I'd like a CCP statement on what they think of the whole situation. Clearly, the ESS is crap and they surely know that by now.

A couple of questions around exactly how this will work:

1. If the ISK is distributed in the form of tokens that can be traded for cash, how does a contributing player actually receive the token? Obviously, not all players can be present to pick up said tokens, so is it placed in their hangar in a nearby station (determined how?) or what?
2. Exactly how is the token bought by the Empires? Is it buy orders in certain stations (which will therefore attract sales tax), or are they redeemed in loyalty point stores.
3. Can ESS tokens be traded on the market like any other commodity?

It seems like an interesting content generator

This guy's offering solutions instead of whining, good for you.

I like the idea of increasing the reward, I like the idea of taking longer to redeem isk, force the theif to defend their intent to steal, Not sure about idea 3 though. It would interfere with fighting (activate or be shot out) and prevent camping, which a roaming gang would theoretically do to get a fight.



If you moved systems there's a high chance of getting tackled on gate. Conflict created.

Nobody pointed out anything about my post existing anywhere previously in this thread.




POS siphons don't give notifications, they are subterfuge devices to mess with AFK moon mining.
I realize there's no way to "force" conflict other than shutting off all POSs, offlining all cloaks, and shooting everyone out of the station.

So, what is your solution to either fix the ESS or offer a new alternative?



Don't people do that already? *cough* Cloaky campers.

When I think 0.0 ratting I think "Man this stuff needs to be more **** than it presently is". Thanks CCP for coming through and putting the final nail in that coffin. I look forward to people finding new and more inventive ways of making isk.

Burn it with fire, and seriously consider the future employment of members of "team superfriends". I thought I made that pretty clear in my first post. But you're not one for reading, I know...

When I think 0.0 ratting I think "Man this stuff needs to be more **** than it presently is". Thanks CCP for coming through and putting the final nail in that coffin. I look forward to people finding new and more inventive ways of making isk.

Don't people do that already? *cough* Cloaky campers.

A couple of questions around exactly how this will work:

1. If the ISK is distributed in the form of tokens that can be traded for cash, how does a contributing player actually receive the token? Obviously, not all players can be present to pick up said tokens, so is it placed in their hangar in a nearby station (determined how?) or what?
2. Exactly how is the token bought by the Empires? Is it buy orders in certain stations (which will therefore attract sales tax), or are they redeemed in loyalty point stores.
3. Can ESS tokens be traded on the market like any other commodity?

It seems like an interesting content generator

This is definatelly going to give some goals for small gangs. For one I am happy how this feature turned out. Thank you CCP for listening in to CSM feedback.

So we can forget that with the mobile depot a ratting tengu can refit for cloaky nullification and has no problem jumping out. Got ya.

But what about tne smaller groups trying to get started in null with newer players that dont have the options a large alliance has? GSF seem to be a reason some people as want these but that bias neglects the fact that they are the best equiped to handle these with numbers, jump bridges etc etc. So damn the little guy I guess.

And your alternative conflict driver is...

I can tell from YOUR post that you don't actually process what you spew out.

As for my not reading 24 pages, I got the gist of this thread from the first 4 pages.

And your alternative conflict driver is....

Yes, you managed to discern the point of his post. Congratu-*******-lations. Now I'm out before I give myself a hernia trying to explain the nature of reality to you.

Burn it with fire, and seriously consider the future employment of members of "team superfriends". I thought I made that pretty clear in my first post. But you're not one for reading, I know...

There is none. People who rat don't want to fight, they want to rat.

Yes, you were condescending and ******** in the same post. Congratu-*******-lations.

-- The access & theft timers must be long enough for the locals to from up and defend it.

Please continue bringing this quality content to the forums.

I particularly enjoy such classics as:

-GrrGoons
-Post with your main!
-Nullsec systems are capable of supporting 50 ratters

and my new personal favourite:

-dropping a deployable in a ratting system generates conflict

And people who haul plexes in noobships don't want to fight either, they want to haul plexes in noobships. What's your point?

The point is that adding a deployable that doesn't harm them won't effect their behavior. Duh.

True, I forgot depots.

The little guy will be screwed in nullsec as long as winning a fight is an N+1 equation.

Well, I hope you continue to bring great posting such as

- ad hominem those words, don't mean what you think they mean...but I'm not even sure what you think they mean, since your meaning is clearly meaning something else entirely
- posting off topic I am proud to say, this is the first post I have made in this thread that had nothing to do with the issue at hand
- being a condecending forum alt although I am often (rightfully) accused of being condescending, there is a certain...greatness inherent in that word, but enough silliness. Forum alts are made/used for a specific reason, to divorce one's opinions from one's ingame affiliations, and given your attitude, I can hardly see why anyone would post on their main. People such as yourself would instantly dismiss their every word based on whatever affiliation they might have.

Cya around
Now can we let this thread be productive?

I think a neut deploying a deployable that reduces a group of carrier ratters' income by 20% will have a very distinct effect on their behavior.

I think if said ratters are renters and limited to a small number of systems, covering their handful of allowed ratting systems will have a very profound effect on their behavior.

As you so eloquently put: "Duh."

As long as it doesn't produce a functioning ESS module on tranquility, YES!

oh damn, I guess that makes this post on-topic too!

I think a neut deploying a deployable that reduces a group of carrier ratters' income by 20% will have a very distinct effect on their behavior.

I think if said ratters are renters and limited to a small number of systems, covering their handful of allowed ratting systems will have a very profound effect on their behavior.

As you so eloquently put: "Duh."

...or we could talk about how to make it NOT suck? As in increase the potential reward to a max bounty collection of 125%?