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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.15 22:09:00 -
[541]
 Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 15/07/2006 16:34:27
Whilst not disagreeing with some of the arguments here, I was impressed by the way nighthawks have been performing in the alliance tournament so far. A number of the matches that I watched ended up with a nighthawk tanking four other ships for minutes until it finally *****ed.
Edit: Oh, good grief, stupid profanity filter. For *****ed, read buckled. Or something
Yes as denrace stated, no one is saying the Nighthawk can't tank. But it doesn't tank any better than the other field command ships. It's dps is unfortuntely completely fubar'd. Like has been stated earlier, it needs a huge boost in that area. And 1 RoF bonus is not going to cut it. In order to give the 140% boost in damage over the cerb, the bonuses should be something like:
5% Resists
5% Heavy Missile Rate of Fire
10% Heavy missile velocity
10% Kinetic and 5% EM, thermal, and explosive damage per level.
These orders can be changed around, but the thing would gobble up ammo with 2 RoF bonuses, and just adding one doesnt help the damage enough. Plus both of the frigate killing bonuses suck.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.17 20:38:00 -
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Why are we on page 6? This still has not been fixed... so it needs to go back to page 1!!
Really, why has this not been looked at. I think the Alliance Tournament would have clearly shown tht while the NH can tank, it can't kill. It can't even easily kill the frigs the devs INSIST this is meant to pop.
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.17 21:00:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Why are we on page 6? This still has not been fixed... so it needs to go back to page 1!!
Really, why has this not been looked at. I think the Alliance Tournament would have clearly shown tht while the NH can tank, it can't kill. It can't even easily kill the frigs the devs INSIST this is meant to pop.
I'm going to give CCP the benefit of the doubt and assume this hasn't been fixed because Tux is away.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.18 03:29:00 -
[544]
Or that they are busy developing assault missles to fix it. News of that would be nice though.....
At least give us hope!
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:07:00 -
[545]
did you look at the last page buddy?
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:28:00 -
[546]
Forums glitched on the above post and won't let me edit it. I meant to say that assault missiles won't fix the problem, as was stated earlier.
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Necrologic
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.07.18 05:28:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Or that they are busy developing assault missles to fix it. News of that would be nice though.....
At least give us hope!
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:19:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Necrologic
Forums glitched on the above post and won't let me edit it. I meant to say that assault missiles won't fix the problem, as was stated earlier.
I know, I posted on that several pages ago. It is a start though, and shows that they at least INTEND to come up with some solution.
Even with assualt missles, the boni would have to change as we would no longer use HEAVY missle boni. Besides, the precision skills are still worthless and needs to change to ROF to make us get even close to the other command ships.
Snce the devs seem to think that assualt missles will fix all this, I would LOVE to hear when they are coming out and see some specs on them.
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HippoKing
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.18 20:35:00 -
[549]
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Why are we on page 6? This still has not been fixed... so it needs to go back to page 1!!
I want my nighthawk fixed as much as anyone else, but bumping is counter-productive
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:20:00 -
[550]
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Why are we on page 6? This still has not been fixed... so it needs to go back to page 1!!
I want my nighthawk fixed as much as anyone else, but bumping is counter-productive
Especially when if you look at the last page, I quoted CCP HAMMER saying "were looking at the bonuses". The thread has served its purpose. They're working on it. The fix wont be for a couple months most likely, but they are doing something at least. Even if they dont totally fix it.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:51:00 -
[551]
Edited by: Vaugue on 19/07/2006 17:51:31
Um it doesn't make sence to me that a new type of launcher should be nessesary for *balancing* a ship. They should be balanced and in line with the other ships with it's basic set up, not with an advanced module (ie like a standard launcher is to an assault launcher).
The other CS's would be given an even higher boost should a more specialized turret come out. So why should it take a whole new module 2 months from now to bring it inline with the other command ships in their basic form now?
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:10:00 -
[552]
well the fact is that we are not even sure heavy rockets are coming out, and if they do whether they will come pre-gimped to bloody hell or not. personally, the idea of heavy rockets is appealing to me if they do it right, but i dont care atm, i want heavy missiles to work on the nighthawk. new bonuses. thats all we need.
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SavageThrash
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:14:00 -
[553]
The caldari tourny should have shed some light on this issue, i belive it was ISS vs stain fight? I forget which but i do remeber seeing the nighthawk tanking like a mofo while shooting an ishkur was it? Some small gallente frig, yet while it tanked the other ships for several minutes it was not able to kill 1 frig. embarrassing, 2 useless bonuses 4tw 
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 20:18:00 -
[554]
Originally by: SavageThrash
The caldari tourny should have shed some light on this issue, i belive it was ISS vs stain fight? I forget which but i do remeber seeing the nighthawk tanking like a mofo while shooting an ishkur was it? Some small gallente frig, yet while it tanked the other ships for several minutes it was not able to kill 1 frig. embarrassing, 2 useless bonuses 4tw
Sorry mr.Clueless Corp muppet.
The ishkur had shield maintenance drones, bumping the shield back to 100%, while he was shooting explosive missiles.
Now shush.
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Nekora
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:17:00 -
[555]
1) Yes it tanks well, not the best FiCS tank but still good, thats not the issue. Damage is.
2) Has anyone tryed a passive tank on this yet?
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.20 14:36:00 -
[556]
Of course! I passive tank it. Works well.
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SavageThrash
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.07.20 17:58:00 -
[557]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: SavageThrash
The caldari tourny should have shed some light on this issue, i belive it was ISS vs stain fight? I forget which but i do remeber seeing the nighthawk tanking like a mofo while shooting an ishkur was it? Some small gallente frig, yet while it tanked the other ships for several minutes it was not able to kill 1 frig. embarrassing, 2 useless bonuses 4tw
Sorry mr.Clueless Corp muppet.
The ishkur had shield maintenance drones, bumping the shield back to 100%, while he was shooting explosive missiles.
Now shush.
Yes i know he had shield matience drones but thats still not the point, if you cant break a frigs tank that has some shield rep drones on it how to you expects to break anything else's tank? the drones dont due an incredible amount eaither. With full shield and ANY type missle even if it doesnt get a dmg bonus i would expect it to take out a little more then the shield in one volley 0.o
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Andrea Jaruwalski
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 18:16:00 -
[558]
Originally by: SavageThrash
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: SavageThrash
The caldari tourny should have shed some light on this issue, i belive it was ISS vs stain fight? I forget which but i do remeber seeing the nighthawk tanking like a mofo while shooting an ishkur was it? Some small gallente frig, yet while it tanked the other ships for several minutes it was not able to kill 1 frig. embarrassing, 2 useless bonuses 4tw
Sorry mr.Clueless Corp muppet.
The ishkur had shield maintenance drones, bumping the shield back to 100%, while he was shooting explosive missiles.
Now shush.
Yes i know he had shield matience drones but thats still not the point, if you cant break a frigs tank that has some shield rep drones on it how to you expects to break anything else's tank? the drones dont due an incredible amount eaither. With full shield and ANY type missle even if it doesnt get a dmg bonus i would expect it to take out a little more then the shield in one volley 0.o
Do you know what he had fitted?
Do you know what skills he had?
Do you know how much drones can repair a shield of an assault frigate when your shooting explosive missiles on it?
Did you notice the ishkur tank was getting beaten up before he got repaired?
Are you going to stop to wish for a "i win. 1 volley frigate ship"?
Shesh seriously Savage........
Stop using crappy examples for your nighthawk underpowered crusade.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.20 18:59:00 -
[559]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: SavageThrash
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Originally by: SavageThrash
The caldari tourny should have shed some light on this issue, i belive it was ISS vs stain fight? I forget which but i do remeber seeing the nighthawk tanking like a mofo while shooting an ishkur was it? Some small gallente frig, yet while it tanked the other ships for several minutes it was not able to kill 1 frig. embarrassing, 2 useless bonuses 4tw
Sorry mr.Clueless Corp muppet.
The ishkur had shield maintenance drones, bumping the shield back to 100%, while he was shooting explosive missiles.
Now shush.
Yes i know he had shield matience drones but thats still not the point, if you cant break a frigs tank that has some shield rep drones on it how to you expects to break anything else's tank? the drones dont due an incredible amount eaither. With full shield and ANY type missle even if it doesnt get a dmg bonus i would expect it to take out a little more then the shield in one volley 0.o
Do you know what he had fitted?
Do you know what skills he had?
Do you know how much drones can repair a shield of an assault frigate when your shooting explosive missiles on it?
Did you notice the ishkur tank was getting beaten up before he got repaired?
Are you going to stop to wish for a "i win. 1 volley frigate ship"?
Shesh seriously Savage........
Stop using crappy examples for your nighthawk underpowered crusade.
For the record, this is my underpowered nigthawk crusade. But the tournament is a horrible of example of anything that has to do with pvp balance, so dont even try and relate it to anything.
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Nekora
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Posted - 2006.07.20 21:09:00 -
[560]
Originally by: Double TaP
For the record, this is my underpowered nigthawk crusade. But the tournament is a horrible of example of anything that has to do with pvp balance, so dont even try and relate it to anything.
But you must admit, even at tournument lvl, its damage output is laughable.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.20 21:16:00 -
[561]
damage output is more than laughable. its depressing.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:01:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski
Are you going to stop to wish for a "i win. 1 volley frigate ship"?
I dont think ANYONE wants this to be a frig popper... read the last 19 pages. Anyone but CCP that is, that gives us boni that attempt do that (and fail miserably at it).
That is the issue with this ship, its a bad attempt at a frig popper that no one wants. Has it not been said enough, we have anti-frig ships... give us more!
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:06:00 -
[563]
Originally by: Double TaP
Especially when if you look at the last page, I quoted CCP HAMMER saying "were looking at the bonuses". The thread has served its purpose. They're working on it. The fix wont be for a couple months most likely, but they are doing something at least. Even if they dont totally fix it.
Have you read all the contradictory information on the assault missles coming out?
There has never to my knowledge been anything more than.... 'we are looking into them' 'they might be made' 'they would be cool and solve everything'.
We have no timeline, not even a soon(TM), no stats, no comment on how the boni will change (from heavy missle --> assualt missle related).
For those who trained for 1-3 months to use the NH, it really is sad.
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Ecce Drihten
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:10:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Nekora
1) Yes it tanks well, not the best FiCS tank but still good, thats not the issue. Damage is.
2) Has anyone tryed a passive tank on this yet?
The passive tank rocks. That is the reason I still love and want this ship fixed so badly.
It can tank beautifully, it just can't damage back much as you said.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:15:00 -
[565]
Edited by: Vaugue on 21/07/2006 02:19:46
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Originally by: Nekora
1) Yes it tanks well, not the best FiCS tank but still good, thats not the issue. Damage is.
2) Has anyone tryed a passive tank on this yet?
The passive tank rocks. That is the reason I still love and want this ship fixed so badly.
It can tank beautifully, it just can't damage back much as you said.
Passive tank is the only way i have flown since the day i got my original ferrox. This one thing the NH does very well, but the others can do it just as equally well. Yet as we have seen with statistical proof over the last 19 pages the damage output is like the above post says *depressing* in comparison to other command ships... and yes i saw that tourney fight as well.. sad.
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Vaugue
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Posted - 2006.07.21 02:15:00 -
[566]
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Originally by: Nekora
1) Yes it tanks well, not the best FiCS tank but still good, thats not the issue. Damage is.
2) Has anyone tryed a passive tank on this yet?
The passive tank rocks. That is the reason I still love and want this ship fixed so badly.
It can tank beautifully, it just can't damage back much as you said.
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ForumQuestionAsker
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:46:00 -
[567]
Originally by: Ecce Drihten
Originally by: Double TaP
Especially when if you look at the last page, I quoted CCP HAMMER saying "were looking at the bonuses". The thread has served its purpose. They're working on it. The fix wont be for a couple months most likely, but they are doing something at least. Even if they dont totally fix it.
Have you read all the contradictory information on the assault missles coming out?
There has never to my knowledge been anything more than.... 'we are looking into them' 'they might be made' 'they would be cool and solve everything'.
We have no timeline, not even a soon(TM), no stats, no comment on how the boni will change (from heavy missle --> assualt missle related).
For those who trained for 1-3 months to use the NH, it really is sad.
His quote said they were looking at the bonuses specifically. Nothing to do with heavy rockets. I've been bumping this from the beginning, and I fly one right now, but trust me, continuing the thread for the time being will do nothing. Wait til its closer to kali, then we will hound again to make sure they 1) actually do something, and 2)do something that makes sense.
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.21 04:46:00 -
[568]
That was me ^^
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2006.07.24 23:57:00 -
[569]
Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 24/07/2006 23:57:46
Now After using the NH for some time I find it quite inadequate in the dmg department. I dont want it to be Astarte powerfull (I fly that too). But more dmg.
Perhaps swap target navigation prediction or precision bonus with 5% per lvl to kinetic missile dmg or, rate of fire bonus.
And yes Command ships should all get better targetting range. The fact that they are command ships means they are high echelon of ships flown by commanders and should have advanced targetting range.
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Oedus Caro
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Posted - 2006.07.25 00:30:00 -
[570]
Perhaps this has already been answered elsewhere in this thread, but to be perfectly honest, I can't afford to read through 19 pages in search of it. Is there any particular reason for the NH to have so much cargo space and so little grid, relative to all the other command ships?
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