Whiners?
No one is against the t2 versions of said BC's.
In fact I welcome T2 Canes, Drakes and Myrms.

Just don't slap them on perfectly fine Commandship hulls.
The complaints are legit: most of these hulls are pretty damn signature to said ships.

Make a new, special BC class to use these hulls for.

Even with the update the command ships affected are still perfectly fine. I look forward to being able to fly an absolution again and will still fly the sleipnir. And really, looking at both I prefer a drake to a ferox in Kaalakiota colors.

Besides, when can we realistically expect another set of T2 BC's? Do we really have room for such a ship without further exasperating the issue of ships stepping on each others toes, something BC's of all categories are infamous for? What role would they serve? And personally, if we have to wait for all of that before getting these hulls, what are the chances of ever getting T2 ships with the ABC hulls?

I would hope they make the nighthawk useable before they introduce a T2 version. Unless you using the NH for boosting, there really is no reason to choose it for pvp over the drake.

Tempest Fleet issue killed in visual:

make the myrm blackish like the eos

Not using a color monitor I see?

You shut your lying mouth.

i could swear it used to be blackisk

Not lying, you apparently didn't fly much these ships or didn't care. And when I look at other post it seems I'm not alone in thinking that it is not a model change but a texture change. I still don't understand why there's a few T2 ships which get a different hull and other not, this should also be part of balance ...

i could swear it used to be blackisk

This means that it's ok for the Flycatcher, primarily a missile ship, to continue to use the hull of the Cormorant, which is primarily a hybrid turret ship.

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The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all):

Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger

Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon

Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake

Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.

I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive.
Let us know what you think.

Does anyone know if the devs said anything about the command ship model changes at EVE Vegas? I tuned into the stream late and missed most of the balancing and changes stuff.

As I see it, the entire relationship between the BC and CS types is messed up.

For instance, the Prophecy hull is all curves and yet it has slots for missile launchers which, being angular and non-retracting, look horribly out of place on it. Same situation on the Damnation. On the other hand, launchers would look fine lined up on the Harbinger's weapon sponsons.

Swapping the high slot layouts of the two hulls would correct this situation and make the Prophecy hull the appropriate choice for the Absolution and the Harbinger hull right for the Damnation.

No doubt this would also mean tinkering with cpu and powergrid stats, which I'm sure would be way beyond the scope of what is intended.

In other words, this is a classic "Don't start from here" situation.

On second thoughts, forget the high slots and just swap the Prophecy and Harbinger hulls, then match the Damnation with the new Prophecy.

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One of the changes we were investigating for Odyssey 1.1 but had to drop due to time was adjustments to the models of half the command ships. The goal would be to move them over to hulls that match the T1 combat BC that shares their weapon type, creating some more variety, opening up options for the art guys in the future, and making the differences between the command ships more intuitive.

This is something that first got discussed by us in this Features and Ideas thread. Feedback was overwhelmingly positive but obviously there are strong feelings about a lot of this stuff. The Sleipnir in particular creates very strong feelings for me.

The plan is to change the visuals of the ships as follows (the names of the ships are not changing at all):

Absolution becomes a Carthum Harbinger

Eos becomes a CreoDron Myrmidon

Nighthawk becomes a Kaalakiota Drake

Sleipnir becomes a Boundless Creations Hurricane

This change would affect the visuals of each of those four ships, as well as manufacturing and invention for them. For that reason I want to get it announced as early as possible.

This change would not affect the stats or bonuses of the ships at all. Any changes to those are an entirely different discussion.

Here's a gallery of screenshots I took of the new graphics from our internal test server.

I know this is going to generate a lot of strong feelings due to nostalgia and I share many of those feelings. However I truly think these new versions look amazing and that in the long run this is a change that people will look back on as an obvious positive.
Let us know what you think.

CCP, you are not touching the nighthawk model. The ferox hull needs as much love as it can get. Besides the ferox + kaal paintjob is a match made in paridise. Compare the current model to the proposed one and I dare you to tell me which looks better. Also, taking 5 launcher ship and throwing it on an 8 hardpoint hull is just plain awful. Some ships you could get away with it, but not the damn plain drake hull. Give me T2 ferox models, not just a striped drake.

CCP, you are not touching the nighthawk model. The ferox hull needs as much love as it can get. Besides the ferox + kaal paintjob is a match made in paridise. Compare the current model to the proposed one and I dare you to tell me which looks better. Also, taking 5 launcher ship and throwing it on an 8 hardpoint hull is just plain awful. Some ships you could get away with it, but not the damn plain drake hull. Give me T2 ferox models, not just a striped drake.