution getting uglier doesn't change much in the overall scheme of things. |
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd CAStabouts
1250
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Posted - 2013.11.29 11:06:00 -
[651] - Quote
Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull.
You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future.
So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
126
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Posted - 2013.11.29 11:16:00 -
[652] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull. You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future. So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy.
Which would, depending on the outcome, perfectly fine for me. And if I look at the concept of the Condor that circulated around the forum for a short period of time, both hulls can only look great. On the other hand, if I look at the Paladin and the model changes to accommodate the Bastion animation and the bastion animation itself on the Paladin, the future looks bleak as well. In either way, I'm ready to bury any concept under loads of constructive criticism if I don't like them. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
234
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:03:00 -
[653] - Quote
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
346
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Posted - 2013.11.29 21:16:00 -
[654] - Quote
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Fortunately for you, the Damnation isn't going to be changed away from a Prophecy-based hull. You may want to be aware, however, that unique T2 versions of all eight command ships (and for sure, all T2 ships that don't have them) are in the works. For more information, look at the Tempest/Vargur, Megathron/Kronos, Raven/Golem and Apocalypse/Paladin. T2 Reskins are out, T2 Remodels are the future. So the Absolution may end up looking significantly better than the Harbinger and the Damnation will probably look like a next-generation Prophecy.
I hope so.
I hope it doesn't resemble a Harbinger whatsoever.
Because as I have limited missile skills, I'm going to need one. The Absolution was a souped-up version of the Prophecy hull that got snatched away and as it always was a goal - it just became a more-important goal over the past few months. I'm not flying that Harb-variant, no matter how good it is. Asthetics matter more to me than many other things. So now I definately need a new goal. I still think the Damnation is beautiful and sure, I want one. But it's still not the same. When they took the Prophecy, it was my favorite-styled t1 ship and it sucked to lose it. But this time, they killed a 5-year-old dream. I've slept, and I feel better about it, but this still sucks worse. I didn't even get a chance to complain before the change and making a spectacle of yourself after the fact is lame. It's demoralizing. So I probably won't have anything else to add.
The only silver lining is that my interim goal until Dec. 7th is to earn isk for PFG so I'll have another week for this to sink in. I'm just not even going to think about it. I hate it that much.
But if there's any chance the paintball number being fired at Dolan rises too high to guarantee his safety, put me down for shooting the rest at Fozzie.
Ugh.
YK "Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines." |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
38
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:18:00 -
[655] - Quote
Yonis Kador wrote: I hope so.
I hope it doesn't resemble a Harbinger whatsoever.
Because as I have limited missile skills, I'm going to need one. The Absolution was a souped-up version of the Prophecy hull that got snatched away and as it always was a goal - it just became a more-important goal over the past few months. I'm not flying that Harb-variant, no matter how good it is. Asthetics matter more to me than many other things. So now I definately need a new goal. I still think the Damnation is beautiful and sure, I want one. But it's still not the same. When they took the Prophecy, it was my favorite-styled t1 ship and it sucked to lose it. But this time, they killed a 5-year-old dream. I've slept, and I feel better about it, but this still sucks worse. I didn't even get a chance to complain before the change and making a spectacle of yourself after the fact is lame. It's demoralizing. So I probably won't have anything else to add.
The only silver lining is that my interim goal until Dec. 7th is to earn isk for PFG so I'll have another week for this to sink in. I'm just not even going to think about it. I hate it that much.
But if there's any chance the paintball number being fired at Dolan rises too high to guarantee his safety, put me down for shooting the rest at Fozzie.
Ugh.
YK
Insert minmatar variations to your post and you'll have my feelings exactly. And trust me... complaining before the change would not help you anyway as CCP did not listen to complains because of all the overwhelming feedback they supposedly got earlier. I dunno. I was following the change from the beginning. I was against it from the beginning. and I was not alone. But it did not matter at all.
You should be happy. At least you were spared the frustration of being ignored by CCP in your complain and watching them change it anyway.... You got few more months of joy from the old models. I spent them in sorrow every time I sat in Sleipnir just awaiting the inevitable. :/
And yeah it sucks big time and I'm definitely not over it nor would I ever be I guess. Unless the new models are so awesome and hardly resemble the hurricane hull... Which I can't imagine happening...
And CCP remains to be silent on that topic... "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Ellumielle
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:52:00 -
[656] - Quote
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:Insert minmatar variations to your post and you'll have my feelings exactly. And trust me... complaining before the change would not help you anyway as CCP did not listen to complains because of all the overwhelming feedback they supposedly got earlier. I dunno. I was following the change from the beginning. I was against it from the beginning. and I was not alone. But it did not matter at all.
You should be happy. At least you were spared the frustration of being ignored by CCP in your complain and watching them change it anyway.... You got few more months of joy from the old models. I spent them in sorrow every time I sat in Sleipnir just awaiting the inevitable. :/
And yeah it sucks big time and I'm definitely not over it nor would I ever be I guess. Unless the new models are so awesome and hardly resemble the hurricane hull... Which I can't imagine happening...
And CCP remains to be silent on that topic... The original thread that is being referred to which supposedly got overwhelming positive feedback had a misleading title which only proposed a change to the eos, which is why most people flying other command ships probably ignored it. I hate the new sleipnir but I've learned my lesson, read everything, complain as soon as possible if you don't like it. |
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
38
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:12:00 -
[657] - Quote
Ellumielle wrote: The original thread that is being referred to which supposedly got overwhelming positive feedback had a misleading title which only proposed a change to the eos, which is why most people flying other command ships probably ignored it. I hate the new sleipnir but I've learned my lesson, read everything, complain as soon as possible if you don't like it.
Exactly what I said earlier somewhere in this thread... :( "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." --á Arthur C. Clarke |
Sharon Maris
German Order of Independence Union of Independence
0
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Posted - 2013.12.01 19:44:00 -
[658] - Quote
Yonis Kador wrote:I just googled like 10 search strings to find this thread after my first encounter with an image of the new b**tardized Absolution.
My heart is literally still stuck in my throat.
I have written many times before about my fondness and appreciation for the Prophecy hull and how I think it is one of the most-attractive hulls in the game. Though I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years, I've never owned a command ship. Not one. I get distracted, I biomass, I start a new project, things happen. But at least once a week, I look at them. Piloting a set has been my long-term goal for a very long time and I still load up the info boxes and admire them probably once a week to inspire and motivate my game. It's the goal I'm working toward now.
So when the t1 Prophecy was turned into a drone boat a few months ago I had actual heart palpitations. I don't fly Harbingers because the design is like a giant phallus with wings. I've always flown Prophecies over Harbs. I chose originally to be Amarrian because of the tech design and here one of the most beautiful, dynamic hulls in all of EVE, the eagle of the Amarr fleet, a ship designed to swoop down upon its prey, was now going to be a brick that sits and watches drones fly around. It's ridiculous. But all I hear is how great those Prophecy slowcat fleets are. Wonderful. I'm so thrilled for all you sentry drone lovers. But it was difficult for me to accept and as it still feels counterintuitive, I may never get over it.
The only consolation I have had throughout that entire b.s. ordeal is that there still existed a set of even more-useful, just-as-beautiful prophecy hulls in the command ships. I couldn't fly them yet, but there they were.
Imagine my shocking horrific suprise when I pulled up my little info boxes as I always do to admire my future prophecy hulls and instead discover a few minutes ago that my gorgeous Absolution has been destroyed too and is now an arthrogyposis-inflicted harbinger hull. Oh hell no.
I can't even type out words enough to express my overwhelming dissatisfaction and just wish I had been made aware of this change prior to its happening. You most certainly would have heard from me. I'm going to relocate myself to the F&I section of these forums permanently. I read dev blogs. All of them. But that's not enough. A player must also find time to read hundreds of pages of F&I too because apparently not doing so is dangerous.
Please don't take my damnation away too. Please? Even though it's a Khanid missile boat and everything Amarrian is about turrets and armor, it's literally all I've got left.
No prophecy-hulled laser boats still exist.
tldr?
"****!"
YK
Well said, same story here, couldn't say it better... |
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