WAlking in stations is a real part of EVE content sir, that happened in 2011 and nothing will change that. All I and others are asking for is a piece of the pie each expansion to see it grow. Who knows you may like the improvements someday yourself while still being able to do your internet spaceships.

Developing content for WiS need not be too difficult

Please see the quote in my signature.

Please see the quote in my signature.

when EVE gets competition from elite and star citizen and other sci fi games in development

the difference between spaceships and avatars is an illusion. It's all EVE.

Let's hope CCP keeps their promise to focus on real Eve content.

The two years that Eve got ignored while WiS was developed say otherwise.

Thats probably the same DEV who made the decisions that made Incarna a disaster, but who cares.

Anyone who remembers Ambulation or has hope in the inspiration that more Character based Immersion can add to EVE Online should let CCP know. Don't let failure of the past or nay sayers tell you otherwise, this game is about space and is without limits, so why stop now.

And none of that addresses the potential downsides, life for instance more people playing Avatar online means fewer people in space and thus vulnerable to having a ship blown up....in a game where the driving force of the economy is consumption.

Or

Attracting the wrong sort of players to the game (ie non-Spacefarers) , who in turn will demand more and more content basically forcing CCP to spend more and more of it's finite resources (and no matter how big CCP gets, those resourse will always be finite) on something other than the core of the game (space ships) ie the thing that made EVE special in the 1st place..


WiS is a distraction. If someone wants that they should play Star Trek Online or wait for Star Citizen, EVE is unique and special because it's a no nonsense space ship game appealing to no nonsense spaceship gamers who are willing to stay with such a game for decades. Do fix what ain't broken.

That might be true if you ask a game designer.

If you understood a minor fraction of the difference between rendering a somewhat lifelike avatar and a spaceship then you wouldn't state it so casual.

Don't let failure of the past or nay sayers tell you otherwise, this game is about space and is without limits, so why stop now.

Your argument is flawed, implying that they totally neglected anything space ship related. The game has been/and always will be in a constant state of being "fixed".

There will never been a time where the Developers go "Well, all he game mechanics are perfect now. Lets move on to WiS."

The thing that burned so many players in my opinion is the Micro Transaction debacle. Not the actual WiS. The WiS is just a by product of MT. They can still expand the WiS with out the MTs.

I actually do understand the difference, quite intimately.

I was talking from a high-concept philosophical perspective rather than a technical one. As should have been obvious.

Fix sov and caps/supercaps before any of this fluff crap, thanks.

How is EVE better? Dead or with WiS?

How about because CCP is a very small company with limited resources?

And with a solid (but loud, informed, rude and annoying) user base they have to thread a bit careful?

The game might be about space and without limits, CCP has limits.

But the reason why WiS is in this state, and why it'll remain in this state for some years is and remains a technical one.

If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years.

What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things?

EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys.

If WiS is so important, why isn't EVE dead already? It's been 10 years.

What makes you think that a game that has survived everything up to and including massive CCP screw ups is going to die because it lacks people shaped pixels doing things?

EVE is better off staying EVE. The people who want to walk around should play games that feature that (hell, there's a Star Wars game going that has that, a Star Trek game that has it, etc etc, just pick one). EVE is for the spaceship guys.

How about because CCP is a very small company with limited resources?

And with a solid (but loud, uninformed, rude and annoying) user base they have to thread a bit careful?

The game might be about space and without limits, CCP has limits.

I think it's quite clear that the major reason for that is one of opposition and philosophy rather than technical challenge. CCP don't let technical challenges stop them - if they did, EVE wouldn't even exist. Technical challenges are eminently surmountable - player hostility is less so.

Every time somebody even mentions the possibility of resurrecting Incarna content, we get a thread full of hostility, usually spearheaded by the Goons for some reason.

Now.

Since it doesn't look like we are getting any avatar based game play in the close future (which in EvE terms means not for then next 3-5 years) it either means that you have a better understanding of the market and/or are much smarter then CCP management.

Or that they have other opinions and/or access to information that you don't have.

Since I refuse to question your intelligence I think it comes down to the latter.(...)

The arguments in favor of avatars still are the same now as they were in 2011:

- provide a immersive New Player Experience
- improve player attachment to the game
- optimize and exploit the resources spent in developing WoD
- gain female players
- enable vanity microtransactions
- expand EVE beyond its "cult" niche

Spaceships spend more time in a drydock getting repairs and waiting for its next mission than it spends in space. Why not expand on that environment where the ship is in its dock. How about expand the camera options so we can see past the ship in its dock. How about putting multiple ships on the screen that are in our hangar. How about letting us take a small shuttle or walkway up to our ship so we can see just how big it is next to people. Or perhaps show workmen doing repairs on the ship while it is in dock as you sift through your items and next strategy.

I think part of it was just how poorly implemented Incarna was. They took away the traditional hangar and forced people into the Avatar CQ which really upset people and rightfully so, it was just a silly decision.

Spaceships spend more time in a drydock getting repairs and waiting for its next mission than it spends in space. Why not expand on that environment where the ship is in its dock. How about expand the camera options so we can see past the ship in its dock. How about putting multiple ships on the screen that are in our hangar. How about letting us take a small shuttle or walkway up to our ship so we can see just how big it is next to people. Or perhaps show workmen doing repairs on the ship while it is in dock as you sift through your items and next strategy.

There are so many wonderful and exciting ways CCP can enhance the in station environment and yes, that involves space ships.