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Rebel Witch
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:40:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Ila Dace] Do you think we all just made up our memories of US screaming "it's a space ship game" to CCP and our CSM reps?
Agreed, its a pixel spaceship game and it is doing well.
However i have to support the roleplayers too because i am one, there is always room for improvements and expansions. CCP just needs to keep doin it right. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:43:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:You supported the notion that CCP spent 18 months developing the CQs when they didn't, I dispelled the notion No, you didn't. You going to support that statement? No. Know why? Because you can't. That's as much talking to you as I can stand today.
Why don't you support your statement first. Dazzle us with the proof that CCP didn't waste almost two years on Incarna. EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:44:00 -
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You could post some screenshots of your captain's quarters! EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Hemi DarkStar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:45:00 -
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Bel Tika wrote:i really do hate it when i accidentally press the captains quarters tbh
Same goes for me pressing the hangar button.
Quote:WiS types are delusional.
No we hold on to the subject because CCP is doing the same. There is no definitive NO WiS, and here in lies the problem and why some of us keep bringing it up. Oh and the fact that ALLOT of people want to see it happen of course. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:50:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Rhes wrote:Baroness Vulna wrote:Well CCP is going to lose alot more players if they just ignore avatars and walking in stations because there are a great many players (i know of) who want that to be part of the game they play. That's fine. If people can't live without wizard robes and dance emotes they shouldn't be playing Eve in the first place. All the people who want WiS don't want those things, so your comment applies to no one. In which case, why bother posting it at all? They say they don't want those things but when they actually list what they do want wizard robes and dance emotes are actually less offensive. Roleplayers are the worst.
Don't assume you speak for others. You don't. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17656
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:52:00 -
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The origin of 18 months, just as a further FYI. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:52:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Rhes wrote:They say they don't want those things but when they actually list what they do want wizard robes and dance emotes are actually less offensive. Roleplayers are the worst.
Don't assume you speak for others. You don't.
The truth is the truth despite the number of people who believe it.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
488
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:53:00 -
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Hemi DarkStar wrote:No we hold on to the subject because CCP is doing the same. There is no definitive NO WiS, and here in lies the problem and why some of us keep bringing it up. Oh and the fact that ALLOT of people want to see it happen of course.
You must have missed the Reddit AMA where CCP Rise made the statement in my signature.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 14:55:00 -
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Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Roleplayers are bad.
Definately the worst thing in this MMORPG we pay for High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2670
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:12:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:As above. You've had this explained to you before Rhes. Ignorance is not an argument. Then explain why people are *still* crying about WiS when CCP has made it very clear that Eve is about spaceships. Incarna was over two years ago...if you can't live with the state of avatar gameplay at this point why are you still playing?
The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011:
- provide a immersive New Player Experience - improve player attachment to the game - optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD - gain female players - enable vanity microtransactions - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
And currently there's a few more:
- attract new players - compete against a new generation of "classic" space games featuring avatars - expand beyond its stagnant niche
Must be noted that all the above except the expansion can be achieved without additional gameplay. Must be noted too that the ongoing Hallelujah Plan does not adress any of the above. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:17:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011: The difference is now we have direct proof that CCP considers Eve a spaceship game.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1282
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:20:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: -expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
Why in the name of Garp would we want THAT?!
Are you insane!? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1198
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We want CCP to continue with internet spaceship fixes in this internet spaceship game.
Yeah we do, this doesn't mean they can't take like 1% of their time and draw up some rooms we can walk around in. Hell, if they offered I bet the community would design thousands of rooms for them for free.
Also a much wanted WiS addition that people want ... a window so you can see what's outside your station ... is very much a spaceship fix unless there's a good reason for us undocking blind. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3599
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:21:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:As above. You've had this explained to you before Rhes. Ignorance is not an argument. Then explain why people are *still* crying about WiS when CCP has made it very clear that Eve is about spaceships. Incarna was over two years ago...if you can't live with the state of avatar gameplay at this point why are you still playing? The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011: - provide a immersive New Player Experience - improve player attachment to the game - optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD - gain female players - enable vanity microtransactions - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche And currently there's a few more: - attract new players - compete against a new generation of "classic" space games sporting avatars - expand beyond its stagnant niche Must be noted that all the above ecept the expansion can be achieved without additional gameplay. Must be noted too that the ongoing Hallelujah Plan does not adress any of the above.
And none of that addresses the potential downsides, life for instance more people playing Avatar online means fewer people in space and thus vulnerable to having a ship blown up....in a game where the driving force of the economy is consumption.
Or
Attracting the wrong sort of players to the game (ie none Spacefarers) , who in turn will demand more and more content basically forcing CCP to spend more and more of it's finite resources (and no matter how big CCP gets, those resourse will always be finite) on something other than the core of the game (space ships) ie the thing that made EVE special in the 1st place..
WiS is a distraction. If someone wants that they should play Star Trek Online or wait for Star Citizen, EVE is unique and special because it's a no nonsense space ship game appealing to no nonsense spaceship gamers who are willing to stay with such a game for decades. Do fix what ain't broken.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
785
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:23:00 -
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Major Trant wrote: To all those people talking about WiS that was almost complete and then arbitrarily thrown out to start again on a new engine. Rubbish! WiS failed, for whatever reason they couldn't get it working. They gave up on it.
For a given value of failure.
They failed to get it good enough to serve any more serious game play within the amount of time and resources they had available.
When they chose to remove a major amount of resources from WoD, there was no longer a valid case for pushing WiS.
Major Trant wrote: What we got was a face saving exercise, which failed to do even that. CCP are never going to work on it again, but after so much time and effort wasted, they are too embarrassed to admit it.
What we got was an implementation of what they had and what they judged worth to implement.
One can also be a wee bit cynic and add that they got a serious amount crash dumps, bug reports and use cases that can be used for next iteration ;)
Major Trant wrote: That is why no CCP employee has commented on this thread.
It's a young thread, and one that might bring up quite emotional reactions memories from CCP staff.
Remember that when we got parts of a future game removed or delayed, they had friends who lost their jobs.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1282
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:25:00 -
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Sentamon wrote: Yeah we do, this doesn't mean they can't take like 1% of their time and draw up some rooms we can walk around in.
OMG THAT SOUNDS SO FRICKIN AWESOME
And here I am wasting my time flying a spaceship around when I could be walking IN AND OUT OF ROOMS! High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
489
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:25:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:We want CCP to continue with internet spaceship fixes in this internet spaceship game. Yeah we do, this doesn't mean they can't take like 1% of their time and draw up some rooms we can walk around in
You already have four. That's enough considering we had to suffer two years of real Eve content being ignored to get them.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3599
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: -expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
Why in the name of Garp would we want THAT?! Are you insane!?
Some people can't help but see the Waldorf Astoria (EVE Online) and yern to turn it into the Econo Lodge (games that are not EVE Online).
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
962
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ila Dace wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote: The players did , whith their massive revotls, riots and demands that CCP scrapped the focus on incarna in favor of SPACE. CCP lost a LOT of costumers and only started gettign them back after they complied.
THey leaarned a lesson. Do not expect anything incarna related soon.
I really hate revisionist history. The statue shooting and unsubscribing was over the NeX, Pay-to-Win, and because Incarna didn't deliver enough avatar gameplay for the time it took to develop it. WiS types are delusional (as evidenced by you people still harping on this 2 years after it's all been decided). Do you think we all just made up our memories of US screaming "it's a space ship game" to CCP and our CSM reps? I didn't shoot the statue but I did post in the threadnaught (as Nyssa Litari, now of Doomheim). There were people yelling about having avatars at all, but they were in the minority. Of those who were vocal, most were vocal about the $1000 jeans and the leaked newsletter. Many were vocal about how FiS features were neglected. Only a few held the position that the only gameplay Eve had room for was FiS, mostly because it is a silly position. Trading is not Flying in Space, for example. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3600
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:28:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Hemi DarkStar wrote:No we hold on to the subject because CCP is doing the same. There is no definitive NO WiS, and here in lies the problem and why some of us keep bringing it up. Oh and the fact that ALLOT of people want to see it happen of course. You must have missed the Reddit AMA where CCP Rise made the statement in my signature.
What this one?
"EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise".
The walking in space see that as:
"EVE grable bargle wahtoosie grable torgrable gameplay garble - CCP Rise".
Therefore WiS wishing causes Dsylexia.
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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1284
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:28:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Some people can't help but see the Waldorf Astoria (EVE Online) and yern to turn it into the Econo Lodge (games that are not EVE Online).
Yeah I cant wait till the Lady GaGa tshirts are available in the NEX store and the latest pophit is available on the juke for 4.99 (plus tax) High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
233
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:33:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:WASPY69 wrote:CCP clearly said in a recent statement that EVE is, in fact a game about internet spaceships, and so therein lies the primary development focus. So don't wait up at night expecting WIS to arrive anytime soon. And on your latter question, not to promote another game, but i believe Star Citizen will have said walking in stations, or at least in your ship hangar. Yup but they did spend 4 years of development on it... so that was just a complete waste then?
I would hope that development time was used into make Dust 514 or at least practical use when they developed it.
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Rebel Witch
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
20
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:36:00 -
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WoD is going to crash and burn like 95% of MMO's out there. I hope they scrap that vampire stuff and focus 100% on EVE.... then again having fangs in a spaceship game sounds promising.... |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1284
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:37:00 -
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Rebel Witch wrote:WoD is going to crash and burn like 95% of MMO's out there. I hope they scrap that vampire stuff and focus 100% on EVE.... then again having fangs in a spaceship game sounds promising....
*non-sarcasm mode active* Had you heard of WoD before CCP said they were doing it? High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
785
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:41:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011:
- provide a immersive New Player Experience - improve player attachment to the game - optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD - gain female players - enable vanity microtransactions - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
And currently there's a few more:
- attract new players - compete against a new generation of "classic" space games featuring avatars - expand beyond its stagnant niche
Must be noted that all the above except the expansion can be achieved without additional gameplay. Must be noted too that the ongoing Hallelujah Plan does not adress any of the above.
Now.
Since it doesn't look like we are getting any avatar based game play in the close future (which in EvE terms means not for then next 3-5 years) it either means that you have a better understanding of the market and/or are much smarter then CCP management.
Or that they have other opinions and/or access to information that you don't have.
Since I refuse to question your intelligence I think it comes down to the latter.
But one thing.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
Is that really very wise?
Isn't that what has kept EvE alive for 10 years, despite "EvE Killers" popping up every 6-12 months?
If you are running a small but successful and commercially stable book shop focussed on a narrow but enthusiastic audience. Is going for wider audience always the best solution?
Or could, for example, using what you have a try to create an another store focussing on a different but equally narrow audience be wiser?
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
233
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:45:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Your kind are the worst. Reported for racism.
Context is important you know.
He was referring to role players. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1285
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:46:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Rhes wrote:Davon Mandra'thin wrote:Your kind are the worst. Reported for racism. Context is important you know. He was referring to role players.
We can all see the kids, Steve. Gaaahhhdd High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
523
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:47:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Sentamon wrote: Yeah we do, this doesn't mean they can't take like 1% of their time and draw up some rooms we can walk around in.
OMG THAT SOUNDS SO FRICKIN AWESOME And here I am wasting my time flying a spaceship around when I could be walking IN AND OUT OF ROOMS! They'd want to be some big frickin' rooms to accomodate my sides right now. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Tear Dancer
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:50:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote: It's a young thread, and one that might bring up quite emotional reactions memories from CCP staff.
Remember that when we got parts of a future game removed or delayed, they had friends who lost their jobs.
Someone got fired over walking in stations? Pi$$ed off Exotic Dancer |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3600
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:57:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011:
- provide a immersive New Player Experience - improve player attachment to the game - optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD - gain female players - enable vanity microtransactions - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
And currently there's a few more:
- attract new players - compete against a new generation of "classic" space games featuring avatars - expand beyond its stagnant niche
Must be noted that all the above except the expansion can be achieved without additional gameplay. Must be noted too that the ongoing Hallelujah Plan does not adress any of the above.
Now. Since it doesn't look like we are getting any avatar based game play in the close future (which in EvE terms means not for then next 3-5 years) it either means that you have a better understanding of the market and/or are much smarter then CCP management. Or that they have other opinions and/or access to information that you don't have. Since I refuse to question your intelligence I think it comes down to the latter.
I think it's just a lot to do with outsider arrogance, the whole "I could do way better than that" people have in all aspects of life (like who pot bellied guys who used to play football but never made it to college let alone the pros set around on sundays yelling at TV screens about what NFL players should have done on that last play ).
I couldn't keep my 1st marriage going for 10 years let alone keep an MMO worth millions of dollars with thousands of players. I think I'll reserve judgement about what CCP should be doing with it's properties lol.
Quote:But one thing. Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: - expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche
Is that really very wise? Isn't that what has kept EvE alive for 10 years, despite "EvE Killers" popping up every 6-12 months? If you are running a small but successful and commercially stable book shop focussed on a narrow but enthusiastic audience. Is going for wider audience always the best solution? Or could, for example, using what you have a try to create an another store focussing on a different but equally narrow audience be wiser?
So much this.
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