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Zarnak Wulf
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:44:00 -
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Two thoughts:
- Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.
- Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.
Discuss. |
rodyas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:47:00 -
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Suppose we will see how the hybrid buff works out when it hits sisi and how minmitar compared to that, maybe will see nerf option or maybe not so bad. Would want to wait till then or so to make a call. |
Kyo Haku
Gradient
Electus Matari
1
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:48:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Discuss.
Ok.
No. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
219
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:48:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Two thoughts:
- Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.
- Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.
Discuss.
how about NO
and
NO
now delete this post, you're giving the swarm a bad rep for posting stupid nerf rage threads
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zarnak Wulf
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:52:00 -
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Too bad. I prefer fun and balanced to the "I win" button. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
220
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:58:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Too bad. I prefer fun and balanced to the "I win" button.
is that the one where your bad-ass 35k shield buffer tank vanishes in 10 seconds while a gang alphas you?
common... do the math, lose the rage
better tracking and better damage inside neut range in a ship with a crap tank and crap cap
just stop trying to out DPS them, attack their weaknesses and tank the damage
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:02:00 -
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no way! |
Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
215
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:02:00 -
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You got ganked by someone flying a Minmatar ship, didn't you?
The butthurt is strong in the OP. |
Lharanai
Empyrean Guard
36
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:18:00 -
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and what about us poor Amarr?
Won't somebody please think of the children!?!
Touch my **** and I will **** your **** with an rusty **** and **** into your ****, and then I will **** your **** until you ******************** |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
104
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:19:00 -
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Remove 1/2/4 (S/M/L) damage from the ammo.
Increase fitting requirement slightly for autos. |
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Byteflux
Southern Cross Incorporated
Flying Dangerous
3
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:20:00 -
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Enough is enough. Nerf terrible poasters. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
203
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:22:00 -
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Racist 
Features & Ideas Discussion: Skill Training, Agent Finder, Black Holes
Needs a banner here.. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
221
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:23:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:Remove 1/2/4 (S/M/L) damage from the ammo.
Increase fitting requirement slightly for autos.
screw dat
and what ammo? the standard ammo? the faction ammo? the T2 ammo?
why don't you try flying minmatar before calling for nerfs
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zarnak Wulf
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:24:00 -
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You just have to visit the hybrid thread for the devblog to see how happy the Gallente are with their proposed "buff". I do fly Minmatar. And I say nerf it. Get us back to Eve on hard mode. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
498
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:25:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Two thoughts:
- Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.
- Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.
Discuss.
Sensible changes. This and a little increase in fitting requirements should bring projectiles back in line with the other weapons.
morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:25:00 -
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Lharanai wrote:and what about us poor Amarr?
Won't somebody please think of the children!?!
I'm sure CCP can give some tender and loving nerfbat action to the Amarr too, if you really want it so badly. |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:27:00 -
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I declare this the Crying Thread.
I Support the Goons! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
417
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:42:00 -
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Why you gotta oppress my people like that? Haven't we suffered enough? |
Hershman
G-Weezy
40
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:44:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:
- Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.
- Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.
Minmatar ships have quite a few weaknesses to balance their many guns! Be creative and you will counter them  |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
274
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:45:00 -
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+1,
While your at it take care of Scorch and lessen Arty as well. Bring back Beams and Rails as viable Fleet Weapons and Pulses as Short Range Weapons.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
262
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:47:00 -
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How does it feel to be on the other side of the "NO" for a change? =)
Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
221
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:49:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Two thoughts:
- Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.
- Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.
Discuss. Sensible changes. This and a little increase in fitting requirements should bring projectiles back in line with the other weapons.
only its pretty foolish to nerf one thing just prior to buffing everything else
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
274
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:51:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
only its pretty foolish to nerf one thing just prior to buffing everything else
You call what that Blog had as a serious buff?
Hahahaha cute.
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Zagam
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
215
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:52:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Get us back to Eve on hard mode.
Back in my day, we had to fight cruisers in noobships, and battleships with nothing except a Rifter and a single autocannon! Those were the days....
You're really pressing this troll for a character not even 2 years old, talking about "Eve on hard mode" and such.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
221
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:56:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Morganta wrote:
only its pretty foolish to nerf one thing just prior to buffing everything else
You call what that Blog had as a serious buff? Hahahaha cute.
did I use the qualifier "serious"?
and no actually I'm talking about the numbers released from chaos last week.
and it makes no difference if its serious or not.
when you make wide sweeping changes (or proposed ones) to deal with balance issues, you don't go and change some other aspect prior to it.
if minm is OP now, it probably wont be then, if it is then ***** about it when it serves some purpose
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
5nake pliskan
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
4
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:58:00 -
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Zagam wrote:[quote=Zarnak Wulf]
You're really pressing this troll for a character not even 2 years old, talking about "Eve on hard mode" and such.
yeah, about that 2 years.... its somewhat longer you n00b
*that's 2 years older than you* |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
86
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:00:00 -
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Thuh hell you say! Get a bullet proof vest!!
rat-a-tat-a-tat tat tat!
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Joe Skellington
Caldari Elite Force
Independence..
18
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:02:00 -
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Best Cry Ever
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Alara IonStorm
RvB - BLUE Republic
274
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:03:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
when you make wide sweeping changes (or proposed ones) to deal with balance issues, you don't go and change some other aspect prior to it.
No but you do change it at the same time. The best Hybrid fix will come from buffing what is weak and cutting what is strong.
Fill the Holes with the Mountains instead of trying to build new Mountains.
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Hannibal Ord
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
8
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:12:00 -
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Oh for gods sake.
A long time ago, Minmatar were a bloody shocking race to fly. The issue was, their weapon system was totally and utterly crap.
During this period of EVE's history it was Gallente that was top dog.
Amarr, somewhat unjustifiably was also thought of as a poor race to fly.
Caldari, with their crappy missile systems, were also a joke.
Over time Amarr ships and lasers were improved - the laser now being the best weapon system in the game as it stands, mounted on often perfect platforms - yes it is even better than projectiles.
Caldari had a missile balancing patch, which brought almost every weapon system into line bar Rockets and Cruise Missiles. Rockets have since been fixed, cruise missiles still have some issues.
Minmatar too, have benefited from a buff to their weapon system. This buff, has IMO, balanced them against lasers and results basically in a mostly equal weapon system. Both lasers and projectiles share similar engagement range - but one favours higher dps, quality of hit and instant ammo switching. The other favours less dps due to falloff...but same range overall, switch-able damage types and immunity to neuts. They are the two sides of the same coin in terms of balance to each other.
Hybrids and Gallente ships in general got shafted and are unbalanced because drones are crap, blasters are crap, rails are crap and active tanking is crap.
I don't really understand all this call for projectile nerf, since they are totally balanced with lasers.
My post doesn't go into my detail about exactly the changes and problems but that is kinda it in a nutshell... and IMO all this shouting about nerfing Minmatar isn't really justified. And before you ask whilst I fly all races, equally the only issues really atm with this game for PVP and indeed PVE are Gallente(and Caldari hybrid platforms). They are downright bullshit compared to the other races, with any luck this upcoming patch will boost them. Amarr, with their laser boats are still just as if not more competitive than their Minmatar counterparts.
If you nerf Minmatar, then you basically make Amarr THE race to fly, with few exceptions, in almost every ship category in the game. |
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