* Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect. This is to reduce the feasibility of using ships immune to bubbles for stealing purposes.

More ideas on how to make the ESS great.

Is there any way CCP could allow NullSec entities to rent LP stores for their stations/outposts as well? maybe like a per month office fee to the Navy. It seems a shame that we need to fly back to Empire to cash this LP in and it would be a damn amazing update if we could buy our implants in our space.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE THIS ON PLEX SITES!?!?!?!?

You didnt pay a whole lot of attention in Economics 101 class, did you?

Given what CCP has said in the past about the horrors involved in coding mission agents into outposts I assume this is technically infeasible especially for a point release.

In fact I thought I got it right. Supply and demand. What did I miss? Please enlighten me.

My thoughts in regards to the LP concerns.

L1-4 Missions: This isn't exactly a bad thing as the community has been asking for nerfs to HighSec ISK for a very long time, having a slight hit in the LP value makes Empire a little less of the ultimate place to make ISK.
Although as I stated in my previous post the real money from LP is currently not with any of the four Empire Navies, Factions like SoE, Thukker etc.

L5 Missions: It does harm these and it would be an idea for CCP to address L5 missions in finding a way to make them valuable again, although saying that FW LP income has already made most L5 missions not greatly viable.

More ideas on how to make the ESS great.

Is there any way CCP could allow NullSec entities to rent LP stores for their stations/outposts as well? maybe like a per month office fee to the Navy. It seems a shame that we need to fly back to Empire to cash this LP in and it would be a damn amazing update if we could buy our implants in our space.

Also being Navy LP we miss out on any chance at using the LP to gain Industry Implants, if the above was enabled it would be nice to have an LP store where we had access too all the non-FW LP items.
The only way I see this working would be for CCP to add a new corporation for each Empire (xxxx Navy Requestions Corp.?) where it would have an LP store separate from those in Empire, this would also give CCP room to set the prices of items separate from those in Empire, maybe because we're not directly in the Empire helping they would cost a little more but we would at least have access to them any time.

Yep, and this is why I oppose the idea of CCP "developing in a vacuum" . Everything they do affects everything else and sometimes they don't outwardly seem aware of this. Lvl 5s have needed some love for years and this is going to make them a much much worse option.



+1. using existing LP stores is IMO a mistake. If CCP wants to do this they should make up new faction corps with new LP stores.

Supply is already too high, twerp.

Simple, demand does NOT get dictated by supply, It's the other way around.

Actually not a bad idea

Here's a quick update on the changes we've made to the ESS, based on testing and feedback. There is a dev blog coming out tomorrow detailing these (and other changes) to the deployables in 1.1, but here's a basic overview.

Additions/edit
* With an active ESS in system, bounties pay out LP in addition to normal ISK reward. LP reward starts at 0.15 LP per 1000 ISK and can increase to 0.2 LP per 1000 ISK as the bonus payout increases. As an example, a bounty worth 1 million ISK (total) gives between 150 and 200 LPs, based on payout level. This is to address the risk vs. reward concerns. Thanks to those that suggested using LPs instead of ISK for balance.
* There is now no timer to open the ESS window where the player gets to choose to Share or Take all, but both options now have separate timers on them. Share has 20 seconds, Take all has 180 seconds. Moving out of range while the timer is ongoing resets the timer. This is to reduce the feasibility of having an alt sit at the ESS and quickly empty the pool when someone shows up.
* Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect. This is to reduce the feasibility of using ships immune to bubbles for stealing purposes.

Also, some of the stats have changed:
* Price lowered from 30 million to 25 million
* Hit points increased from 150k to 250k
* Volume increased from 150 to 200
* Increased minimum range from stargates/stations to 3000 km, from 300.
* Activation time increased to 120 seconds, up from 60 seconds

Some of these changes are already out on Sisi, the rest should be there soon. Thank you all for your feedback.

Here's a quick update on the changes we've made to the ESS, based on testing and feedback. There is a dev blog coming out tomorrow detailing these (and other changes) to the deployables in 1.1, but here's a basic overview.

Additions/edit
* With an active ESS in system, bounties pay out LP in addition to normal ISK reward. LP reward starts at 0.15 LP per 1000 ISK and can increase to 0.2 LP per 1000 ISK as the bonus payout increases. As an example, a bounty worth 1 million ISK (total) gives between 150 and 200 LPs, based on payout level. This is to address the risk vs. reward concerns. Thanks to those that suggested using LPs instead of ISK for balance.
* There is now no timer to open the ESS window where the player gets to choose to Share or Take all, but both options now have separate timers on them. Share has 20 seconds, Take all has 180 seconds. Moving out of range while the timer is ongoing resets the timer. This is to reduce the feasibility of having an alt sit at the ESS and quickly empty the pool when someone shows up.
* Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect. This is to reduce the feasibility of using ships immune to bubbles for stealing purposes.

Also, some of the stats have changed:
* Price lowered from 30 million to 25 million
* Hit points increased from 150k to 250k
* Volume increased from 150 to 200
* Increased minimum range from stargates/stations to 3000 km, from 300.
* Activation time increased to 120 seconds, up from 60 seconds

Some of these changes are already out on Sisi, the rest should be there soon. Thank you all for your feedback.

cause thatGÇÿs not what I am.

Then stfu, you have no idea what your talking about.

Here's an idea to "compensate the high sec mission runners".

ESS, rather than being seeded on the market directly, comes from LP stores and requires a minimum standing of 5.0 with the corp to buy it.

Could be made available from all high sec NPC corps (so not pirates/soe) such you could choose whose LP you are getting.

By requiring standing as well as LP it gives a small boon to mission runners as not everyone has 5.0 with every faction.

The LP sink (along with ISK sink) would offset some of the LP generated in this new deployable.

Becomes semi-renewable for the null-bear by means of LP able to buy a new one if the old one gets bust, so long as they had the standing in the first place (used to run missions).

Just a thought.

Regarding the warp disruption effect, we're still tweaking the effect, so it's not 100% set right now, but most likely will be similar to infinity point that does not prevent MWD or MJD.

Regarding moving out of range, this stops you interacting with the ESS (resetting the timer), so the effect stops.

Better cash in your Lp now faction ship price are gonna drop like a stone. In before faction domi's are a fleet doc lol

Paging Dinsdale to this thread.

* With an active ESS in system, bounties pay out LP in addition to normal ISK reward. LP reward starts at 0.15 LP per 1000 ISK and can increase to 0.2 LP per 1000 ISK as the bonus payout increases. As an example, a bounty worth 1 million ISK (total) gives between 150 and 200 LPs, based on payout level. This is to address the risk vs. reward concerns. Thanks to those that suggested using LPs instead of ISK for balance.

* Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect. This is to reduce the feasibility of using ships immune to bubbles for stealing purposes.

Here's an idea to "compensate the high sec mission runners".

ESS, rather than being seeded on the market directly, comes from LP stores and requires a minimum standing of 5.0 with the corp to buy it.

Could be made available from all high sec NPC corps (so not pirates/soe) such you could choose whose LP you are getting.

By requiring standing as well as LP it gives a small boon to mission runners as not everyone has 5.0 with every faction.

The LP sink (along with ISK sink) would offset some of the LP generated in this new deployable.

Becomes semi-renewable for the null-bear by means of LP able to buy a new one if the old one gets bust, so long as they had the standing in the first place (used to run missions).

Just a thought.

OMG that's going to be epic when he finds out that the null sec cartels had a secret meeting with CCP and the end result was the screwing of high sec...

Better cash in your Lp now faction ship price are gonna drop like a stone. In before faction domi's are a fleet doc lol

This is correct. The LP goes directly to the wallets of each pilot as they get their isk ticks.