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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.01 09:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Vina
Nighthawk and vulture suck in pvp. Nighthawk has 40km range on heavy missiles and 250 dps on them with max skills and implant... oh boy. vulture sucks even more.
Unnerf caldari command ships!
Look at me im a raven..
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2006.06.02 03:15:00 -
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Let's hope that Assault Launcher, The SAvior of Nighthawk, comes in this year...as it can't be seen in patch notes 
Tux, at least slip that launcher in for next patch! (pretty please)
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.06.02 05:02:00 -
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No Nighthawk changes in the patch notes yet. I was starting to hope when I saw the list of all the adjustments being made to ship boni.
It looks like we stay gimped for another month.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.02 15:56:00 -
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Heh, it will still be gimped for a while. I took a risk when I started training for it over a month ago that it would get changed.
I was wrong
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.04 17:45:00 -
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Tux, any thought on the nighthawk loving yet?
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.08 16:22:00 -
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uhh ahhh.... HELP THE NIGHTHAWK!!! lame dev... *It`s not like i own a nighthawk bpo or something.
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Shemaul
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Posted - 2006.06.08 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Fan3Spoitoru
uhh ahhh.... HELP THE NIGHTHAWK!!! lame dev... *It`s not like i own a nighthawk bpo or something.
10 pages of replies and we all own a Nighthawk BPO...
It's quite hard to make money even if CCP will unnerf Nighthawk with all theese BPO around 
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.08 22:53:00 -
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Hmm you all own the nighthawk bpo's. Seems i am the only one that flys it then. Wow i should get these things awfully cheap then
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.09 13:46:00 -
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help the nighthawk..
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.13 01:35:00 -
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Edited by: Double TaP on 13/06/2006 01:42:04
Well bumping this thread even though ive only read a couple pages. Don't really care about targeting to much, and neither should anyone else, but props to j0sephine for putting those numbers out there. Been flying this thing for a while, and dealt with it, but when i really though about its bonuses "wow thanks for letting my extremely slow, crappy agility, t2 version of the battleships little brother, become an antitackling ship." I think the bonuses for nighthawk should go as follows:
Battlecruiser skill bonus: 5% bonus to heavy missile precision per level and 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level.
Command Ship Bonus: 5% bonus to Heavy Missile Kinetic Damage and Heavy missile RoF per level.
That seems about right.
Edit: Went back and read some more and people really shouldn't mesh the fleet command ships with field command ships. Way different skill reqs. Any offensive bonuses that the fleet command ships have should be made into defensive ones. But seeing as the field command ships require the HAC skill set and then some, they really otta do more damage. Oh wait, they all do! EXCEPT FOR THE NIGHTHAWK.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:18:00 -
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bumpidy boo.
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Imode
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:27:00 -
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10 isk says the new Caldari tier 2 BC outdamages the Nighthawk :D
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Imode
10 isk says the new Caldari tier 2 BC outdamages the Nighthawk :D
lol. i wouldn't be surprised if the ferox outdamaged it with dual 150s tbh.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.14 01:56:00 -
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Also, since there is another very long thread on BC agility. I think they ought to keep Command Ship agility the way it is. I mean they are both meant to be in gangs, and they are heavy tanking and the FCS are heavy hitting (except for the nighthawk) so why make them fast. That takes away what the HACs have ont he FCS's. but anyways. back to the important stuff; fix Nighthawk Damage with the bonuses i listed above.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:08:00 -
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bumpus maximus.
this thread shall never die. not until we are safe in the knowledge that the NH will not remain in its current form.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:08:00 -
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bumpus maximus.
this thread shall never die. not until we are safe in the knowledge that the NH will not remain in its current form.
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Waenn Ironstaff
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:15:00 -
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And let us not forget the Vulture.
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Waenn Ironstaff
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Posted - 2006.06.15 03:15:00 -
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And let us not forget the Vulture.
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aquontium
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Posted - 2006.06.15 07:11:00 -
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ever heard of a low slot?
all this me me me me me it's all about pure damage.
stop moaning about what isn't a problem 
*runs before the fire burns too hot*
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.15 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Imode
10 isk says the new Caldari tier 2 BC outdamages the Nighthawk :D
signed... new patch came and the incompetent dev did nothing
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Kamikaaazi
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Posted - 2006.06.15 11:34:00 -
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hell yeah, those ships are heavily gimped. Change NH usless precision bonuses to damage bonuses and double the lockrange on vulture.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.15 11:59:00 -
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****es me off really, the nighthawk is gimped beyond belief and the devs know that, yet they contiune to put it off. Assult missles would be cool but we all know it will take to atleast kali (and who knows how far that is) to get them and still the nighthawks bonuses are useless. Its a quick fix, please just change it.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.15 12:04:00 -
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I think the devs are afraid to change it because its one of those balance things, and thats why they wont do the "quick fix". But after 11 pages of mostly "OH GOD FIX THE SHIP" you would think that maybe it could become a quick fix. I mean anyone with eyes can see its gimped just by comparing it to the other FCS and their HAC counterparts. I still love j0sephines math on the first page.
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.15 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: SavageThrash on 15/06/2006 13:39:35
Originally by: j0sephine
* Cerberus: 5 launchers with 25% dmg, 25% rof bonus ... equals 8.3 launchers
* Nighthawk: 6 launchers with 25% dmg nonus ... equals 7.5 launchers
to summarize:
* absolution: 150% damage of zealot
* astarte: 140% damage of deimos
* sleipnir: 140% damage of vagabond
* nighthawk: 90% damage of cerberus
One small thing j0 the nighthawk only gets 25% dmg bonus if command ships lvl 5 is trained which most people wont do. the cerbs 5% dmg come from cruiser 5 so it sutomatically does 25%. So you should have calculated the nh with 20% dmg not 25%. anyways.... Very very good post j0 and i think a special few should take another look that that.
The problem is not that the devs dont notice it now or even when they designed the ship its their blatenet disregard for the people that have trained it and all they want is a small little fix which could eaisly be solved.
Not as many people complained about the recent IPO scam but yet us that have lost months in training for this ship now have our skillpoints locked in with it forever? people can make isk back, we cant take our skillpoints elsewhere, so fix it.
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Heraklitus Nomidzon
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Posted - 2006.06.15 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fan3Spoitoru
Originally by: Imode
10 isk says the new Caldari tier 2 BC outdamages the Nighthawk :D
signed... new patch came and the incompetent dev did nothing
Now, now--name calling is no way to get what you want.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:46:00 -
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Bump.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:45:00 -
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It keeps going... Its amazing with all the changes to ships this patch, the NH still gets 0. Yet other ships with 0 complaints get upgraded.
Also, at first I thought what most people think.... wait until assault missles. Let's see what those do on a NH and then decide. Maybe that will un-nerf the ship.
But 3 out of 4 boni on the NH are HEAVY MISSLE SPECIFIC. So either they will need to change anyways to assault missle specific or we will get a great new missle and have to waste 3/4 of the ships boni by using it instead of heavies.
This makes no sense!
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:19:00 -
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for all i care give it a rof bonus and make it 5% dmg for cruiser skill and screw assults, then 1 other bonus tht takes care of the perscion bonus like erm target painting?
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:08:00 -
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doesnt ALL Command ships have crappy range?
nighthawk 50k
Vulture 60k
Absolution 50k
Damnation 50k
Astarte 55k
Eos 55k
Claymore 45k
Sleipner 45k
looks like Caldari got the longest range with the Vulture and minmatars the suckiest with 45k
nighthawk dont need range boosted the minmatar ones need it more to get up inline with the other commandships imho
Originally by: F'nog
This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.17 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
doesnt ALL Command ships have crappy range?
nighthawk 50k
Vulture 60k
Absolution 50k
Damnation 50k
Astarte 55k
Eos 55k
Claymore 45k
Sleipner 45k
looks like Caldari got the longest range with the Vulture and minmatars the suckiest with 45k
nighthawk dont need range boosted the minmatar ones need it more to get up inline with the other commandships imho
I wish the guy would change the title of the thread because most people dont really care about targeting range on this ship. Its the crappy bonuses. We want:
Caldari Cruiser Bonus:
5% missile velocity per level
5% shield resists per level
Command Ship Bonus:
5% Rate of Fire for Heavy missiles
and 5% Kinetic Damage per level.
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