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CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 448	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:40:00 - [31] - Quote Querns wrote: CCP SoniClover wrote: Weaselior wrote: There's also no info on how long it takes this thing to power up, which is sort of important. It-¦s 60 seconds. I think he means "how long does it take for the ESS to go from 20% to 25% bounties" bit. It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it-¦s a solo player it can take an hour or more.

Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5925	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:40:00 - [32] - Quote Querns wrote: I think he means "how long does it take for the ESS to go from 20% to 25% bounties" bit. This is correct. I realize it's based on the level of ratting, but I assume it can be expressed in isk or the like (100m isk in bounties to power up each 1% or the like). "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon Backseat Promises 989	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:41:00 - [33] - Quote Reiterating on lowsec, non-faction warfare lowsec is usually quite empty (except for specific systems) similar to nullsec's emptiness in specific places. Having bubbled ESSes droppable in this area of lowsec would add some PvP value to the systems. Georgiy Giggle wrote: ESS is bull ****. Owners of system will get money for nothing. So nullsec will become more empty. Isn't it enought? Most regions are empty cuz ppl only mining moons. So now you wonna nerf life of normal carebears. I dissargee with such feature. Do not like. They don't automatically get the ISK, you can go grab it before they do. Maybe you have to shoot something occasionally then?
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2810	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:41:00 - [34] - Quote Kaeda Maxwell wrote: Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS. The two options either return the bounties to their owners or result in tags that get sold to NPCs. No reduction unless absolutely no one uses them, sorry. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
Nirnaeth Ornoediad Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 186	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:42:00 - [35] - Quote Just what null-sec needs: another nerf to ratting. Solo interceptors are just going to flit around null-sec picking up money tags from people foolish enough to deploy these. The bubble won't even slow them down: they'll be able to warp to zero at the ESS. Fix POSes.-á Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5925	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:42:00 - [36] - Quote CCP SoniClover wrote: It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it-¦s a solo player it can take an hour or more. Does each bounty, independent of the value have the same chance of triggering an increase? Are the increases 1%, .1%, or what? "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."
Kaeda Maxwell Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder 266	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:43:00 - [37] - Quote Querns wrote: Kaeda Maxwell wrote: Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS. Unfortunately, this is not strictly a reduction. In fact, at full strength, the ESS allows more isk to enter the economy than previously. Of course, if no one uses the ESSes, then yeah, it'd be an ISK sink due to the lower total bounties. Don't overlook that it pays out in tags, a number of those will get destroyed, never cashed in at all for other reasons etc. Overall I suspect it'll lead to reduction in ISK flowing in to the economy from rat bounties.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 2627	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:44:00 - [38] - Quote Will we ever get something similar to the ESS for Incursions? Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment 842	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:46:00 - [39] - Quote Dear CCP SoniClover (or Sonic Lover?) Is there are cooldown for the "Take ISK/Tags" button? Or can 0.0 people just place an alt at the ESS and spam the button every 5 minutes to prevent roamers to get steal anything valuable? Do you like the band Dire Straits? German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Isengrimus LOST IDEA C0VEN 12	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:46:00 - [40] - Quote I don't believe these will be actually used by the systems' owners - on the contrary, they will be spammed like the system-wide Siphon units, only to be looted in a more convenient time. Unless the owners loot them first. Which leads me to a question - will there be some sort of a log showing for example who claimed all the ISK stored in the ESS? I understand they will be also deployable in NPC nullsec? In the end, however, I agree that it will just chase more people to hisec, because currently the only few ratters left in the null who still believe in "high risk - high reward" will be easily deprived of the high reward part. So all in all it is a really bad invention.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 142	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:47:00 - [41] - Quote Kaeda Maxwell wrote: Querns wrote: Kaeda Maxwell wrote: Anything that reduces the amount of ISK introduced into the economy via faucets meets with my approval. So yay ESS. Unfortunately, this is not strictly a reduction. In fact, at full strength, the ESS allows more isk to enter the economy than previously. Of course, if no one uses the ESSes, then yeah, it'd be an ISK sink due to the lower total bounties. Don't overlook that it pays out in tags, a number of those will get destroyed, never cashed in at all for other reasons etc. Overall I suspect it'll lead to reduction in ISK flowing in to the economy from rat bounties. It only pays out in tags if you use the BOGART option. The Share option pays directly to wallets. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:47:00 - [42] - Quote Weaselior wrote: CCP SoniClover wrote: It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it-¦s a solo player it can take an hour or more. Does each bounty, independent of the value have the same chance of triggering an increase? Are the increases 1%, .1%, or what? Yes and yes.

Krimishkev Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet 102	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:48:00 - [43] - Quote And entire company of developers to come up with this? It seems to me that CCPs main goal lately has been to make it more difficult to earn isk casually in and already difficult and time consuming game. I guess everyone knows that when ISK becomes harder to accumulate the value of ISK vs. the cost of a PLEX is increased. So more shift toward pay to win, plus a subscription model me thinks this game company is struggling to balance it's books.
Schmata Bastanold The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun 1260	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:49:00 - [44] - Quote Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold

CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:50:00 - [45] - Quote l0rd carlos wrote: Dear CCP SoniClover (or Sonic Lover?) Is there are cooldown for the "Take ISK/Tags" button? Or can 0.0 people just place an alt at the ESS and spam the button every 5 minutes to prevent roamers to get steal anything valuable? Do you like the band Dire Straits? The increased payout is reset each time the ESS is emptied, so you can do that, but then you-¦re never getting the full payout. And yes, I do like Dire Straits very much (the band, not being in one).

Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 517	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:51:00 - [46] - Quote Weaselior wrote: I'm not really convinced the rewards for the ESS are worth the risk, here. You're asking people to put 15% of their bounties at risk for an additional 5-10%. Given the recent interceptor changes there's virtually no way to defend you space against an interceptor gang. The interceptor gang cannot be tackled or delayed, and can buzz every ESS with enough inties that they can easily kill any ratting ship that shows up (and most ratting ships are virtually powerless against an interceptor) and if somehow your defense gang gets there, bug out. There's also no info on how long it takes this thing to power up, which is sort of important. i dont think its gonna be the ratters that will put those up ;) dibs on venal
Chitsa Jason Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 1073	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:51:00 - [47] - Quote This is definatelly going to give some goals for small gangs. For one I am happy how this feature turned out. Thank you CCP for listening in to CSM feedback. CSM8 Member Twitter:-á@ChitsaJason Skype: Casparas
Desert Ice78 Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us 329	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:53:00 - [48] - Quote Is it intended that you should not be able to guard the ESS with a POS? You said 100's of kilometres; how many 100's exactly? Nul sec rental empires will try to use these, but I think only roaming hostile murder gangs will profit. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 142	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:53:00 - [49] - Quote I have more questions I hope you like questions So say I happen upon an ESS and choose the "screw everyone, give me all the money" option. Printing the tags takes 40 seconds. Do I have to stay on grid with the ESS in order to get the tags, or can I warp off and come back after the tags are minted? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:53:00 - [50] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Isn't there any legacy code that could stop you from introducing pointless stuff like ESS and/or MMJD? No, but our long term goal is to have the ESS code become a legacy code that kills good ideas 7 years down the road.

Mizhir Euphoria Released Triumvirate. 50160	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:53:00 - [51] - Quote I like the ESS. Gonna be great to force people out to fight rather than hiding in their pos. Just one question. How 'easy' will it be to kill one? One Man Crew - The official Bringing Solo Back contest SCL5 Winner
Innominate GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 377	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:53:00 - [52] - Quote I guess siphons didn't hurt nullsec enough, so we're going to get more arbitrary penalties? The ESS is a defacto 5% nerf to bounties. Putting one up is actively dangerous. It is a kaleidoscope of bad game design. If the purpose of this is to hurt nullsec ratters, it would have been easier to just nerf bounties. As currently designed, there is no reason to actually set these up and lots of reasons NOT to set them up, making them nothing more than a 5% nerf to bounties. Quote: The ESS has a global beacon, meaning it will be visible by all players, allowing them to warp directly to it. Note that the new scan-block deployable does not interfer with this. The ESS has around 150.000 Hit Points (ca. 90000 structure, and 30000 each in armor and shield). - The ESS can be scooped up by the owner of the ESS (the player that deployed it). So it's an easy target. That depends on the reliability of random corp members with no regard for roles. Quote: The payout level of an ESS is reset if it is destroyed, scooped or when it is accessed and the system-wide pool is distributed. - The current payout level of the ESS is visible in the name of it, and can thus be seen anywhere in the system. - It takes time for the ESS to print the tags and hand them out, this time is 40 seconds. The benefits of which are lost every time hostiles enter the system and feel like shooting it. And they can tell if it's worth it without even having to approach the ESS. If it's worth it, they can steal the isk in less time than it takes for people in system to switch ships. Quote: The ESS has a warp bubble with a radius of 15km. Warping to the ESS brings you to the edge of the bubble. This warp bubble has exactly the same functionality as a normal one. This sure is meaningful in a game full of bubble-immune interceptors and strat cruisers. Quote: Anyone can access an ESS, not just the owner. I too like giving isk to hostiles that pass through my space, there is nothing wrong with this plan. edit: Quote: The increased payout is reset each time the ESS is emptied, so you can do that, but then you-¦re never getting the full payout. Just when I thought it couldn't be made worse. If the purpose of siphons is as an offensive siphon like module while including a nerf to nullsec ratting, this is just a massively over-complicated bounty-siphon. If they're intended to be something that ratters set up to enhance their income, this is laughable and betrays a deep and frightening lack of knowledge of nullsec mechanics.
Telon Londan State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:54:00 - [53] - Quote How long will it take to scoop the ESS? Will it be possible to sit at the ESS with an alt and scoop it immediately as soon as a hostile enters local?

CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 449	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:55:00 - [54] - Quote Querns wrote: I have more questions I hope you like questions So say I happen upon an ESS and choose the "screw everyone, give me all the money" option. Printing the tags takes 40 seconds. Do I have to stay on grid with the ESS in order to get the tags, or can I warp off and come back after the tags are minted? A can will drop with the tags in 40 seconds. So you can leave and come back. And hope you get to the can first

Lazei Magellanic Itg Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:55:00 - [55] - Quote Chitsa Jason wrote: This is definatelly going to give some goals for small gangs. For one I am happy how this feature turned out. Thank you CCP for listening in to CSM feedback. What goals? Based on the information available no null sec ratter is going to bother with this. Maybe if they are in a dead end system and have scouts a jump or two out to see anyone coming so that they can click the button (such amazing gameplay experience btw) before hostiles make it to your system. Its just a pointless nerf to null sec ratting that will probably drive some people back to highsec and diminish your targets even more.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5925	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:56:00 - [56] - Quote CCP SoniClover wrote: Weaselior wrote: CCP SoniClover wrote: It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it-¦s a solo player it can take an hour or more. Does each bounty, independent of the value have the same chance of triggering an increase? Are the increases 1%, .1%, or what? Yes and yes. Uh the second question wasn't yes/no "I can hire one-half of the working class to kill the other half."

CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:56:00 - [57] - Quote Telon Londan wrote: How long will it take to scoop the ESS? Will it be possible to sit at the ESS with an alt and scoop it immediately as soon as a hostile enters local? It-¦s quick, so this is possible. Note that this resets the payout value and allows anyone to place an ESS of their own somewhere in the system to access the pool.


CCP SoniClover C C P C C P Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.01.14 15:58:00 - [58] - Quote Weaselior wrote: CCP SoniClover wrote: Weaselior wrote: CCP SoniClover wrote: It depends on the amount of activity in the system (as each bounty payout has a chance of triggering increase). If several people are ratting together it should take around 30 minutes. If it-¦s a solo player it can take an hour or more. Does each bounty, independent of the value have the same chance of triggering an increase? Are the increases 1%, .1%, or what? Yes and yes. Uh the second question wasn't yes/no Yeb, see that now, sorry . It-¦s 1% per increase, so five triggers takes it to full. And before you ask, I-¦m not going to tell you what the chance is

Hatsumi Kobayashi Origin. Black Legion. 339	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:00:00 - [59] - Quote You're supposed to make people want to live in nullsec more, not less. No sig.
aoeu Itonula School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.01.14 16:00:00 - [60] - Quote as-is I can't possibly imagine anyone placing one of these to actually use, given how easy it is for interceptor gangs to swoop in and take the loot. The only people I see deploying it are people running around ratting space trying to find fights. really this is just another factor driving people away from nullsec pve, which is already awful enough as-is. Is this an effort to try to get more people into highsec incursion farming?

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