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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2006.06.28 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 28/06/2006 12:49:53
 Originally by: Ganandorf
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Would be logical if Nighthawk bonuses would be put in line with the ones like Astarte (ok ship btw.) Sleipnir, Absolution.
Nighthawk bonuses solution:
-Make cruiser sized rocket launcher. Heavy rockets
-Give Nitghawk bonuses to Heavy missiles and Heavy Rockets ROF , then give Heavy rockets additional Rof or dmg bonus to fix them as the weapon of choise
bonuses:
1 shield resistances tho I rather had shield booster bonus like Sleipnir (why caldari should have gimped tanking)
2 5% Heavy Missile and heavy rocket ROF ,
3 5 % to Heavy missiles kinetic dmg and 10% to Heavy Rockets kinetic dmg per command ship lvl
something like that.
so with allmost maxed skills they would have short range weapons dmg output bit lower when compared to astarte (10-15%)
I just started training Caldari cruiser 5. I hope Its not totally wasted skill training.
and fix the siq and agility issues of Command ships. + increase locking ranges of all command ships with 25% or so . Vulture could use even more as it has poor dmg.
gimped tank? do you even fly a nighthawk?
and wtf basically you want blasters that don't use tracking, rather odd if you ask me it'd make the entire game ghey.
heavy missiles are fine imo don't compare it to the astarte the astarte is quite limited and since when should caldari have the 2nd highest dps?? well gl with your ''solutions'' tho but if this happens CCP will lose half their clientel
I hate when I have to spoon feed ppl. first you read my post wrong. When I say equal in relation what astarte is to deimos , Sleipnir is to .. , Absolution is to Zealot. and NIghthawk is worse than Cerb .. that Issue basically the same thing that everyone else has said many times in this thread. The rockets focus in order to keep Heavies the Cerb thing.
The part about tanking was totally without doing any math. I dont know is it worse or equal or better when it comes to tanking..
No I dont yet fly it wich was mentioned in my post as well. ATM I fly Astarte. Well in few days I fly Nighthawk as well.
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Fan3Spoitoru
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Posted - 2006.06.28 13:18:00 -
[422]
help the nighthawk
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Tes Daus
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:24:00 -
[423]
Please, save the Nighthawk!
Bump 
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Ling Xiao
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Posted - 2006.06.29 09:25:00 -
[424]
At least it looks cool.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:27:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Ling Xiao
At least it looks cool.
Maybe the enemies keep staring at it instead of shooting.
wow, what a nice ship.
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Nekora
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:39:00 -
[426]
true that. quite a few ships, and not just caldari (Pick a minmitar ship, any minmitar ship) are not exactly art galery pieces.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.06.29 12:52:00 -
[427]
Edited by: Ishmael Hansen on 29/06/2006 12:54:39
Originally by: Nekora
true that. quite a few ships, and not just caldari (Pick a minmitar ship, any minmitar ship) are not exactly art galery pieces.
Not really, I love the rifter/wolf/jag looks, tempest and probe look good also. Actually I kinda like the raw minmatar looks
edited: - back to topic, fix the nh plz
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SavageThrash
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Posted - 2006.06.29 17:19:00 -
[428]
Fix it or else
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:01:00 -
[429]
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/06/2006 00:02:10
Easy fix:
Role bonus: 90% reduction in cruise launcher powergrid needs.
Change other bonuses to apply to all missile types, not just heavy missiles.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:02:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Easy fix:
Role bonus: 90% reduction in cruise launcher powergrid needs.
And that helps its damage how...oh, it dosnt. Sigh.
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:05:00 -
[431]
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/06/2006 00:05:50
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Easy fix:
Role bonus: 90% reduction in cruise launcher powergrid needs.
And that helps its damage how...oh, it dosnt. Sigh.
*sigh*
Why let math get in the way of being a troll...
Base heavy missile damage with tech 2 launcher: 12.5 DPS
Base cruise missile damage with tech 2 launcher: 17.5 DPS
Last time I checked, 17.5 is bigger than 12.5. But maybe not in Maya Rkell's fantasy world!
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:09:00 -
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Somebody hasn't bothered, as usual, to actually do their maths. They haven't bothered to check what setups you can actually FIT. They haven't bothered to realise that giving up a bonus for that is going to further nerf the ship.
Somebody is accusing ME of living in a fantasy world? Yea, I think they need a mirror, too.
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Merin Ryskin
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Posted - 2006.06.30 00:26:00 -
[433]
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/06/2006 00:27:37
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/06/2006 00:26:19
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Somebody hasn't bothered, as usual, to actually do their maths. They haven't bothered to check what setups you can actually FIT.
And guess what, the Nighthawk could fit a full rack of tech 2 cruise launchers and still have grid and CPU left, without using any fitting mods. If you think it's not enough left over, change it to 95%.
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They haven't bothered to realise that giving up a bonus for that is going to further nerf the ship.
So uh, where do you get the bizarre idea that it's giving up a bonus? Did you notice the part where I said to ADD the 90% grid reduction as a role bonus? Or are you just here to troll instead of actually reading my posts?
The end result is the Nighthawk gets MORE options. The precision bonuses become very useful, allowing a choice between anti-cruiser/bs (cruise), anti-cruiser/frigate (heavy), and frigate's-worst-nightmare (assault/light) setups. And its max potential DPS and range improve considerably.
By the way, concession accepted on your absurd "it gets less damage" argument.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.06.30 22:53:00 -
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I've finally gotten a nighthawk and have been flying it. I am not impressed, and my experiances back up everyone in this thread who is calling for a boost. In the field of pve, sure i can tank a triple 1.5mil bs spawn all day, but i don't have the dps to kill one in under 5 minutes without fitting atleast 3 bcu's (my skills are all level 4, t2 heavies). In the realm of pvp i've tried it as a frig killer and wasn't impressed their either. It kills a stationary frig in 2-3 vollies with t1 ammo, but if the frig is at full speed, especially with a mwd, it still doesn't damage it. So useless in it's intended role as well.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.01 02:19:00 -
[435]
Hard to believe this is still going on....
We really need to get the boni adjusted or get those new assault missles AND get the boni adjusted!! It seems like we will need to wait until Kali.
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Mo Steel
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Posted - 2006.07.01 02:31:00 -
[436]
Needs to be fixed guys, come on. 
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:00:00 -
[437]
It would be so simple to realease a fix with the needed changes to deimos and nighthawk.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:05:00 -
[438]
Well, I finally fly it and I'm not impressed either. Why does it have less grid then the ferox? it has half the sleipnir grid already, which can fit a xl shield booster.
My setup atm includes 3 bcu's II, and gosh it sucks. Well, at least I think I'll be flying a sleipnir in less then 2 months, which I foresee will be before the NH gets fixed.
Damned me for choosing caldari.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
Well, I finally fly it and I'm not impressed either. Why does it have less grid then the ferox? it has half the sleipnir grid already, which can fit a xl shield booster.
My setup atm includes 3 bcu's II, and gosh it sucks. Well, at least I think I'll be flying a sleipnir in less then 2 months, which I foresee will be before the NH gets fixed.
Damned me for choosing caldari.
I'd be going insane if i didn't have the astarte to fly too.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:19:00 -
[440]
gonna use a vulture soon,
and i rlly hope theyre gonna extend that locking range.
kinda sill atm.
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Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Sadist
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Posted - 2006.07.01 03:42:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Necrologic
It would be so simple to realease a fix with the needed changes to deimos and nighthawk.
Deimos first. I've been waiting for a PG deimos fix for a year now, with nothing coming.
Cant even fit a rack of ions+nos.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.07.01 08:21:00 -
[442]
**** 15 pages. call it a hint tux.
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Nekora
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Posted - 2006.07.01 14:47:00 -
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Heh, problem being that almost everything that needs saying has been said, However i doubt we will ever see a balance to the Feild comand ships until Kali... I dont think its something they care about that much. Or, to put it politly, The problem with the Field comand ships is not high on there to-do lists. That or they like the ships being unbalenced. This is something i can only conclude from the lack of feed back on this issue
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.07.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist
Originally by: Necrologic
It would be so simple to realease a fix with the needed changes to deimos and nighthawk.
Deimos first. I've been waiting for a PG deimos fix for a year now, with nothing coming.
Cant even fit a rack of ions+nos.
I fly deimos too, so i agree. But if they are fixing one why not fix the other at the same time.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.02 02:35:00 -
[445]
Edited by: Ishmael Hansen on 02/07/2006 02:37:36
Edited by: Ishmael Hansen on 02/07/2006 02:36:29
ok, I have target navigation predition 5, guided missile precision 4, heavy missile spec 4, and command ship 3
2006.07.02 02:25:06 combat Your Scourge Heavy Missile hits Emperor D'Hoffryn [LGO]<HF>, doing 32.7 damage.
That's on a STOPPED vengeance with scourge, 9.3 damage with havoc. (on shield)
Is this a frig killer?
this is a small gun damage:
2006.06.09 02:14:27 combat Your 250mm Light
Artillery Cannon II perfectly strikes G Genetic
[R.B.S], wrecking for 416.2 damage.
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.02 02:39:00 -
[446]
vengeance*
dunno why, I can't edit the post
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:32:00 -
[447]
Well the ferox is a rail ship (hybrid bonus), and you guys will be getting a missile spamming BC come kali. This missile spamming BC will make the nighthawk obselete.
I propose you change the nighthawk into a destructive rail ship, therefore keeping it useful when you get a missile BC.
This could be overpowered, afaik there is no dual damage bonus rail ship around. The range might also be too low with only one optimal bonus, but it will sure as hell hurt.
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Battlecruiser Skill bonus: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level
Command Ships Skill bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level.
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Change it's turrets to 7 (maybe 6 if that makes it too overpowered).
I think this would make it one hell of a damage dealing rail boat, and it definately won't have it's role stolen by the tier 2 BC when it comes out.
Discuss
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Ishmael Hansen
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:46:00 -
[448]
why not just fix the bonus as it has been thoroughly explained?
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Copine Callmeknau
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Posted - 2006.07.02 03:58:00 -
[449]
Originally by: Ishmael Hansen
why not just fix the bonus as it has been thoroughly explained?
Because the tier 2 caldari BC will make the nighthawk with missile bonuses obselete. Especially the command ship version of the Tier 2 BC.
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See the idiot walk, see the idiot talk
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.02 04:14:00 -
[450]
The nighthawk needs some lovin' 
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