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Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation 17	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:24:00 - [661] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Zwo Zateki wrote: Malcanis wrote: Zwo Zateki wrote: A very polite incursion community response: ** you CCP CSM response: Adapt. Response to CSM: Before you say "adapt" try running incursions at least once in a while. We couldn't care less about how nullsec FCs command their slaves just so that big bosses get cars, apartments and enterprises IRL via RMT. I don't think the Incursions community should be the first to cast stones when it comes to talking about RMT. I'd assumed that you would be capable of dealing with a very minor change like this. I see my faith in your intelligence and resilience was misplaced. And I think most posts I see here from CSM members are total B**, showing me how much the CSM cares about all the players instead of just the corner they came from. The percentage of incursion leaders doing rmt is probably not even existing while I'm sure some nullsec blockleaders get a few nice things from that. All the people here complaining about players in Highsec: Please show me where I signed a contract to move all and everything I have to nullsec. This is a fukin sandbox, there are people playing the game in other ways, you know? Adapt or die? Let's see what happens if CCP nerfs nullsec sites or whatever there. I wanna see the insults you all use against me when I start posting adapt or die then. Quit the double moral and start to understand that there are more people than you in that game. Back to topic: There is no reason for a flat cap of 50 (maybe the devs being lazy), why should I be able to assign 50 sentries OR 50 lights? compare the stats of those 2 droneballs and think again. Why not cap it JUST FOR SENTRIES? If sentries are the problem, then why the * are you changing it for ALL drones? Also a change to drone assist won't stop people from deploying as many drones as they can to get the servers smoking. Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Furthermore, incursiners, shut the **** up about the supposed "impactic" and trying to semantic nitpick rules-lawyer the OP into a contradiction. You have not been impacted, you've been mildly inconvenienced. Your actual ability to do incursions has not changed, especially given that your fleets are ridiculosly overequipped for the job. Sorry but not everybody likes flying around in trashcans.
Llyona sleep Deprivation INC. LLC Brothers of Tangra 43	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:31:00 - [662] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Adapt or die? Let's see what happens if CCP nerfs nullsec sites or whatever there. I wanna see the insults you all use against me when I start posting adapt or die then. Quit the double moral and start to understand that there are more people than you in that game. CCP did nerf nullsec just a week ago. They reduced all NPC bounties by 5%. The general response was receptive, with a few ragers here and there. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.
Atuesuel Mithril. 2	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:31:00 - [663] - Quote Is this because CFC had a cry about N3 being better at fleet concepts?. why don't you fix some thing a little more important in the game. STATION GAMES
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation 17	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:32:00 - [664] - Quote Llyona wrote: Kaphrah wrote: Adapt or die? Let's see what happens if CCP nerfs nullsec sites or whatever there. I wanna see the insults you all use against me when I start posting adapt or die then. Quit the double moral and start to understand that there are more people than you in that game. CCP did nerf nullsec just a week ago. They reduced all NPC bounties by 5%. The general response was receptive, with a few ragers here and there. It is nerfed as long as you don't use ESS's
Zeus Maximo Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 579	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:33:00 - [665] - Quote Only the goons would nerf their most effective ship. Brilliant. SlowCat wins this one again! jack1974 > can still call me zeus :) if you want Danalee > Jack is more humble :)
Capt Starfox Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 572	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:37:00 - [666] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: This is a fukin sandbox... Yep. Your welcome. Kaphrah wrote: Let's see what happens if CCP nerfs nullsec sites or whatever there. They did nerf nullsec, where the hell have you been? Kaphrah wrote: Back to topic: There is no reason for a flat cap of 50 (maybe the devs being lazy), why should I be able to assign 50 sentries OR 50 lights? compare the stats of those 2 droneballs and think again. Why not cap it JUST FOR SENTRIES? If sentries are the problem, then why the *** are you changing it for ALL drones? Also a change to drone assist won't stop people from deploying as many drones as they can to get the servers smoking. I'm not sure you've been paying attention, it's not just sentries. The only reason why sentries are talked about is because they are the end-game drone to get, so that's what everyone wants and goes for. If CCP implemented a cap on ONLY sentries, then another drone would take it's place, say a heavy attack drone, and then that would be the new sentry. And no, after this change people will not be using drones as much as they are now; things are changing, adapt or die. Personally with all the ISK you Incursion runners make it's not wonder why you're crying so much. I mean, you actually have to press buttons now!?!?!?!11! What!?!?!?111 This is going to get so hard for you guys. Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mariner6 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 191	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:38:00 - [667] - Quote This change seems reasonable. I do find it funny that no one ever complained about drone assist back when all drone boats sucked though, and just because it became a winning tactic with archons and domi's we now have to resort to this vice maybe addressing that more directly. I hope CCP stops here as losing this functionality will continue a trending toward a growing sense of vanilla to this game that I suppose is the negative side of balancing. I think that RR Vexor PvP groups are very fun and each player is still very busy flying the logi portion of their boat, even though their drones may be assigned. It would also be sad to see gangs like this become unmanageable should drone assist go away altogether or get further nerfed. 50 is fine, please hold there. At the end of the day, no matter what the big alliances are going to choose some BS to be their doctrine. So no matter what is done one ship will end up being king for the uber blob. Don't penalize the rest of us for that please.
Krimishkev Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet 121	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:42:00 - [668] - Quote People are just mad cause they die to wrecking ball fleets half the size of their own. Sorry but if you're gonna remove drone assist than you need to remove blobbing too. Toad.
Imouto Tan State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:43:00 - [669] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: [quote=James Amril-Kesh][quote=Swiftstrike1] Yeah CCP is right, totally passive gameplay if DPS shoots Battleships and stuff while Dronebunny kills frigates. Everybody should lock up frigates on his own and then send Drones on them as it would be way too easy to kill the Frigates with 1400's and Tachyons cause the players are so passive and there are no other Targets on grid anyway. [/SARCASM] Sorry but the change with a flat Number at 50 and the argument not to impact Incursion fleets in the same Post is kinda senseless. Change it like stated above, make a difference between light drones, sentries and other stuff like heavies. Or, you know, use 2-4 drone bunnies if you need 100-200 drones. The argument is that you're using light drones anyway; clearly alpha is not an issue so even individual locking is hardly the worse option, let alone having so few additional bunnies. It is simply absurd to say that you shouldn't be expected to have a couple more guys lock up extra targets occasionally.
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2385	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:45:00 - [670] - Quote CCP Rise, Since you've taken a break from destroying RLMLs to come and drop trou in the slowcat sandbox, you should make large scale drone assist even more difficult and unwieldy by creating a new active high slot module, the 'Drone Bandwidth Repeater' that is necessary for each ship that wishes to assist its drones out. One repeater per 5 drones assisted would be cool. If you wanted to double the fun, it could be fueled with drone poop and require a 40s reload after each cycle. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.

Unforgiven Storm Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 891	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:49:00 - [671] - Quote Good news. The bad news is that we are back to pressing F1. Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10153	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:49:00 - [672] - Quote Krimishkev wrote: People are just mad cause they die to wrecking ball fleets half the size of their own. Sorry but if you're gonna remove drone assist than you need to remove blobbing too. Toad. maybe you should keep up with the times and realize that we disemboweled your wrecking ball fleet and are now taking regions uncontested Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Linkxsc162534 Traps 'R' Us Bask of Fail 38	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:56:00 - [673] - Quote I must say that I'm rather enjoying the tears caused by this change even though I'm not part of any large nullsec powerbloc. So you need the have a few more people in your slowcat fleet actually pointing targets. If I had my way, you would all have to do it. Gunboat and missile fleets require work on the part of every fighting ship to take down enemies, not just having 100 people who happen to be there while 1 person basically fires all the guns. So you'll need to fragment control your fleets a bit more. Heck you might see quicker response times in redirecting fire as needed. All the people whining about how it'll become a cluster**** to manage drone fleets, yall need to HTFU.
Kiryen O'Bannon Thrall Nation Brave Collective 53	Posted - 2014.02.07 02:59:00 - [674] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: Kiryen O'Bannon wrote: Furthermore, incursiners, shut the **** up about the supposed "impactic" and trying to semantic nitpick rules-lawyer the OP into a contradiction. You have not been impacted, you've been mildly inconvenienced. Your actual ability to do incursions has not changed, especially given that your fleets are ridiculosly overequipped for the job. Sorry but not everybody likes flying around in trashcans. In other words, you admit this is, at most, a minor inconvenience. Concession accepted.
Dramaticus GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 449	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:06:00 - [675] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: This is a fukin sandbox. Yes. And you are trapped in it with us. The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1711	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:20:00 - [676] - Quote Atuesuel wrote: STATION GAMES thats easy make all station in low sec and 0.0 "kick out" There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1711	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:21:00 - [677] - Quote Andski wrote: Krimishkev wrote: People are just mad cause they die to wrecking ball fleets half the size of their own. Sorry but if you're gonna remove drone assist than you need to remove blobbing too. Toad. maybe you should keep up with the times and realize that we disemboweled your wrecking ball fleet and are now taking regions uncontested it was kinda a all or nothing fleet concept type of thing There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 2385	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:28:00 - [678] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: MASSIVE INCURSION TEARS THE LIKES OF WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE NOAH TOOK THE ARK FOR A THREE HOUR TOUR I see that you subscribe to the Dinsdale school of Incursion nerf conspiracy theory. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1711	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:31:00 - [679] - Quote i am starting to lean towards the scale for drone assist make make assist based on max mb since 1 sentry is 25mb so 25 X 50 = 1250mb so thats 50 heavy/sentry 125 medium 250 light ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Kaphrah Kaphrah Corporation 18	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:46:00 - [680] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: i am starting to lean towards the scale for drone assist make make assist based on max mb since 1 sentry is 25mb so 25 X 50 = 1250mb so thats 50 heavy/sentry 125 medium 250 light ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ This.

MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1712	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:50:00 - [681] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: MeBiatch wrote: i am starting to lean towards the scale for drone assist make make assist based on max mb since 1 sentry is 25mb so 25 X 50 = 1250mb so thats 50 heavy/sentry 125 medium 250 light ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ This. not empty quoting There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2325	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:51:00 - [682] - Quote Kaphrah wrote: And I think most posts I see here from CSM members are total B****** I would like to point out, Kaphrah, (and I discovered this thanks to Malcanis), that you can in fact use the word bullshit on the forums. Carry on. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Xython Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 1116	Posted - 2014.02.07 03:58:00 - [683] - Quote Krimishkev wrote: People are just mad cause they die to wrecking ball fleets half the size of their own. Sorry but if you're gonna remove drone assist than you need to remove blobbing too. Toad. Well, yeah, actually. The fact that Drone assist is completely unbalanced is kinda the point. Do try and keep up.
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1712	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:07:00 - [684] - Quote Xython wrote: Well, yeah, actually. The fact that Drone assist is completely unbalanced is kinda the point. Do try and keep up. yes and so is the blob. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10153	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:08:00 - [685] - Quote any "counter" to the blob will ultimately become the blob hope this helps Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
MeBiatch GRR GOONS 1712	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:21:00 - [686] - Quote Andski wrote: any "counter" to the blob will ultimately become the blob hope this helps not true. you just lack imagination There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2217	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:25:00 - [687] - Quote Andski wrote: any "counter" to the blob will ultimately become the blob hope this helps Obviously its time to cap standings lists and then cap alliance membership numbers and then just artificially cap things in the sand box until we get it in the position that we want it, we of course not being the players who are creating the content but the developers who have proven over the years that they absolutely do NOT know whats best as anybody at the company who's shown an iota of creativity or forward thinking has been shuffled off by Hiltermar or let slip away. I can surely support this point of view Andski, lets do it. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Infinity Ziona Drags are Bud 1612	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:25:00 - [688] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: Sounds good to me. The next best thing would be to completely design drones to function better in game and put less stress on the server. For example why have 5 drones that do 50 dps each instead of one that does 250 dps?! Because they're a split weapons system. If you homogenized the drone into one single unit it'd be op, imagine a drone that acts like a warrior 2 getting a wrecking hit on your inty. At the moment they do but not all at once. Then you'd need to kill all warrior II x 6 hp drone in a battle rather than popping one and reducing dps immediately etc etc Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2217	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:30:00 - [689] - Quote We should probably cap the number of jumps you can make, and the number of broadcasts you can receive, and we maybe should cap the number of systems you can own, and definitely cap the number of stations you can build, lookin at you over there CVA, your rampant industrialization hasn't gone unnoticed, somebody will have to grind those one day, you're obviously exploiting a whole in game play, CAP IT. If this all sounds absurd to you then I think you may be getting the point. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10153	Posted - 2014.02.07 04:32:00 - [690] - Quote it's hard to distinguish that from anything else you post because it's all absurd laffo Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á



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