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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5165
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3394
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lol, "blaming the victim", right out of the mouth of a White Knight himself. Delicious. I didnt blame you. You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them. Reread what I said :) I know its hard, and that you have an agenda here and its very very important to you though this is all just a game. But TRY to read accurately. Otherwise, you come off as an idiot :) But yes, if youve deliberately managed to **** someone off that is so mentally unstable as to actually find out where you live, then I think you done f****d up, and its your own fault. Not my problem. You did it yourself. Don't cry when the **** you've done suddenly turns up on your own doorstep to bite you back.
Now THIS is backpedaling. You lot could learn something from this. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17371
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:14:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.
Actually Malcanis makes a good point, as long as assets and ISK remain within the game, what happens outside of the game is not within their purview.
Quote:Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay. CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds. Emergent gameplay is by its very definition about pushing the boundaries, it's one of Eve's salient selling points. If CCP consider what Erotica does goes beyond what they consider to be acceptable they'll do something about it. Personally I find it distasteful, as such I take no part in Eroticas shenanigans.
Quote:Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous. As above, if CCP deem the activities of Erotica and others that facilitate similar activities as over the top, then they will do something about it.
Quote:CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.
Why? As it stands Erotica remains within the rules of the game, has broken no real world laws and sticks to scamming people out of their virtual assets and currency, which remain within the game, albeit using out of game mechanisms to do so.
Just because you find the activities of Erotica and the like morally reprehensible does not mean that they should be banned from Eve, especially as the game in its current form allows them to pursue those activities.
I don't like the extremes that the bonus room goes to, but I see no reason for people to be banned from a game for doing something I consider distasteful when the game in question encourages people to be ruthless bastards to get ahead, and places few limits on what is possible in the pursuit of doing so.
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Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:14:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Tyburn Stannis wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I've mentioned this before, but I was actually stalked at one point by someone I "griefed" in a videogame. They sent me a link with a picture of my front door on it.
How do you feel about that?
[retracted] Obvious troll is obvious. Too slow. You wrote: "I feel you didn't take enough care to separate your online and real identities, and that you underestimated the effects of your actions. And that your case is a perfect example of how many people don't understand the "paper trail" they leave online. " Unlike some, I have backed my opinions with my identity.
So has Ripard Teg. Does that make your opinions any more valid? Does that make Ripard's any more valid? The answer is 'no' to both questions.
However, this thread has begun the inevitable descent into personal attacks. As CCP Falcon warned, chances of a lock increasing... |
Erin Crawford
39
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:15:00 -
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Step 1: Block in game. Step 2: Block in forums. = problem solved.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
14321
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.
Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people.
That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned
After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?
1 Kings 12:11
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
452
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.
Nope.
Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?
Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.
Thats how the world works, deal with it. Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3394
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period. Nope. Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep? Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off. Thats how the world works, deal with it. Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.
Blaming the victim. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
452
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:19:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Blaming the victim.
You are blaming the victim in the recording.
Checkmate.
Your propaganda department really needs to fire the 3-4 of you. You aren't any good at this at all.
If the guy you where griefing deliberately found out where you live and comes after you, that is neither my problem, my responsibility, a result of anything I have done, or any of my ****s. Its your problem and one you have directly been involved in escalating due to your own choices. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3394
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:22:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Blaming the victim. You are blaming the victim in the recording. Checkmate. Your propaganda department really needs to fire the 3-4 of you. You aren't any good at this at all.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:it's you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off. That's how the world works, deal with it.
Is the same damned thing as:
"she shouldn't have been wearing clothes like that, she asked for it"
Way to take the moral superiority, bro. /golfclap Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5165
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:23:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period. Nope. Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep? Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off. Thats how the world works, deal with it. Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.
Translation: If you get sexually assaulted, perhaps consider not wearing mini-skirts from now on.
As with all of your type, you make no distinction between in game and out of game.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2425
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:25:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You are blaming the victim in the recording.
Check
Yeah as much a victim as a gambler getting greedy then trying to trash the casino because his greed go the better of him.
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:27:00 -
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On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.
On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.
Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate? |
Kinis Deren
House Of Serenity. Disband.
358
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:27:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period. Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people. That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?
I agree with Malcanis ... silly Jenn.
What's the difference between posting a soundcloud recording, obtained out of game, purely for the further humiliation of the victim versus (say)someone posting a link to an uploaded imgur picture of the outside of your house? It's only bits and bytes right? Into PVP & looking for small gang focused, NPC Null corp? Check out [url]http://forums.nyanpire.net/index.php[/url]!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3401
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:27:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You are blaming the victim in the recording.
Check
Yeah as much a victim as a gambler getting greedy then trying to trash the casino because his greed go the better of him. If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
Do I spy a Zapp Brannigan reference? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
455
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:27:00 -
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Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.
Sorry, you cant have it both ways.
Checkmate, again.
If someone shows up at your house as result of you deliberately humiliating and griefing them, thats your own fault. Dont come crying to me when I read about in the papers. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2425
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:28:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.
On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.
Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?
So shines a good deed in a weary world *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5170
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You are blaming the victim in the recording.
The grown man in the recording not only chose to play EVE online, he chose to go into a "bonus room" with a character named Erotica1 in a greedy attempt to make imaginary money. He got Bested, then lost his mind and revealed his true self by making out of game threats and being racist. The only person wrong in that situation was the person making the threats, not the person playing the game within the rules.
This is what google says about erotica1. https://www.google.com/#q=erotica1
Kaarous was playing a video game within it's rules and received real life threats. The only person wrong in that situation was the person making the threats, not the person playing the game within the rules.
It's really easy to understand for those of us with an actual moral center. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3401
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:29:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.
Sorry, you cant have it both ways.
Checkmate, again.
Pointing your wild hypocrisy is not having it both ways.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17373
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:29:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: As with all of your type, you make no distinction between in game and out of game.
I'm desperately trying to avoid this particular subject, it never ends well. I'm half expecting a warning from CCP for what happened the last time I called someone out on this.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2425
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:30:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.
Sorry, you cant have it both ways.
Checkmate, again.
Black and white are the same things apparently.
Erotica is evil and Salvos problem, but when someone gets stalked for a non specific reason and Salvos doesnt like them, its not his problem.
And apparently you can have two instances of Checkmate in one game. I need to tell Kasparov that.
Im glad I know such an EvE-Famous character that every action has a direct bearing on him. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1541
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:30:00 -
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Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2425
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:31:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.
This
+653 *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
5170
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:31:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.
The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period. Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people. That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude? I agree with Malcanis ... silly Jenn. What's the difference between posting a soundcloud recording, obtained out of game, purely for the further humiliation of the victim versus (say)someone posting a link to an uploaded imgur picture of the outside of your house? It's only bits and bytes right?
The 2 things are not the same and anyone with any sense knows that. The guy in the bonus room KNEW he was on comms (and thus could be recorded). Kaarous in no way consented to someone obtaining a picture of his house.
Some of you people really are...something else. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3401
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:32:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.
But, they were being mean in a videogame! Surely that excuses all of my bad behavior!? Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
455
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:34:00 -
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Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.
Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.
Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later". |
Neltharak Idrissil
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
8
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:36:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:
Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.
Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay. CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds. Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.
CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.
Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?
The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.
Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT
Read that last sentence again.
Again.
Last time.
If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?
Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?
Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.
After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.
If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.
If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.
Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".
As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3409
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:36:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.
Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.
Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".
"Not my problem if they go out dressed like that. I'll just read about it in the papers and think to myself, 'Well, they had it coming." Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2428
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:38:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.
Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.
Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".
No one said you were but you.
And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
207
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Posted - 2014.03.25 13:39:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"
Absolutely don't see any problem with this. Eve is not a democracy. Its ccp's game and last I checked the tos has been written broadly enough that ccp can get rid of you pretty much for any reason they feel is detrimental to the game. If some asshat has gone too far, its ccp's job to protect their intellectual property, and take whatever action they deem necessary.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
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