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Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:48:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:Damn, for a thread that covers a very old topic, this is turning out to be a threadnaught already. Nine pages and this thread only came up today.
It shows you how much players still believe in the concept of WiS and Immersion in the hangar. But a thread alone will not convince CCP. I think talking about this topic more to devs' to CSM's and in Iceland will show the developers just how important this kind of content still is to the future of EVE even if it is not absolutely necessary to the space portion of the game.
People really care about this topic and that should matter. Both for those for and against it. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2540
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:49:00 -
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Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?
Seriously, not once. Not even on my really rather substandard laptop. I keep hearing about it but it seems to be from a vocal minority who were on the wrong end of a rare phenomen rather than an endemic flaw like with the whole boot.ini thing. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Baroness Vulna
Armada vi Vulnezia
83
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Baroness Vulna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
How is EVE better? Dead or with WiS?
If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years. What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things? EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys. Spaceships spend more time in a drydock getting repairs and waiting for its next mission than it spends in space. Why not expand on that environment where the ship is in its dock. How about expand the camera options so we can see past the ship in its dock. How about putting multiple ships on the screen that are in our hangar. How about letting us take a small shuttle or walkway up to our ship so we can see just how big it is next to people. Or perhaps show workmen doing repairs on the ship while it is in dock as you sift through your items and next strategy. There are so many wonderful and exciting ways CCP can enhance the in station environment and yes, that involves space ships. When I'm docked Im either busy doing other things with the game (buying stuff from market, contracting stuff, fitting a ship etc). I don't find anything you just said appealing in the least. I'm not trying to lose myself in a game, I'm just playing a game. The best "docked" content CCP could add is a browser that doesn't suck, screw everything else.
Most people are that way because there is still so little to offer in your station compared to space battles. But what if there was something that appealed to you in WiS, something you may not have even seen yet. Would you rather it be ignored and forgotten or perhaps given a chance yet?
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Mr Pragmatic
759
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Baroness Vulna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
How is EVE better? Dead or with WiS?
If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years. What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things? EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys. Spaceships spend more time in a drydock getting repairs and waiting for its next mission than it spends in space. Why not expand on that environment where the ship is in its dock. How about expand the camera options so we can see past the ship in its dock. How about putting multiple ships on the screen that are in our hangar. How about letting us take a small shuttle or walkway up to our ship so we can see just how big it is next to people. Or perhaps show workmen doing repairs on the ship while it is in dock as you sift through your items and next strategy. There are so many wonderful and exciting ways CCP can enhance the in station environment and yes, that involves space ships. When I'm docked Im either busy doing other things with the game (buying stuff from market, contracting stuff, fitting a ship etc). I don't find anything you just said appealing in the least. I'm not trying to lose myself in a game, I'm just playing a game. The best "docked" content CCP could add is a browser that doesn't suck, screw everything else.
Yes, and you can choose to ignore content they do add concerned to the station.
Your style of play should not dictate on what content they develop.
In my opinion developing more WiS would be a boon for new players and vets alike. Especially of all the things you could implement through the WiS. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3606
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:50:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:
The WiS enhances the game play when not flying in space ships.
The time I'm not flying around in sapce (unless i'm docked for some need) is called "Being logged off".
Therefore CCP should spend money and man hours on BLOiS (Being Logged Off in Station) because it enhances gameplay....
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
791
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:51:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Personally my opinion is that they've painted themselves in a corner after a series of bad decissions and are trying to sell the corner as the place they always wanted to be.
If that is so, then they have painted them self into a corner where they have survived and grown for 10 years.
Which might not be the wrong move.
Getting stuck in a dark corner, where you have a chance to stay and grow can be better than hitting for the centre of the floor and get stomped. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Samoth Egnoled
29328
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:54:00 -
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I don't think CCP will ever deliver on WiS, they have the tech for instance with dust and WoD. But they still havn't implemented anything despite having working models for this stuff. Eve is old now, the developers no longer have the passion they used to in 2003, theyre getting bored and are looking at other projects to move onto imo.
As soon as WoD and VR are finished, my bet is that they will slowly phase out eve.
(this is not what i want to happen, i would love for eve/dust/VR to be one game. I just dont see it happening) Ego Sum Mortem Incarnatum - I Am Death Incarnate |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3606
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:54:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Your style of play should not dictate on what content they develop.
How is a space ship game that people and the company that makes it want to stay a spaceship game "my style of play" lol?
I play some League of legends. I don't go to the LoL boards and beg the makers waste their time and money to add tanks, when I want tanks i go play tanks. When i want spaceships(ie most of the time) i play EVE. I don't expect EVE to be anything but what it is, nor do i think that if CCP doesn't cater to my preferences, EVE will die.
This is in direct contrast to the WiS crowd who believes whole-heartedly that EVE will just die without WiS.
Sorry, it won't see you in 10 more years. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
792
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:57:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?
Have you tried using it? Like trying to get your avatar to walk from point a to point b without getting stuck and doing silly walks for 30 seconds before giving up?
Have you looked at the amount of resources gobbled up by a single animated avatar alone i that room?
The code that's currently in EvE would need some serious tweaks before you go exploring, or bar fighting or whatever with it. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2671
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:57:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
How is EVE better? Dead or with WiS?
If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years. What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things? EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys.
It's not about EVE. It's about CCP. Can they afford to live on the income generated by "no nonsense spaceship gamers" alone?
EVE could work perfectly with 15,000 PCU. But CCP would need to fire a lot of people, cut a lot of expenses, and cut down whatever dreams they have for the future if that happened before they have other games providing revenue. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2543
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:58:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The time I'm not flying around in sapce (unless i'm docked for some need) is called "Being logged off". Therefore CCP should spend money and man hours on BLOiS (Being Logged Off in Station) because it enhances gameplay....
That's not true for other players, though. There are some people who get huge amounts of stuff done while docked. You can't use yourself as the metric for whether or not adding gameplay content to stations would be a good thing.
So you're not interested - that's cool. Many other people are, however. I don't run missions - I don't view missions as wasted dev time, I just don't do them. Sov changes? Not my bag, I'm not a nulseccer, but cool, go for it. Interceptor changes? I'm more of a battlecruiser man, but hey I'm happy for the people who benefitted.
You're not a WiS person? that's fine! But why kvetch about the development of this feature that you don't use so much more than the development of any other feature that you don't use? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3607
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:58:00 -
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Baroness Vulna wrote:
Most people are that way because there is still so little to offer in your station compared to space battles. But what if there was something that appealed to you in WiS, something you may not have even seen yet. Would you rather it be ignored and forgotten or perhaps given a chance yet?
I'd rather play a spaceship game that focuses on spaceships. You see, spaceships (as depcited in EVE) don't exist, so i can't just go a fly one.
Legs, on the other hand do exist, and when i want to see someone walking around, I just stroll past my mirror several times lol.
I'm sorry, but I'm not you, I don't care anything about what you are talking about, and as you can see (from WiS lack of popularity with the bulk of the EVE online community) I'm not all that alone.
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Mr Pragmatic
759
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Your style of play should not dictate on what content they develop.
How is a space ship game that people and the company that makes it want to stay a spaceship game "my style of play" lol? I play some League of legends. I don't go to the LoL boards and beg the makers waste their time and money to add tanks, when I want tanks i go play tanks. When i want spaceships(ie most of the time) i play EVE. I don't expect EVE to be anything but what it is, nor do i think that if CCP doesn't cater to my preferences, EVE will die. This is in direct contrast to the WiS crowd who believes whole-heartedly that EVE will just die without WiS. Sorry, it won't see you in 10 more years.
No one believes Eve will die with out WiS content. But WiS will bring MORE people in.
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2543
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not you, I don't care anything about what you are talking about, and as you can see (from WiS lack of popularity with the bulk of the EVE online community) I'm not all that alone.
Fine, we get it. you aren't going to use it. That's your call.
Why are you so hell-bent on denying it to the people who WOULD use it? An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
792
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:01:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
It's not about EVE. It's about CCP. Can they afford to live on the income generated by "no nonsense spaceship gamers" alone?
No.
Which has been the point from the start of this mess.
But instead of risking their only solid asset by forcing her out to the centre of the floor, they try to use what resources they have and diversify.
Thus WoD, and Dust, and Valkyrie
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:02:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?
Seriously, not once. Not even on my really rather substandard laptop. I keep hearing about it but it seems to be from a vocal minority who were on the wrong end of a rare phenomen rather than an endemic flaw like with the whole boot.ini thing.
Then you got lucky.
A lot of players back in 2011 were reporting seeing their graphics cards literally melting inside their desktop case. I even experienced problem with Incarna's CQ back then as well. The code was so poorly optimized that I had to close down my Eve client almost every time I switched to CQ. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3607
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:02:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Your style of play should not dictate on what content they develop.
How is a space ship game that people and the company that makes it want to stay a spaceship game "my style of play" lol? I play some League of legends. I don't go to the LoL boards and beg the makers waste their time and money to add tanks, when I want tanks i go play tanks. When i want spaceships(ie most of the time) i play EVE. I don't expect EVE to be anything but what it is, nor do i think that if CCP doesn't cater to my preferences, EVE will die. This is in direct contrast to the WiS crowd who believes whole-heartedly that EVE will just die without WiS. Sorry, it won't see you in 10 more years. No one believes Eve will die with out WiS content. But WiS will bring MORE people in.
#1 there is no evidence of that. Star Trek Online has walking around, is it bigger than EVE Online (despite being a part of a MUCH more well known IP)? No.
#2 "more people" isn't necessarily a good thing. A great game community has the "right" people, not just a lot of them. Some people suck.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3607
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:05:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm not you, I don't care anything about what you are talking about, and as you can see (from WiS lack of popularity with the bulk of the EVE online community) I'm not all that alone. Fine, we get it. you aren't going to use it. That's your call. Why are you so hell-bent on denying it to the people who WOULD use it?
Because the people who would use it don't understand that CCP wasting finite resources on something (that isn't about the games FOCUS) is bad.
CCP didn't do much of anything for a couple years in EVE while working on this thing. I don't want that to happen again. i'd rather they concentrate on EVE and leave the walking around for others games, or Dust/WoD. I'm against a repeat of the past.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
792
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:05:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote: No one believes Eve will die with out WiS content. But WiS will bring MORE people in.
Of course it would.
But so far no-one has presented a good case for sinking the resources needed to get there, at least not within the next 1-2 years
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Mr Pragmatic
759
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:05:00 -
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Quote:
#1 there is no evidence of that. Star Trek Online has walking around, is it bigger than EVE Online (despite being a part of a MUCH more well known IP)? No.
#2 "more people" isn't necessarily a good thing. A great game community has the "right" people, not just a lot of them. Some people suck.
More people is not a good thing? Are you serious in an MMO that is over a decade old and has 500k subscribers?
While I am happy that Eve has 500k, it can have tons of more if they introduced content for more casual players.
WiS can be used as a tool to bring in more players, and transition them into the harshness of Eve.
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:06:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:
Your style of play should not dictate on what content they develop.
How is a space ship game that people and the company that makes it want to stay a spaceship game "my style of play" lol? I play some League of legends. I don't go to the LoL boards and beg the makers waste their time and money to add tanks, when I want tanks i go play tanks. When i want spaceships(ie most of the time) i play EVE. I don't expect EVE to be anything but what it is, nor do i think that if CCP doesn't cater to my preferences, EVE will die. This is in direct contrast to the WiS crowd who believes whole-heartedly that EVE will just die without WiS. Sorry, it won't see you in 10 more years. No one believes Eve will die with out WiS content. But WiS will bring MORE people in.
I wouldn't mind seeing more of such content at this point. Eve Online has mostly recovered thanks to Crucible, Inferno, Retribution, Odyssey, and now Rubicon. At this point, I think now would be a good time to focus at least a little bit to open that damn door. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
315
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:07:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
How is EVE better? Dead or with WiS?
If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years. What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things? EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys. It's not about EVE. It's about CCP. Can they afford to live on the income generated by "no nonsense spaceship gamers" alone? EVE could work perfectly with 15,000 PCU. But CCP would need to fire a lot of people, cut a lot of expenses, and cut down whatever dreams they have for the future if that happened before they have other games providing revenue.
Yeah, hi, quick question.
Is there any danger that you might generate an argument, at some point, that isn't completely bullshit?
Everything you say is contingent on a completely fictionalized premise that you've made up entirely ******* wholesale.
Your "WIS OR EVE DIES!" position is strictly a work of fiction.
Cite reality or **** off. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:09:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?
Seriously, not once. Not even on my really rather substandard laptop. I keep hearing about it but it seems to be from a vocal minority who were on the wrong end of a rare phenomen rather than an endemic flaw like with the whole boot.ini thing.
You are not the only one. I suffered no real issues. My system at the time was cutting edge. I didn't notice anything of mention until I read the forum complaints. All I saw was a bit more heat and thus a bit higher RPMs on my GPU fans.
But I think the forums alone revealed a large and wide issue impacting many people.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3608
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:12:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
It's not about EVE. It's about CCP. Can they afford to live on the income generated by "no nonsense spaceship gamers" alone?
EVE could work perfectly with 15,000 PCU. But CCP would need to fire a lot of people, cut a lot of expenses, and cut down whatever dreams they have for the future if that happened before they have other games providing revenue.
The funny thing about this is that you (and some others like you) talk about a future situation what could be bad for CCP while advocating they repeat something that was actually bad for them lol.
When ccp concentrates on the core focus of the game (spaceships), subs grow, and people keep playing. When they veered way from that and tried to "expand" and "monetize" the game, they almost lost it all.
I'm advocating for CCP to stay the tried and true, sensible course it's on: Keep EVE as EVE, do the things that kept CCP alive this long and ex[and slowly/smartly. Screw the things that don't or didn't work (WiS fits in to that).
I like horses, but that doesn't mean I think CCP should waste time on PiS (Ponies in Stations).
Of course you know that discussion is academic, CCP has said no WiS stuff anytime soon and i agree with them. I'm just pointing out how incredibly irrational the WiS fringe is. i simply think yall are playing the wrong game. Go play Star Trek and Beam down all you want. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:13:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Stitcher wrote:Am I the only one around here who never noticed any problems with the code and optimisation of Incarna?
Seriously, not once. Not even on my really rather substandard laptop. I keep hearing about it but it seems to be from a vocal minority who were on the wrong end of a rare phenomen rather than an endemic flaw like with the whole boot.ini thing. You are not the only one. I suffered no real issues. My system at the time was cutting edge. I didn't notice anything of mention until I read the forum complaints. All I saw was a bit more heat and thus a bit higher RPMs on my GPU fans. But I think the forums alone revealed a large and wide issue impacting many people.
Like I said, you guys got lucky. I was among those who noticed major problems with the hardware and poorly optimized code. Thankfully, I wasn't among those whose graphics cards melted. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3608
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:14:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing more of such content at this point. Eve Online has mostly recovered thanks to Crucible, Inferno, Retribution, Odyssey, and now Rubicon. At this point, I think now would be a good time to focus at least a little bit to open that damn door.
That makes no sense. It's like saying "I shot my self in the foot, but it healed so now I can shoot my other foot".
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
792
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:14:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: CCP didn't do much of anything for a couple years in EVE while working on this thing.
That is actually wrong but repeated so often that people tends to believe it.
It comes down to 'Carbon(tm)', something that people still think is only related to GPU burning furries.
They decided to both upgrade and bugfix fugly old code because they spent more time on emergencies than on adding new stuff.
The case for doing that was that if the old 'baby jesus crying' code was updated and eve specific stuff moved from the core, they could expand.
Do a search for a number of very yummy (if somewhat nerdy) dev blogs by Veritas&Co and you find a lot of stuff that was coded during those "dark ages".
So "didn't do much for EvE" is a complete lie. It wasn't just for EvE and a lot of it didn't show up in the client, until 6-12 months later.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2671
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:17:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Personally my opinion is that they've painted themselves in a corner after a series of bad decissions and are trying to sell the corner as the place they always wanted to be.
If that is so, then they have painted them self into a corner where they have survived and grown for 10 years. Which might not be the wrong move. Getting stuck in a dark corner, where you have a chance to stay and grow can be better than hitting for the centre of the floor and get stomped.
You're talking about 2003-2009. But now it's 2013, and EVE only can grow towards the centre of the room. And that centre is about to be taken over by a returning behemoth.
Currently Star Citizen, the game that doesn't exists, already haves more customers than EVE. That's how the centre of the room looks like, and the corner only grows narrower in the opposite direction. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
793
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:17:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote: Is there any danger that you might generate an argument, at some point, that isn't completely bullshit?
It's possible, but since I like to argument, I'm not sure.
Oh?
The other one? Sorry.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Mr Pragmatic
760
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Posted - 2013.12.06 18:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Ishtanchuk Fazmarai]
I'm advocating for CCP to stay the tried and true, sensible course it's on: Keep EVE as EVE, do the things that kept CCP alive this long and ex[and slowly/smartly. Screw the things that don't or didn't work (WiS fits in to that)..
So lets not innovate anymore. Your argument to "Go okay Startrek, SWTOR" is complete bull crap.
I like Eve and its mechanics and its space ships. I like many people can enjoy and like many things.
Meaning, I can like multiple aspects of the game and wish for more expansion.
I don't like Sov and null sec game play, but you know what? They can continue to make more mechanics for it.
I'm not going to whine and cry about it and say "Stop enjoying things I don't like." Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
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