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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
Moar Tears
306
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:48:00 -
[631] - Quote
So, I heard that Slaves no longer affect Capitals (or perhaps just Supercapitals). I have no way to confirm this, even after the patch goes live. Can anyone tell me for sure one way or another? |
Isbariya
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
5
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:35:00 -
[632] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:So, I heard that Slaves no longer affect Capitals (or perhaps just Supercapitals). I have no way to confirm this, even after the patch goes live. Can anyone tell me for sure one way or another?
Where did you get that info ? |
Sameyaa
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:58:00 -
[633] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:So, I heard that Slaves no longer affect Capitals (or perhaps just Supercapitals). I have no way to confirm this, even after the patch goes live. Can anyone tell me for sure one way or another?
Slaves seem to work for me after patch. |
MastahFR
ANZAC ALLIANCE
RAZOR Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.11.29 21:55:00 -
[634] - Quote
CCP, now since the patch is out and that the Hel still suck balls, what do you intend to do to make it at least a descent ship ? A ship that people want to fly ...
CCP Tallest said he was looking at the issue, but so far we haven't seen anything really boosting a bit the Hel. There is only a few Hel pilots around here and I would like to see more of them because the ship worth to invest into it. It's nearly a year and half since the Hel is a plain joke and a shame for all Minmatar pilots. It's now time that you do something about this ship.
The Hel is supposed to be something useful as per the description :
Quote:
Whatever comprises the soil of its roots, though, one thing is clear: from no-frills living quarters to grim, unadorned aesthetic, this ferocious behemoth has been designed for one purpose and one purpose only.
GÇ¥Imagine a swarm of deadly hornets pouring from the devilGÇÖs mouth. Now imagine they have autocannons.GÇ¥
-Unknown Hel designer
The one purpose is to fail in glory ? |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:21:00 -
[635] - Quote
Ok Crucible has been out a couple of days, good job CCP (round of applause), understandable that a few bugs here & there need to be fixed, but we are very much eager to know when & if the ammendment to Supers drone bay of 20 Fighter bombers & 20 Fighters will be implimented in a patch fix very VERY soon!
P.S. ^ is right Hel currently is just meat shield for rest of fleet nothing more! |
Baki Yuku
Nordgoetter
Viking Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:27:00 -
[636] - Quote
CCP Tallest have you considered the consequences the change of the Hel has because in my opinion 7,5% per Level is way to much. Right now 5 Hel along with a booster Tengu with Tech II Gang-links can tank 10 nyx without any trouble. Was this intended? And the Fitting to enable you to do so is rather cheap.
All you need is a standard X-Type shield tank along with 3 named capital shield and energy transfer as well as a full Talisman set. I think it is stupid to be able to tank that much without any support in form of other capitals namely carriers.
So the people complaining about the Hel right now should seriously check it out again and do some tests on SISI with 3+ Hel's you'd be surprised. But if you test it do it with a booster tengu + T2 Gank-Links and Mind-Link.. Its just stupid this level of tanking is way over the line. |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:38:00 -
[637] - Quote
Baki Yuku wrote:CCP Tallest have you considered the consequences the change of the Hel has because in my opinion 7,5% per Level is way to much. Right now 5 Hel along with a booster Tengu with Tech II Gang-links can tank 10 nyx without any trouble. Was this intended? And the Fitting to enable you to do so is rather cheap.
All you need is a standard X-Type shield tank along with 3 named capital shield and energy transfer as well as a full Talisman set. I think it is stupid to be able to tank that much without any support in form of other capitals namely carriers.
So the people complaining about the Hel right now should seriously check it out again and do some tests on SISI with 3+ Hel's you'd be surprised. But if you test it do it with a booster tengu + T2 Gank-Links and Mind-Link.. Its just stupid this level of tanking is way over the line.
That doesn't change the fact that a hel has a horrible tank, & becuase of that they are not widely used, & are not even aloud to join fleets in some cases where they are just going to be a hinderance & loss mail. Dual armor/shield is best way to go,but you newt out a Hel, the already aweful tank loses even more of its EHP,leaving it a wreck withing a matter of a couple of minutes now. The remote armor/shield bonus should of stayed at 5% as a niche for the Hel/niddy, but doesn't change the fact that it does REALLY need a buff to HP |
Mauryce
Sheeps in Arms
Fraggle Rock.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:39:00 -
[638] - Quote
Baki Yuku wrote:CCP Tallest have you considered the consequences the change of the Hel has because in my opinion 7,5% per Level is way to much. Right now 5 Hel along with a booster Tengu with Tech II Gang-links can tank 10 nyx without any trouble. Was this intended? And the Fitting to enable you to do so is rather cheap.
All you need is a standard X-Type shield tank along with 3 named capital shield and energy transfer as well as a full Talisman set. I think it is stupid to be able to tank that much without any support in form of other capitals namely carriers.
So the people complaining about the Hel right now should seriously check it out again and do some tests on SISI with 3+ Hel's you'd be surprised. But if you test it do it with a booster tengu + T2 Gank-Links and Mind-Link.. Its just stupid this level of tanking is way over the line.
Its false.
1er: you cant find 10 Hels in any ScFleets!!
2d:Whit only 2 Capital remote shield, if you want a decent EM/Th resistance on Hel, you cannot operate boths reps if you are targeted with neutralizers.
3er: If you are to crazy to fit 4 reps and only 2 invus, well, you never been in a superfight. How many DD can absorve?? Are you a Hel pilot or another EFTWarrior???????
In fact, you need to duplicate bonus and cut half capacitor consume on rshields to make hel a good logistic option with minimal tank. Or make Sc invulnerable to Neutralizer.
I never see many of you in supercaps fight like O2O.... firts check your info in game and in fight, them came here and write with a minimal sense... |
Baki Yuku
Nordgoetter
Viking Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:23:00 -
[639] - Quote
Mauryce wrote:Baki Yuku wrote:CCP Tallest have you considered the consequences the change of the Hel has because in my opinion 7,5% per Level is way to much. Right now 5 Hel along with a booster Tengu with Tech II Gang-links can tank 10 nyx without any trouble. Was this intended? And the Fitting to enable you to do so is rather cheap.
All you need is a standard X-Type shield tank along with 3 named capital shield and energy transfer as well as a full Talisman set. I think it is stupid to be able to tank that much without any support in form of other capitals namely carriers.
So the people complaining about the Hel right now should seriously check it out again and do some tests on SISI with 3+ Hel's you'd be surprised. But if you test it do it with a booster tengu + T2 Gank-Links and Mind-Link.. Its just stupid this level of tanking is way over the line. Its false. 1er: you cant find 10 Hels in any ScFleets!! 2d:Whit only 2 Capital remote shield, if you want a decent EM/Th resistance on Hel, you cannot operate boths reps if you are targeted with neutralizers. 3er: If you are to crazy to fit 4 reps and only 2 invus, well, you never been in a superfight. How many DD can absorve?? Are you a Hel pilot or another EFTWarrior??????? In fact, you need to duplicate bonus and cut half capacitor consume on rshields to make hel a good logistic option with minimal tank. Or make Sc invulnerable to Neutralizer. I never see many of you in supercaps fight like O2O.... firts check your info in game and in fight, them came here and write with a minimal sense...
I own 2 hel's so well yeah I know that tank wise they are on the low end but I do think there is no need for a buff other then taking the nerf the hel recived back and adding a shield slave set to the game. With that in place the hel will be just fine.
Also regarding neuting yeah you will get neut'd in a knockout fight but when you have 3 capital energy on every hel its kinda impossible to break I mean srsly I dont think I need to tell you just how much cap gets generated by the transfers..
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HelPilot of20Years
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:27:00 -
[640] - Quote
Baki Yuku wrote:
....With that in place the hel will be just fine.
Also regarding neuting yeah you will get neut'd in a knockout fight but when you have 3 capital energy on every hel its kinda impossible to break I mean srsly I dont think I need to tell you just how much cap gets generated by the transfers..
What dream region do *you* live in? I'd like to see these 2 Hels of yours in the next *anything* fleet battle rr'ing each other to victory.
It doesn't have to be a special fight to get neuted. Primary will always get neuted.
You just used the phrase "impossible to break [tank]" in the same sentence as hel. Get out. This thread is for serious feedback only.
...designed for one purpose and one purpose only.
GÇ¥Imagine a swarm of deadly hornets pouring from the devilGÇÖs mouth. Now imagine they have autocannons.GÇ¥
-Unknown Hel designer
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MastahFR
ANZAC ALLIANCE
RAZOR Alliance
7
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Posted - 2011.12.01 18:16:00 -
[641] - Quote
CCP Tallest, all Hel pilots are still waiting for your feedback on our ship case, please.
Thanks. |
Headerman
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
353
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Posted - 2011.12.02 08:58:00 -
[642] - Quote
In regards to shield amount, i can't remember what the base was before the patch, but when Crucible was beign tested, the Hel got the full 20% cut to shield amount. It was pretty damn horrible to see :S
They then raised the shield amount up to 891,000 HPs. For reference, the Wyvern has 900k.
I think for the next expansion in 6 months time, CCP would do well to alter the bonus to a 5% drone RoF on the test server to get some feedback, and compare it to the Hel usage that we will see on TQ until then
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo
Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians
Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US?
Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Altolinchen
Sternenschauer AG
Smacked Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.12.02 10:27:00 -
[643] - Quote
Supers need at least the old size of the drone bay...
The fight I've had yesterday showed that it is impossible for supers to fight other supers with support cause you're bombers and fighters are just to easy to kill and you can't take a secondary set of them. and since you lost 0815 drones you are defenseless and offensiveness and that's SUCKS. Many supers were reporting this problem in fleet during that fight.
I even think the dronebay should now be able to carrier 60+ in total. Because before the patch even if your 40-45 bombers/fighters where dead you had thousands of drone and now you have nothing -.- so no DPS left... ( neuts / remote ecm... LOL )(and the few spare once we are able to carry in corp hanger - never mind .. you need to carrier other capital modules and spare isotopes etc... corp hanger soon is full.. and stuff for your support fleet ).
The fight was fairer for the enemy I think they got more numbers in supers and support.. so see where such nerf leads to... more blob - we would have needed a bigger blob to win :/.
Also If they stay on the nerf than please fix some other stuff as well. Give them a role, where they can be useful. Let bombers hit pos etc.?? or a bigger ship maintenance bay and corp hanger? fit again clone vat ? go to triage ?
doesn't matters but now they are underpowered and unbalanced even more as they were overpowered before the patch...
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Isbariya
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
5
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Posted - 2011.12.02 12:31:00 -
[644] - Quote
Altolinchen wrote:Supers need at least the old size of the drone bay...
The fight I've had yesterday showed that it is impossible for supers to fight other supers with support cause you're bombers and fighters are just to easy to kill and you can't take a secondary set of them. and since you lost 0815 drones you are defenseless and offensiveness and that's SUCKS. Many supers were reporting this problem in fleet during that fight.
I even think the dronebay should now be able to carrier 60+ in total. Because before the patch even if your 40-45 bombers/fighters where dead you had thousands of drone and now you have nothing -.- so no DPS left... ( neuts / remote ecm... LOL )(and the few spare once we are able to carry in corp hanger - never mind .. you need to carrier other capital modules and spare isotopes etc... corp hanger soon is full.. and stuff for your support fleet ).
The fight was fairer for the enemy I think they got more numbers in supers and support.. so see where such nerf leads to... more blob - we would have needed a bigger blob to win :/.
Also If they stay on the nerf than please fix some other stuff as well. Give them a role, where they can be useful. Let bombers hit pos etc.?? or a bigger ship maintenance bay and corp hanger? fit again clone vat ? go to triage ?
doesn't matters but now they are underpowered and unbalanced even more as they were overpowered before the patch...
signed, what would you say if CCP announces that all ships can only carry enough ammunition for 1 and a half rounds, for example if a gun can hold 40 Shots you can have 20 additional shots in your cargo, nothing more.
It would lead to an outrage ! And that's kind of what was done to Supers.
Fighters and Bombers are fairly easy to kill and once your 30(35) are gone you can't do anything productive.
That's why I suggest a drone bay for supers for at least 60 fighters or fighter bombers. |
Altolinchen
Sternenschauer AG
Smacked Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 13:03:00 -
[645] - Quote
Isbariya wrote:
That's why I suggest a drone bay for supers for at least 60 fighters or fighter bombers.
But even 60 would be lol..
before the patch had about 2400 drones on board so nearly no time out of dps - Well much less dps if you had to pull out drones than with bombers or fighters but okay still dps left.
Was able to launch wave after wave ( even when fighters and bombers where dead).
Now limited to the bombers and fighters only and not able to carry at least 2 full sets? Even 2 full set are LOL.
Like a BS where only 4 of 8 turrets loaded with 80 shot and the rest can only be loaded with 20 shot - WTF CCP.
This ships are super carrier - so let them carrier a super amount.
60+ that would at least mean for wyvern and aeon 30 bombers and 30 fighters so not that fast out of dps.
and 70 for hel and nyx.
This huge dronebay is necessary- even a rorqual is to small ( for full sets) and would be the only ship with a capital tank on which you could reload fighters and bombers...
and nobody will warp in fighters in cap fight - they are dead before you picked your new fighters and bombers out of them...
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Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:35:00 -
[646] - Quote
What is for sure is that Supers needs a manditory Drone bay capacity of room for 20 fighterbombers & 20x Fighters, that is manditory, as for having room for 60+ your getting a little ahead of yourself. Need to prioritize this ammendment first & foremost. We should never of had to dedicate our time to resolving this needless, aimless stupidity. Nerfing the drone bay should of never happened & should have never even been considered past the thought of "ohh ha, yea thats a stupid idea".
We would like to hear if & when this will be implimented into a patch fix. Needs to be very soon, an prioritized. In all fairness it wouldn't take long for CCP to sort this mess out,its not a complex fault to fix, so god knows why we havn't heard anything more on the matter. Don't want this folly dragging on any longer! |
Isbariya
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.04 21:20:00 -
[647] - Quote
Any new thought, conclusions or updates regarding super caps ccp ? |
Zeb DaMadMiner
Wormhole Exploration Crew
Transmission Lost
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:57:00 -
[648] - Quote
Another thing to add to the plate, if you look at the CPU/PWG between the Chimera fit, and the Archon for example. Even though the Chimera has more CPU than the Archon armor tanks do not use as much as shields.
Currently, you can fully fit Archon's with all the cap parts you need. And have spare leftover, yet with a Chimera just to get it close to the Archon's layout fit you still require +3 implant, + all level 5 CPU reduction skills just to fit.
Little boost of the Chimera's CPU? - Even if it's only 10, they need it. |
Shaak Ti
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
10
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Posted - 2011.12.05 06:40:00 -
[649] - Quote
The dronebay nerf have no sense. And you even increased the dronebay parts in the BPOs!!!
Ok removing the drones to avoid them being "too flexible", but removing the ability to even do ANY damage...
What were you thinking dudes? fitting a machariel? |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
19
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:12:00 -
[650] - Quote
Fighter bombers hit a sig of what 2250m and Fighters 125. One is far too small, (Fightrers) and the other far too big(FB).
Fighters resolution should be increased to 400 as they are designed to hit BS. to compensate for this their optimal range and tracking should be adjusted to make then engage at a longer range but with less tracking so they have the same effective tracking at their optimal ranges.
Fighter Bombers need to have their explosion radius reduced significantly. Should they not be in the same ball park as that of capital guns. most other missile platforms are, if this were the case they should have an explosion radius of around 1000m, BS would still be safe as the explosion velocity is only 60m/s. FB can be speed tanked by anything in the game. Again another weapon platform that's theoretical paper damage and actual in game damage are worlds appart. |
Ingwine
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:23:00 -
[651] - Quote
CCP Tallest wrote:
* Shield leadership bonus should work like an armor bonus and not require recharging shields after every jump.
Is that includes bonus from Leviathan as booster? |
MastahFR
ANZAC ALLIANCE
RAZOR Alliance
11
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Posted - 2011.12.05 23:16:00 -
[652] - Quote
Still waiting feedback from CCP about the Hel situation.
3Weeks and counting... |
Lord FunkyMunky
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:03:00 -
[653] - Quote
Wait did someone just ***** that a super alone wasnt able to survive against a super with a support fleet????
Upp ya .. thats kind of how its supposed to be buddy... supers are supercapitals, there not meant to be able to survive solo... there team ships |
MastahFR
ANZAC ALLIANCE
RAZOR Alliance
11
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Posted - 2011.12.06 12:26:00 -
[654] - Quote
Bump for the Hel issue and in particular all shield capitals. We have **** tank, we also want to take part in fight and be useful. CCP we are also your customers and expect you to include us into the balance.
We want ship we can fly, we want ship we can be proud off, we want to have fun with our shield capitals/supercapitals.
Thanks. |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:43:00 -
[655] - Quote
Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????
Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved. |
Svennig
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:47:00 -
[656] - Quote
Phunnestyle wrote:Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????
Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.
Needs more question marks and sense of entitlement. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
31
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Posted - 2011.12.08 13:46:00 -
[657] - Quote
Phunnestyle wrote:Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????
Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.
You're the (<)1%, stop trying to force your will on the (>)99%! |
Sameyaa
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
9
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Posted - 2011.12.08 15:01:00 -
[658] - Quote
Rixiu wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????
Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved. You're the (<)1%, stop trying to force your will on the (>)99%!
We are less then 1%? show me where you are getting these numbers from. Did you go around asking every person in the game and come up with this? Everyone that owns a supercap and even people who dont feel our pain. This is not a troll thread, if you have nothing productive to include in the conversation then don't say anything at all. |
Ranya Delnas
Viziam
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:50:00 -
[659] - Quote
Hey now i would be happy if you could only have 20 fighters/fighter bombers, or pre nerf stats, provided you could lock no subcaps other than dictors/HIC's Because im happy if all the caps kill eachother while the real pilots have an actually fun fight |
Isbariya
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.08 20:03:00 -
[660] - Quote
Ranya Delnas wrote:Hey now i would be happy if you could only have 20 fighters/fighter bombers, or pre nerf stats, provided you could lock no subcaps other than dictors/HIC's Because im happy if all the caps kill eachother while the real pilots have an actually fun fight
shure if caps are the only way to gain sov and subcaps could not target capitals, for those not getting this statement, sarcasm !
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