I'll take a shot at an answer for that.

There are a lot of people in this game that were sold on the idea put forward by CCP that the future of this game is as an all encompassing science fiction simulator. They were so enamored by the idea and feel so passionate about it that they will not let it die.

I can't blame them. It's a great concept.

Mr Epeen

Eve is in great shape. Relations between the company and the players are in great shape. The company is working hard and innovatively on content that the bulk of the player base want to see implemented or polished. The future is very bright for spaceships and that future should not and hopefully will not, include walking in stations or anything like it. Trawling this stuff up is just an exercise in futility. Play the game you want to play, that game is probably not Eve Online.

The strength of the current position has been achieved by identifying and building on core strengths, those strengths are CCP's brilliant skill with spaceships and the players themselves. WIS brought only discord, disagreement and disunity - it weakened the game, it weakened the cohesion of the brand and the threatened to dilute the purity of the ideal. It was a bad idea with no sound foundation. You cannot build anything without a sound foundation, the house will just collapse. The Eve house may be an old one but it has the most solid of foundations and it is unequivocally loved by the people that choose live in it. It will house us and support the people that built it and continue to maintain it for many years to come.

Being a little black and white, aren't you?

It's not WIS or nothing for most people. It's that it would be a great addition to the game they already love.

Mr Epeen

The same company said we've be flying in atmosphere too. Where are the FiA fanatics?

And why stick around for a game where the makers said it was going to be some kind of "all encompassing science fiction simulator" but failed to deliver when there are ACTUAL games like that that they could be playing. The fact is, the WiS crowd (by continuing to pay their subs in some way) are paying CCP to ignore them lol.

CCP is concentrating on Flying space ships in

Oh yes, I want FIA too. I am in the FIA crowd. I want to hear a sonic boom when I go fast and see my enemies die in a fire that lights up the entire horizon.

Seriously it will be great and is another thing that I don't understand why it hasn't been added to the game. It's spaceship content, an outpost on a planet's surface is no different in principle to one in orbit as far as the game engine is concerned, so why isn't it here already?

The Kind of Wis stuff the WiS crowd envisions makes as much sense as Light Sabres in Star Trek Online.

CCP is doing nothing of the sort. They're 'concentrating' on new games. I don't know if you've noticed this, but actual 'new content' has been barely a trickle in the last few expansions.

We got two new ships! (And might get a 3rd one if they can figure out wtf they're doing with it) and three deployables. And a new login screen. and some new loot tables that include bpcs for things that already spawn in game, but had no bps on the market.

And some fixes for stuff they screwed up previously, or left out from previous expansions.

Woo! So much Space Content!

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Tholian_Crystalline_Sword

You were saying?

The Kind of Wis stuff the WiS crowd envisions makes as much sense as Light Sabres in Star Trek Online.

Which bit of the corporate espionage, smuggling, general skullduggery and "we want it to be EVE online... but on foot" are you struggling with here? Seriously. How is it hard to grasp that we're asking for it to be thematically and mechanically EVE all the way?

Or you guys can ignore me and keep feeding the troll.
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Or you guys can ignore me and keep feeding the troll.
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This is a very good post in that it demonstrates the thing at the core of the WiS movement. Inability to appreciate the current EVE Online.

Rubicon is an excellent example, Few expansions gave me personally any content with which to play at all (i didn't complain, as i was already happy with EVE). THIS one blew my mind, it's changes so much about how I (as an explorer) do things. If all Rubicon did was add the mobile Depot it would have still be the single best expansion I've ever been a part of (being about to switch to defensive equipment before leaving a system where I just finished a plex has already saved my machariel FOUR times).

i think some people are kind of spolied, or they've played so long the game seems stale to them and they want something new. That's all personal problems, not a problem the game has to solve by constantly giving you more of what you think of is new content.


I made a comment in the "information portal" section a few weeks ago that seems apt here. CCP are saints because nothing they do is right. The community says "dump the jesus features and fix the small things". They fix the small things and everyone wants jesus features because rubicon is just a patch not an expansion.

The community says "damn it, it's a spaceship game, screw walking around and crap". CCP responds be refocusing on spaceships and people start yelling "hey, were's my WiS" lol. As soon as CCP responds to the "threadnaughts" about local and afk cloaking, the community will demand to know why they weren't consulted before CCP axes local and afk cloaking lol.

CCP literally can't win for losing

Those are space things. Space games should add space things. We're talking about walking around, which you can do in real life ...and other games.

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I don't agree with your position on WIS but that is a very good post. CCP are talented and have a tough time given the nature of the community they've got. I for one am grateful for all of the work they do on EVE but would like to see a start on WIS with a few small gameplay improvements to the CQ such as station D-scan.

Actually it would satisfy me if they just built a PC version of dust that would start from the EVE login screen giving us the option of a 4th character slot for a dust bunnie which then loads the Dust client (maybe an optional client). That last idea would probably do more to integrate the dust/eve communities and probably save dust from dying out than anything else out there.

TBH you should just block Jenn. He literally repeats the same thing thinking it makes him right. It's always
1) Go play another game.
2) Eve is spaceships only.
3) You're acting entitled and are therefore irrelevant.

This is literally all he posts. He doesn't get the passion of the playerbase who like the idea od WiS and will just **** talk all day. Trust me, block him.

lol, "Read up on the history" of something I was present for and participated in.. And just who said that WiS was the only reason for any riots.

This is why the word "delusional" comes to mind everytime the letters "WiS" come up. The small but vocal WiS crowd ("WiSiies?) can't understand why spaceships would be top priority in a spaceship game. or that they are pretty alone in what they want. Personally I think that is a lot of crossover between WiS people and role playing types who play game to imagine they are actually in the game conducting epic feats of brave bravery or something, it seems that way because a lot of the arguments are the same, revolving around "immersion".

As for the question of why post? Why post in opposition to any falsehoods? Because they are falsehoods lol. The WiS crowd ignores reality (ie CCP is concentrating on FiS for good reasons, reasons the WiS crowd ignores and dismisses as some kind of conspiracy) and ignores history in nearly incredible (and I think selfish) fashion..

Now that i've answered your question, answer mine. Why do these WiS people feel the need to lobby for something even after the developers say "we're just not doing that right now"? Of course they aren't the only ones, I'd put them in 3rd place behind the "get rid of local" and OMG do something about afk cloaking" fringes, but at some point you'd think adult EVE players would learn to let it go...

Little (old) news flash for you: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=161511&find=unread
That being just over a year ago but after the Jita riots and refocus of development.

So, all that being said, we have a great concept to expand the EVE Universe but now is not the right time for us to take that step. ItGÇÖs a step I very much want to take but I want to take it when it wonGÇÖt mean removing developers and focus from flying in space. So, for the time being, watch this space with regards to exploration gameplay for EVE avatars. The Avatar team will now be turning its attention to features it can put out for EVE in our winter expansion and beyond.

CCP made EVE online a game with spaceships being the central element. And that's it.

Sigh

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2023395#post2023395



let me point something out for you.

History. Namely, the history of CCP and EVE Online.

CCP made EVE online a game with spaceships being the central element. And that's it. EVERYTHING else they have tried to do and venture out into has come back with mixed or bad results.

Incarna/walking in stations = dead.
DUST 514 = not as brilliant as expected.
Flying in atmosphere + dead before it was born
WoD = on the shelf, perhaps in development hell.
Valkyrie = just getting started, who knows, it might work, it's about spaceships.

You WiS people want a company that has proven to do ONE THING superbly (FiS) to take away development resources (even if a little bit) from what they've have proven they know how to do (space ships) and use them on something they proved to not be so adept at (everything but spaceships)?

It's like having a brewery who has made epic beer for 10 years (and who failed to expanded into the wine market with their beer-flavor pinot......) and expecting them to give beer flavored wine another go.

Me, I'd rather them keep doing the thing that has kept them going (understanding that CCP is gonna do what it's gonna do even if i don't like it).. EVE has slaughtered every space game that people proclaimed would kill it by being what it is, and not by trying to be something else.

This is a very good post in that it demonstrates the thing at the core of the WiS movement. Inability to appreciate the current EVE Online.

THIS one blew my mind, it's changes so much about how I (as an explorer) do things. If all Rubicon did was add the mobile Depot it would have still be the single best expansion I've ever been a part of (being about to switch to defensive equipment before leaving a system where I just finished a plex has already saved my machariel FOUR times).

The community says "damn it, it's a spaceship game, screw walking around and crap". CCP responds be refocusing on spaceships and people start yelling "hey, were's my WiS" lol. As soon as CCP responds to the "threadnaughts" about local and afk cloaking, the community will demand to know why they weren't consulted before CCP axes local and afk cloaking lol.

After reading some of the pro-WiS ideas people have posted on forums over the years, WiS would simply become a haunt for pedophiles and perverts,