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Xaen Aperture Harmonics K162 111	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:07:00 - [901] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Xaen wrote: mentalkiller wrote: But you ban people for buying ISK from ISK Farmers? At least ISK farmers really earned the ISK by playing all day ISK farmers are subscribers. Somer is a parasite. Why is Somer a parasite? Somer is a business, plain and simple. It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. All gambling is a parasite on people who do not understand gambling/probability. In this case, CCP, and the portion of the EVE playerbase that failed to realize that it is a scam/gambling. This does not inherently make somer any worse than any other scammer. The problem began when CCP fell for it, failed to recognize it for a scam, and then quarupled down (more gambling) instead of quitting. The only way to "win" at gambling is to not play. CCP refuses to not play and is therefore losing very, very badly, at the expense of numerous bittervet subs. Mine included, The Second Decade Collector's edition I already bought not withstanding. If you think somer is not a scam, read the following until it sinks in that it is in fact a scam: http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. GÇö Mark Twain I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 16828	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:07:00 - [902] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Prince Kobol 989	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 - [903] - Quote Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :)
sally Deninard mss industry 53	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 - [904] - Quote I like some of the email that was sent. Sent 2013.08.20 02:42 "I will be providing a list of employees and each one will be recieving an Ishukone Watch Scorpion of their own, direct from CCP. I don`t know exactly how they appear. I think they go into your redemption system." Lets not mess about, these ships were a reward to individual players with a huge market value (at the time) before the Eve vegas lottery was fixed up. There is no intent to lottery off these items. "Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship. 30 of them all appearing at once would be wierd" Pretty much confirming that the gifts are an isk donation to individual players, but asking them not to spook the market.... classy.. "If you want to sell it and don`t have a buyer in mind , please use a lower-profile alt if you would, and wait a little while. This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn`t directly map to anything they have done in the past" Somer admitting that this is not standard practice and asking recipients to use discretion. Rule no1... If it sounds dodgy ... it`s dodgy... But here`s the best bit "Navigator has already offered to promote our events in the future." Lol
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 2334	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:11:00 - [905] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Why is Somer a parasite? Somer is a business, plain and simple. It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is CCP are directly interfering in order to boost that business, while ignoring the fact that it is, indeed, a business and should therefore have to compete legitimately against all other businesses. People wouldn't be terribly bothered about non-business entities being promoted, and they perhaps wouldn't be terribly bothered if businesses like somer were given some kind of acknowledgement that doesn't directly benefit their business at the detriment of other businesses - something like giving them a high five, or even sending them a little rifter model, or whatever. That's on the line of acceptable. But directly stepping in to spawn things for their business to use in competition against other businesses, and deliberately excluding the csm from such decisions, and doing even more extra things to directly help those players and their business in total secrecy? It is indefensible
Xaen Aperture Harmonics K162 111	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:12:00 - [906] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Why is Somer a parasite? Somer is a business, plain and simple. It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else. How is that any fault of Somers? They deliberately preyed upon CCP Navigator who is behaving like a senile septuagenarian falling for scams. This is not inherently any worse than any other scammer. CCP are the ones really at fault here. Which is why I'm so mad. Somer is just a scam. CCP is just another mark. The only problem with that is their GODLIKE POWERS OVER THE SANDBOX. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Xaen Aperture Harmonics K162 111	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:13:00 - [907] - Quote TheGunslinger42 wrote: It is indefensible Truth. The only way to fix this is to publicly declare - though the same channels they've already given Somer free marketing - that somer is just a scam, and take back all in-game items that they unfairly awarded them. Favoritism is favoritism. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Xaen Aperture Harmonics K162 111	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:14:00 - [908] - Quote sally Deninard wrote: I like some of the email that was sent. Sent 2013.08.20 02:42 "I will be providing a list of employees and each one will be recieving an Ishukone Watch Scorpion of their own, direct from CCP. I don`t know exactly how they appear. I think they go into your redemption system." Lets not mess about, these ships were a reward to individual players with a huge market value (at the time) before the Eve vegas lottery was fixed up. There is no intent to lottery off these items. "Please do not immediately run to the forums and WTS the ship. 30 of them all appearing at once would be wierd" Pretty much confirming that the gifts are an isk donation to individual players, but asking them not to spook the market.... classy.. "If you want to sell it and don`t have a buyer in mind , please use a lower-profile alt if you would, and wait a little while. This is a really unique thing CCP is doing that doesn`t directly map to anything they have done in the past" Somer admitting that this is not standard practice and asking recipients to use discretion. Rule no1... If it sounds dodgy ... it`s dodgy... But here`s the best bit "Navigator has already offered to promote our events in the future." Lol Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 2062	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:17:00 - [909] - Quote Xaen wrote: Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! Except in this case it's congressmen wandering blindly over to dumbfounded lobbyists with a wheelbarrow full of cash and asking for no returns except secrecy. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.
Chamile Eonic The Church of MDAMC 48	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:21:00 - [910] - Quote I don't understand why people are upset. Sure giving almost a trillion isks worth of ships to random players is a totally ******** thing to do. Of cause then trying to keep it a secret is one of the dumbest things you can do. The thing is, this is CCP, what do you expect? They have always helped out their friends in game either through mechanics or just plain cheating. We have to expect it rather than be shocked by it. Maybe Hilmar will give us all a pair of Japanese $1000 jeans to make up for it.

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1334	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:24:00 - [911] - Quote Chamile Eonic wrote: I don't understand why people are upset. Sure giving almost a trillion isks worth of ships to random players is a totally ******** thing to do. Of cause then trying to keep it a secret is one of the dumbest things you can do. The thing is, this is CCP, what do you expect? They have always helped out their friends in game either through mechanics or just plain cheating. We have to expect it rather than be shocked by it. Maybe Hilmar will give us all a pair of Japanese $1000 jeans to make up for it. i would be happy if they let me have one buy order from the eve store with shipping and handling waived... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1287	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:31:00 - [912] - Quote http://evealopalous.com gives you a free spin for isk everyday with no strings attached. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Xaen Aperture Harmonics K162 115	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:33:00 - [913] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Xaen wrote: Exactly as classy as lobbyists bribing congressmen! Except in this case it's congressmen wandering blindly over to dumbfounded lobbyists with a wheelbarrow full of cash and asking for no returns except secrecy. This is more correct than what I said. I get shouty crackers a lot. Deal with it.
Kate stark 320	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:40:00 - [914] - Quote Mra Rednu wrote: Kate stark wrote: Mra Rednu wrote: Kate stark wrote: Kaivar Lancer wrote: Will CCP please provide an official response? What happened to transparency and running things with the CSM? it's the weekend. So what it's the weekend, my buisness doesn't close on the weekend and neither does this one, all it needs is a Yep they got those ships given to them, we'll get back to you on monday with a full response post or No it's not true, you all fell for a troll post. yeah just because the business doesn't close, doesn't mean the person with the authority to comment on the situation works weekends. i don't believe i'm having to explain this kind of thing to people. Lol seriously, there is at least one person at work with the ability to see if it is a troll or not, it's just they not want to say anything at this time until everyone has had a chance to work out what form of damage control they will do this time...... I don't believe I need to explain this kind of thing to you..... and do you let all of your staff order stock just because they can go out back and check if you've run out of paperclips or something? bet you don't! Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1008	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:49:00 - [915] - Quote The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Prince Kobol 990	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:52:00 - [916] - Quote Xaen wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Why is Somer a parasite? Somer is a business, plain and simple. It makes no bones about what it is, it doesn't pretend to be anything other then what it is. The problem is that CCP pretends it is something else. How is that any fault of Somers? They deliberately preyed upon CCP Navigator who is behaving like a senile septuagenarian falling for scams. This is not inherently any worse than any other scammer. CCP are the ones really at fault here. Which is why I'm so mad. Somer is just a scam. CCP is just another mark. The only problem with that is their GODLIKE POWERS OVER THE SANDBOX. Lmao.. really.. preyed upon CCP Navigator .. this has to be the funniest post of the year
Kate stark 320	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:54:00 - [917] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. and how does that address the issue? Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 5969	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:58:00 - [918] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) Where? My YouTube Videos Latest video: August 25, 2013
J3ssica Alba Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1008	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:59:00 - [919] - Quote Kate stark wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. and how does that address the issue? No blink, no favoritism, no rare BS handed out? :D This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 16830	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:00:00 - [920] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) No. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.

Yhor Pita 13	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:03:00 - [921] - Quote How much ISK can I get if I make incredibly moronic replies in defense of what CCP has done? I mean seriously, there can be no other legitimate reason to defend taking a dump in the sandbox everyone is playing in. No matter the amount of ISK, I'm not sure I'd want to project that amount of stupidity onto myself. ... or are people really capable of being stupid enough to think what CCP has done here is 'right'?
Kate stark 320	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:07:00 - [922] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: Kate stark wrote: J3ssica Alba wrote: The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. and how does that address the issue? No blink, no favoritism, no rare BS handed out? :D no blink, ccp still giving **** to people under the table, issue still exists. blink, other than being the recipients of an under the table gift are actually irrelevant. who the gift was to means absolutely nothing. Yay, this account hasn't had it's signature banned. or it's account, if you're reading this.
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 2338	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:10:00 - [923] - Quote J3ssica Alba wrote: The easy answer to this is don't play blink. If they don't have people feeding money into their system they will collapse faster than you can say Ponzi Scheme. I think the actual answer to this is don't play EVE. Somer is what it is. More power to somer for starting a successful gambling thing that people throw money at. CCP directly spawning things for the individuals involved? CCP directly spawning things and letting somer have exclusive control over the distribution of these prizes (including allowing somer to ban people at their discretion)? I have four words for that "c ya later, shitlords"
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Casoff 1592	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:12:00 - [924] - Quote Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: Tippia wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: How is that any fault of Somers? Who said it was? The fault in Somer is playing along with the handouts and trying to help keep them secret. That's a different (business) problem entirely. The OP did : :) No. Regarding fault, I don't think SOMER staff were wrong in taking what they were entitled to when it was offered by CCP. Nor would they be at fault for keeping something secret upon CCP's request. The fault lies with CCP.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1287	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:19:00 - [925] - Quote As a special promotion, for every player of my game in bio who puts "Ishukone Watch" in the message field when sending isk will be entered into a drawing to win a free one. You can enter as many times as you wish, following the isk doubling rules in my bio. Good Luck! See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Argus Sorn Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad. 196	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:24:00 - [926] - Quote In business ethics you are expected to reject any gifts or contracts ttht may create even a perception of bias or conflict of interest. In this way it is not unreasonable to expect Somer to turn down gifts. They clearly engage in in secretive business practices and encouraged their employees to maintain secrecy. That being said, if Somer is unethical that is their choice as they are an EVE business and no one is required to keep patronizing them. It is up to individuals to decide they feel it is okay for ccp to have Somer in ttheir back pocket and if this should affect their patronization of their site.
Molic Blackbird Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium 94	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:25:00 - [927] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites. Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites.
Argus Sorn Star Frontiers Dirt Nap Squad. 199	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:35:00 - [928] - Quote Molic Blackbird wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites. Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud them for their selfless sacrifice?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 16831	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:39:00 - [929] - Quote Molic Blackbird wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites. Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. It doesn't really matter if it was before or after. They're still lying. The claim that GÇ£[t]he Ishukone Scorpion was created for exactly this sort of purposeGÇöa promo ship for giveaways and special occasions to be used on multiple levelsGÇ¥ is pure history revisionism. In reality, IshuScorp was created to offer ship bling for the NeX in the same way as pants and monocles provided bling for the avatars. When it became apparent that the NeX code was too incomplete to actually handle this properly, it was put away. Only much later, when they figured that they needed some kind of special-issue ship to hand out as a promo reward for people attending expos and conventions, they hauled it out of storage because, hey, what's the easiest way to create a new ship? Why, to not create a new ship at all, of course, but to re-use a ship that had lost its original purpose. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 2064	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:40:00 - [930] - Quote Argus Sorn wrote: Molic Blackbird wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: CCP are not lying, they stated a while ago that the The Ishukone Scorpion was going to be used as a gift to give those people who run 3rd Party Sites. Where was it stated a while ago? The first time I seen a statement like that from CCP was after this Somer gift was exposed. I doubt it was widely known that CCP intended the Ishukone Scorpion to be frequently used as gifts to third party sites. Question: If it was meant to be given as recognition, then why would CCP and Somer engage in collusion to keep it secret? Generally you "recognize" an organization publically, no? So we can all applaud then for their selfless sacrifice? GREED IS GOOD. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.



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