That is actually wrong but repeated so often that people tends to believe it.

It comes down to 'Carbon(tm)', something that people still think is only related to GPU burning furries.

They decided to both upgrade and bugfix fugly old code because they spent more time on emergencies than on adding new stuff.

The case for doing that was that if the old 'baby jesus crying' code was updated and eve specific stuff moved from the core, they could expand.

Do a search for a number of very yummy (if somewhat nerdy) dev blogs by Veritas&Co and you find a lot of stuff that was coded during those "dark ages".

So "didn't do much for EvE" is a complete lie. It wasn't just for EvE and a lot of it didn't show up in the client, until 6-12 months later.

The funny thing about this is that you (and some others like you) talk about a future situation what could be bad for CCP while advocating they repeat something that was actually bad for them lol.

When ccp concentrates on the core focus of the game (spaceships), subs grow, and people keep playing. When they veered way from that and tried to "expand" and "monetize" the game, they almost lost it all.

I'm advocating for CCP to stay the tried and true, sensible course it's on: Keep EVE as EVE, do the things that kept CCP alive this long and ex[and slowly/smartly. Screw the things that don't or didn't work (WiS fits in to that).

I like horses, but that doesn't mean I think CCP should waste time on PiS (Ponies in Stations).




Of course you know that discussion is academic, CCP has said no WiS stuff anytime soon and i agree with them. I'm just pointing out how incredibly irrational the WiS fringe is. i simply think yall are playing the wrong game. Go play Star Trek and Beam down all you want.

So lets not innovate anymore. Your argument to "Go okay Startrek, SWTOR" is complete bull crap.

I like Eve and its mechanics and its space ships. I like many people can enjoy and like many things.

Meaning, I can like multiple aspects of the game and wish for more expansion.

I don't like Sov and null sec game play, but you know what? They can continue to make more mechanics for it.

I'm not going to whine and cry about it and say "Stop enjoying things I don't like."

That makes no sense. It's like saying "I shot my self in the foot, but it healed so now I can shoot my other foot".

Then you don't understand what I'm saying. No one is saying stop innovating., By all means, innovate new things that have to do with spaceshisp. If you don't want to do things with space ships that's cool, you should be playing a game that isn't completely about the spaceships, like STO and SWTOR.

I'm not trying to stop you from playing a game some way, but I'm saying I agree with CCPs stance of not wasting time on something only a small fringe of malcontents want in the 1st place.

Then you don't understand what I'm saying. No one is saying stop innovating., By all means, innovate new things that have to do with spaceshisp.

So you want to limit the innovation to just one -the only important- aspect of the game?

The funny thing about this is that you (and some others like you) talk about a future situation what could be bad for CCP while advocating they repeat something that was actually bad for them lol.

When ccp concentrates on the core focus of the game (spaceships), subs grow, and people keep playing. When they veered way from that and tried to "expand" and "monetize" the game, they almost lost it all.

I'm advocating for CCP to stay the tried and true, sensible course it's on: Keep EVE as EVE, do the things that kept CCP alive this long and ex[and slowly/smartly. Screw the things that don't or didn't work (WiS fits in to that).

I like horses, but that doesn't mean I think CCP should waste time on PiS (Ponies in Stations).




Of course you know that discussion is academic, CCP has said no WiS stuff anytime soon and i agree with them. I'm just pointing out how incredibly irrational the WiS fringe is. i simply think yall are playing the wrong game. Go play Star Trek and Beam down all you want.

beg to differ, I believe the malcontents that complain against WiS comprise maybe 15% of Eve. Out of that 15% I contend maybe 5% are militantly against it. Out of that 5% maybe 2% will actually quit....and than will come back.

The other 85% of Eve players could care less either way with WiS content and would be mildly satisfied with an expansion of something that doesn't concern the things of Space ships.

So you want to limit the innovation to just one aspect of the game?

name one good reason, why CCP should waste time on something like that?

If you want to "mingle" you can undock and orbit their spaceship with your space ship while talking to them in local or over EVE-voice/teamspeak etc etc. How can you need to be looking at a man shaped mountain of pixels to "mingle"?

You're talking about 2003-2009. But now it's 2013, and EVE only can grow towards the centre of the room. And that centre is about to be taken over by a returning behemoth.

Currently Star Citizen, the game that doesn't exists, already haves more customers than EVE. That's how the centre of the room looks like, and the corner only grows narrower in the opposite direction.

What was bad for CCP Communism was the absolute disaster of the implementation of WiS The Soviet Union, not WiS Communism itself. Who could figure that a shoddy work reality is bad for business ideology?

Anyway, the list I provided earlier remains. It's nice how none of you has tried to deny the points in it...

Fixed. reminded me of a discussion I had in a PoliSci class 20 years ago.



Already did, didn't you see my post.

Look, I don't want to continue having an argument with you over something that is petty. I respec your opinions, therefore you should respect mines. We both want Eve Online to improve and innovate and therefore we should find common ground with that.

Ok, now you're just acting like a selfish child.

All joking aside, i simply think what some of you want is unrealistic, not in keeping with what EVE is and too "pie in the sky" for my tastes. I don't care one way or another for WiS, but I agree with CCP not wasting time on it.

I'm calling it like I see it.

I'm not the one complaining about how CCP won't give me my space barbies, that would be you guys.

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players still believe in the concept of WiS and Immersion in the hangar. But a thread alone will not convince CCP. I think talking about this topic more to devs' to CSM's and in Iceland will show the developers just how important this kind of content still is to the future of EVE even if it is not absolutely necessary to the space portion of the game.

You're talking about 2003-2009. But now it's 2013, and EVE only can grow towards the centre of the room. And that centre is about to be taken over by a returning behemoth.

Currently Star Citizen, the game that doesn't exists, already haves more customers than EVE. That's how the centre of the room looks like, and the corner only grows narrower in the opposite direction.

Fixed. reminded me of a discussion I had in a PoliSci class 20 years ago.

Then I'm done debating with you. It's obvious that nothing I say will change your mind. You are just dead set on limiting innovation overall.

Because the people who would use it don't understand that CCP wasting finite resources on something (that isn't about the games FOCUS) is bad.

Fixed. reminded me of a discussion I had in a PoliSci class 20 years ago.



Already did, didn't you see my post.