The stupidity of some people... I'ts almost enough to inspire sympathy...
Also, Erotica1 sounds bent.

You are just the gift that keeps on giving, aren't you, my little homophobic mispeller?

By bent, I obviously mean "crooked".

No such word as crooked.

And I find the assertation that you have friends to be highly dubious.

Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional.

If you think its the 20bucks he's freaking over, and not how he is being treated, it might be you who hopefully sees a mental health professional.

Just seize the accounts and ban him.

I mean honestly, I can appreciate some "for teh lols" as much as the next guy, but if you play that recording to any reasonably sensible people in a room, or for example outloud at the next Fanfest for the combined community represented there, I think the majority will most certainly agree that this is crossing the line too far.

Here is the recording linked in the blog:
https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar

And, now, having read the actual blog....
I'm quite convinced that Ripard is the intolerable sort that whines to the coach when he gets hazed by his team-members in the men's locker room.

Of course this is theoretical.
Because it would require Ripard actually setting foot in a men's locker room for something other than pilates or yoga.
You know, something that doesn't require stretchy see-through pants.

I have many friends :)
Would you like to be one?
Sorry, DENIED!

I have no interest in being the friend of anyone, much less someone who defends the terminally stupid and demands the intelligent should be made to suffer for it.

However, Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.

Just ban them. Nobody will miss them and the majority of the community will certainly agree with it.

If CCP don't do anything about this, then they are condoning this kind of behavior as being acceptable.

Chirba has spoken, and so thats the end of it.

Wonder what naive Sohkar will do when wallstreet bloodsuckers steal his retirement savings. Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional. Real life is far more ruthless and mean then eve online could ever be.

Look up the world slander.

Look up the world slander.

If you're truly concerned you should forward this matter to law enforcement and let professionals deal with it, not smear CCP with it.

You need to look up the word "slander"
Slander is spoken, libel is written.

or thinking you are supporting.

Here is Jesters latest Blog

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/the-bonus-round.html

As you can probably tell it is to do with Erotica 1's bonus round.

It is a very damning blog.

I can only surmise that Jester has brought the subject up with CCP and was not happy with there response which thus led him to create this blog. (Many apologise if I am wrong)

I would be very interested to hear what the community at large thinks and perhaps for Erotica and friends to refute the claims being made that they actually enjoy the pain and humiliation that they cause, especially to the man in the recording linked in Jesters Blog.

This.

I came back this morning from a recruitment agency where a disabled woman was having an advisor shout at her and threaten to cut all her disability money, leaving her in tears. We were all in an open plan office so this was seen by everyone there. Due to a government policy which is quite popular and supported by many people.

Then directly after I log in here this is the first thing I read, and see the words victim used with someone losing make believe **** in a game, and huge moral outrage from all comers about it.

I don't know. Maybe this is the world now. People are concerned over virtual things more than real things. Is this the ass backwards world we live in now? Apparently it is.

Just ban Erotica1. The community does not need poisonous twats like that - and I for one am happy for the sandbox and 'emergent gameplay' to take second seat to cleaning the community of such filth.

Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?

And this is exactly this kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c

And this is exactly this kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?

People talk about gays in very similar terms to the ones you have used in your post.

Come to that, so have insane monogonadal austrian dictators.

CCP might just want to stop gross behaviours associated with their game. They have no responsiblity to maybe, and certainly no legal obligation but maybe they should do something anyway in this instance.

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

Listen, Sohkar is my Alliance.

He got what he deserved.

If I wasnt being restrained he'd have got more.

End of.

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

See, when I read the title, I thought it had to do with him jumping off the deep end, and telling us all that EVE is dying because of Dungeons and Dragons.

Now to read this newest offering.

Sure, and for many years that was considered an acceptable way to treat/speak about homosexuals. That is thankfully changing.

But dont try and compare this to homophobia, or german dictators for god's sake! Discriminating and vilifying minority groups is not the same as disliking and calling for action against a bullying sociopath...

Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?

Hands up everyone who can see a problem

... tentatively puts hand up ...

but I still want Erotica to stop, or for the rules to be changed to make that kind of behaviour against the rules.

Can you give me a reliable method of distinguishing them that doesn't boil down to "stuff that you personally dislike"?

I find brussels sprouts disgusting; just the thought of them makes me heave a little. Can I petition to get someone banned because they post recipes for them in local?

If not, then you're saying that only the things you find disgusting are a problem. Things I find disgusting and things evengelical christians find disgusting are just fine, however. Am I right?

Far simpler for CCP to not try and be 400,000 people's mom and stay the hell out of our out of game activities, don't you think?

Malcanis, for someone who is on the CSM you seem to be seriously missing the big picture here. Even if your supposition is true that since this happened outside of Eve itself, and therefore isn't CCP's responsibility, it was instigated in-game and it involved in-game assets. However, the big picture here is not just the reality of the situation, but rather the perception of the reality. Eve is already considered by many prospective players as being a harsh and unforgiving environment; great for all the budding pirates who think they're ruthless and feared, not so great for bringing in new players (oh yeah, and bringing in subscribers to pay for things like development). If this news breaks it's way into wider social media, possibly going viral (which is entirely possible), then Eve suddenly appears to be an incredibly toxic environment. CCP would then be forced to defend themselves, not just to us, but to the world at large. Let's face it, CCP is a business. Bad media coverage and a toxic reputation is bad for business. This means they'll have no choice but to intervene in-game if they want their business to survive. This means much more stringent and harsh restrictions being put on what people in the sandbox can do, whether you like it or not. CCP not addressing this issue is bad for business.

If that's what you got from his posts you should train up reading comprehension a bit more

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

So you'd be in favour of CCP banning people who start homosexual relationships after meeting through EVE if it looked like religious groups or the Russian government started making a fuss about it?

I can give you what you deserve.
Do you want it?

Missing. The. Point. Entirely.

That, or some of us need to read between the lines. Either one works.

Because if you somehow think that an enormously overblown reaction to a teenage suicide in the 70s actually had anything to do with TSR's financial woes of the time, (instead of, you know, putting out a large number of poor selling products like Terrible Swift Sword, which took 3 hours to assemble, and 5 to play) then I have a bridge to sell you.

Your knowledge of early fantasy roleplaying and caustic wit are doing funny things to me

+12

Love to have you.

That, or some of us need to read between the lines. Either one works.

Because if you somehow think that an enormously overblown reaction to a teenage suicide in the 70s actually had anything to do with TSR's financial woes of the time, (instead of, you know, putting out a large number of poor selling products like Terrible Swift Sword, which took 3 hours to assemble, and 5 to play) then I have a bridge to sell you.

Missing. The. Point. Entirely.

Out of game. Just as the recording was :)

You are, actually.

The point he's making is that the slippery slope of arbitrary bannings for something "distasteful" is FAR worse than the supposed slippery slope of "cyber bullying" that Ripard Teg is trying to make the case for.

You... want me to HAVE you out of game?

Didn't think you'd be into that sort of thing.

You... want me to HAVE you out of game?

Didn't think you'd be into that sort of thing.

What you call distasteful, I call morally reprehensible; but "tomahto-tomayto". Nevertheless, my point, if anyone bothered to read it, is that bad press leads to declining business leading to CCP losing money leading to Eve eventually going the way of so many other MMO's = no sandbox for Erotica1 and his ilk to indulge their "appetites" (oh and the rest of us losing out along the way too).

What you call distasteful, I call morally reprehensible; but "tomahto-tomayto". Nevertheless, my point, if anyone bothered to read it, is that bad press leads to declining business leading to CCP losing money leading to Eve eventually going the way of so many other MMO's = no sandbox for Erotica1 and his ilk to indulge their "appetites" (oh and the rest of us losing out along the way too).

So, I just went and listened to the whole thing. I admit, I LoL'd, and without guilt after the 'victim' demonstrated that he is racist. I didn't hear one person say "I am under 18".

I did hear a guy say he was married (suggesting he was grown) between threatening people, slamming keyboards around and other crazy crap.

As a black man (don't let the white girl avatar fool you lol), I'm more offended by the 'victims' racial abuse (brought on when someone else identified himself as Afro-Canadian) than I am anything Erotica did. It is the 'victim' who should be banned on that basis alone if anyone is.

I guess all these people who think in game scamming is bad think in game racism is ok.....

Although , again, though I was appalled by the victims racism, I did lol again when he told the one guy to shut up and let him speak to his 'Masta'.....

Actually the gay thing is particularly dangerous because there are lots of people who find homosexuality disgusting and offensive, but also plenty who find homophobia the same. We could get everybody banned just by asking them if they hate gays or not.

my 23 yr old son asked me why i did'nt join a corp and i play alone , i made him read every post in this thread . he thinks most of you are freaking idiots and now he understands why i play this game alone. i'm nearly 50 and some of you are the worst gamers i've ever come across in 30 years of gaming , if it wasn't for the fact nearly everyone has mutipile accounts i doubt this game would have lasted this long .

my 2 cents worth

Failing that, play this recording out loud at the next FanFest and see what the assembled community actually thinks of this.

And this is exactly this kind of replies that doesn't push the world and community towards a better place.

But hey it's easier being a douche than being nice to people...

/c

What you call distasteful, I call morally reprehensible; but "tomahto-tomayto". Nevertheless, my point, if anyone bothered to read it, is that bad press leads to declining business leading to CCP losing money leading to Eve eventually going the way of so many other MMO's = no sandbox for Erotica1 and his ilk to indulge their "appetites" (oh and the rest of us losing out along the way too).

That could be seen as incitment to riot.

That could be seen as incitment to riot laugh yer ass off.

Malcanis is right I think, although his way of arguing is very confontational and adversarial

Why on earth would it be that?

Because people will be so disgusted by it that they leave the event?

Yes, I agree.

"Gays are gross. I demand people ban any player who admits to being gay. The community should cleaned of such filth" On what basis do CCP resist that demand?

Once being merely distasteful is suffficient reason to ban someone, then pretty quickly the only people left are the ones who haven't done anything to even briefly offend anyone.

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"

Malcanis is right I think, although his way of arguing is very confontational and adversarial

CCP shouldn't just ban Erotica. MAYBE they should carefully assess how much they want that kind of behaviour associated with thier game (and it is associated, abviously, despite the offending behaviour occurring out of game). And then MAYBE they should change the rules to make identifying victims for this kind of behaviour ingame and then using ingame activities (scamming and contracting their stuff) as part of the tormenting behaviour against the rules.

This is just an idea - it would probably be very hard to draft properly into the TOS and it may be deemed too subjective. But rules can be changed. Those of us that come from common law jurisdictions know that the laws constantly change to reflect society's expectations and changing views on things - homosexuality was once against the law in the UK - now its not... it is currently legal to use certain tax loopholes involving the channel islands and trusts... the UK government is changing the law becuase they dont like it...

Its currently arguably within the rules but maybe it shouldnt be...

Perhaps one day I will open a newspaper and read an article about how a disgruntled player hunts down and murders a player infamously known for griefing.

When I see calls for "mob justice" based on emotional reactions, I tend to confront them as an adversary, yes.

Sorry I'm not quite as smooth as Atticus Finch

Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.

Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay.
CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.
Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.

CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.

I've mentioned this before, but I was actually stalked at one point by someone I "griefed" in a videogame. They sent me a link with a picture of my front door on it.

How do you feel about that?

Perhaps one day I will open a newspaper and read an article about how a disgruntled player hunts down and murders a player infamously known for griefing. Or, hopefully not, an article about how a disgruntled player upset by how he/she perceives the community/company to have treated him at large, and go AWOL at a Fanfest.

These are potential risks you know. Should be careful how far you push people and what you allow.

We already had the suicidal guy in the Mittani incident.
Not like this kind of thing is not without precedent.

I think you should be very careful how you choose to treat people.

The funny thing is that it probably burns you to know that this doesn't happen.

I think you should be very careful how you choose to treat people.

I think you should be very careful how you choose to treat people.

I guess in /c's world, douchbag-ism is only reserved for people who 'aren't like him'.

I've dealt with people like Erotica and friends my whole life, you laugh at them and walk away. Completely going apeshit like that is unnatural and extremely dangerous, yes the man needs help and hopefully gets some.

Lol, "blaming the victim", right out of the mouth of a White Knight himself. Delicious.

I've mentioned this before, but I was actually stalked at one point by someone I "griefed" in a videogame. They sent me a link with a picture of my front door on it.

How do you feel about that?

[retracted] Obvious troll is obvious.

Too slow. You wrote: "I feel you didn't take enough care to separate your online and real identities, and that you underestimated the effects of your actions. And that your case is a perfect example of how many people don't understand the "paper trail" they leave online. "

I'll ask again. How could CCP resist religious groups or the Russian government if they demanded that CCP remove people who engage in "unacceptable" behaviour that "bring the game into disrepute"?

After all, "it's simply a case of morals", right?


As soon as CCP have conceded the right of any group to demand the removal of a player simply because they dislike what he does out of game, then they're wide open to every pressure group out there who thinks they have a duty to make sure you and I live our lives as they think we should.

You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.

I didnt blame you.

You asked how I felt about it. I felt that if someone is taking photos of your home, you should probably be very careful how you treat them.

Reread what I said :)

I know its hard, and that you have an agenda here and its very very important to you though this is all just a game.
But TRY to read accurately. Otherwise, you come off as an idiot :)

But yes, if youve deliberately managed to **** someone off that is so mentally unstable as to actually find out where you live, then I think you done f****d up, and its your own fault.

Not my problem. You did it yourself. Don't cry when the **** you've done suddenly turns up on your own doorstep to bite you back.

Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.

Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay. CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.

Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.

CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.

Unlike some, I have backed my opinions with my identity.

The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.

The above highlighted sentence is many times more morally reprehensible than anything any in-game scammer has ever done. There is never any justification for out of game threats, period.

Nope.

Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?

Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.

Thats how the world works, deal with it.
Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.

Blaming the victim.

You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Checkmate.

Your propaganda department really needs to fire the 3-4 of you.
You aren't any good at this at all.

it's you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off. That's how the world works, deal with it.

Nope.

Why should I care if someone YOU have pissed off and driven over the edge shows up at your doorstep?

Its not my problem. I didn't **** them off. Its not my doorstep they are at, and its you who are responsible for your own actions in pissing them off.

Thats how the world works, deal with it.
Dont come crying to me when your someone actually comes after you for conduct you yourself are responsible for in the first place.

You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Check

Silly Jenn. It's prefectly OK to break the rules, and even the law, if it's done against bad people.

That's why we should go along with the mob and support erotica1 being banned

After all, what possible bad consequence could possibly result in fostering this attitude?

Yeah as much a victim as a gambler getting greedy then trying to trash the casino because his greed go the better of him.

If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

On one side we have those who want Erotica1 and his cronies buried in a digital shallow grave.

On the other side, we have those wishing to hoist Erotic1 up on their shoulders as a hero to freedom.

Perhaps, just perhaps, there's a middle ground? Where we can discuss the underlying issue, rather than this single incident? We're all adults, and dealing with the issue of 'potential' cyber bullying is very much an adult issue. So how about we all get off our respective soapboxes, myself included, and start discussing, as adults, this issue and the ramifications that any potential decisions and actions taken regarding the "emergent gameplay" vs "cyber-bullying" debate?

You are blaming the victim in the recording.

Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.

Sorry, you cant have it both ways.

Checkmate, again.

As with all of your type, you make no distinction between in game and out of game.

Same thing as you blaming the victim in the recordings.

Sorry, you cant have it both ways.

Checkmate, again.

Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.

I agree with Malcanis ... silly Jenn.

What's the difference between posting a soundcloud recording, obtained out of game, purely for the further humiliation of the victim versus (say)someone posting a link to an uploaded imgur picture of the outside of your house? It's only bits and bytes right?

Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.

Your counter arguments are empty of content and pathetic at best.

Your point out Erotica broke no rules or laws, your quite correct. What he has done can be likened to bringing the game into disrepute by going above and beyond to push the boundaries of whats acceptable in the name of emergent gameplay.
CCP should consider very carefully if this is the type of behavior they want associated with their game as it's treading very dangerous grounds.
Ignoring all that, it's simply a case of morals, ( ironic in a game such as EVE i know ) yes its a game, yes he was a willing participant but that still doesnt excuse what's happened and has happened many times previous.

CCP should remove ALL his assets over ALL his accounts and give him a temp ban. Thats the right course of action in this case, but of course thats not what your interested in is it.

Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".

Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".

Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"

Not my problem or fault if you poke, prod, humiliate and grief people who might turn out to be mentally unstable individuals who suddenly might show up IRL in your face, doorstep or an event you are attending.

Im not responsible for your actions, or theirs.

Ill just read about it in the papers and think to myself "Well, they had it coming. Bound to happen sooner or later".

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

And revelling in others misfortune, thats pretty hypocritical right there.

Oh. You mean like Erotica1 revelling in the misfortune of his victims?

Hows that for hypocrisy now?

Im losing count of checkmates here :D

Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?

The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

Read that last sentence again.

Again.

Last time.

If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?

Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?

Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.

After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.

If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.

If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.

Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".

As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent.

[quote=Malcanis]


I recall CCP found their morals pretty easily when Mittens stepped out of line at Fan fest.
Did he break any laws? No.
Did he break any in game rules? No.

Was what he did morally reprehensible on every level? Yes

This scenario with Erotica, while different in it's approach, boils down to the same basic elements and should be taken seriously by CCP.

Oh. You mean like Erotica1 revelling in the misfortune of his victims?

Hows that for hypocrisy now?

Sure the victim was complicit in his own troubles, but that change whether Erotica 1 is an asshat. Eve isnt a democracy. The sole issue here is whether CCP should look at what erotica 1 has done and decide if it is good for the game and the community. I have no trouble with that at all.

Calling for people to kill themselves IS breaking a law. So yes, yes he did and paid for it.

I like reading his blogs. That aside, in any other game people doing this type of behaviour would have been banned long ago. I would like to see CCP stand up and say 'there is a line of decency even in a harsh mmo, cross it and be banned'.

Actually I was calling you out for being derogatory towards Ripard - which has absolutely nothing to do with "nothing like me" part. It's the example of why you did not criticize the post rather than saying there's something wrong with a guy doing yoga or pilates - because those have lots to do with the discussion at hand right?

/c

In what country is calling for people to kill themselves against the law? Please link.

So, you literally just set yourself on moral equivalency with someone you are suggesting be perma-banned?

Checkmate, indeed.

It's interesting to see how Erotica's behavior is basically a carbon copy of school bully behavior. The bonus room is nothing more than a bully grabbing a kids bag (or coaxing them to hand it over under friendly pretense) and then making the kid do all kinds of humiliating things in order to get it back. And as with all bullies, this sort of behavior is magnified when the bully has friends who cheer him on (otherwise too scared to intervene in fear of becoming the group's next victim or being thrown out of the group).

Now any school bully would, at some point, be forced to stop. Being it a teacher who intervenes, other kids stepping up or the victim themselves punching them in the gut when pushed too far. But this is the internet. And if there's one place where being a bully is easy, it's the internet. No-one to intervene and the victim in this case is powerless to get back at you. No risk of being punched in the gut in these parts! Would that ability exist, Erotica would have had his ass kicked a long damn time ago and quit his bullying.

The only satisfactory thing we can probably take from this is that Erotica, in real life, is probably on the ass end of this scenario. Being the victim of real life school bullying himself in some degree. I assume he's still in school because I hope no adult person with actual responsibilities in real life does this (or any) amount of online bullying and gets enjoyment out of it.

All in all nothing about this shocks me.

1. Regular people tend to turn into massive sadistic trolls and ***holes on the internet because there is no risk of someone punching you in the face, ever. Not shocking.
2. EVE Roleplaying and 'he should have known better' being used as an excuse too justify bullying behavior within the game. Not shocking.
3. Naive victims in EVE Online who get scammed. Not shocking.
4. Those same victims losing all their stuff and either being humiliated or insulted afterwards. Not shocking.

I can understand how easily one gets dragged into a bullying mode though, especially with friends around things tend to go too far too fast. But where normal people look back a few hours later and go 'oh, sh*t, that really went too far...', there are sadistic children like Erotica who happily do it over and over without a sign of guilt or remorse.

Should the guy be banned for the scam? No. Scamming is part of EVE and he actually does a good job at running it from what I can tell.
Should the guy be banned for being an online bully? No, absolutely not. But CCP should make it clear that online bullying like this is unacceptable, period. There is a very distinct line between interacting with an in-game character and bullying a human being. And I would have no problem with CCP enforcing that line.

Anyway, should Erotica1 ever show his face at Fanfest or the CSM and someone decides to roundhouse kick him to the floor... well... I just hope he won't act surprised over it.

Sure the victim was complicit in his own troubles, but that doesnt change whether Erotica 1 is an asshat. Eve isnt a democracy. The sole issue here is whether CCP should look at what erotica 1 has done and decide if it is good for the game and the community. I have no trouble with that at all.

Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?

The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

Read that last sentence again.

Again.

Last time.

If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?

Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?

Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.

After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.

If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.

If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.

Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".

As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent.

Case in point.

It's interesting to see how Erotica's behavior is basically a carbon copy of school bully behavior. The bonus room is nothing more than a bully grabbing a kids bag (or coaxing them to hand it over under friendly pretense) and then making the kid do all kinds of humiliating things in order to get it back.

In what country is calling for people to kill themselves against the law? Please link.

Nope.

Because I have not conducted myself in any fashion that would warrant a ban, or even consideration of one :)

Erotica1 has. Repeatedly and with extremely compelling evidence in heaps.

Go ahead. Play this recording over loudspeakers at the next Fanfest, maybe even at the unveiling of the Monument.
I double dare you. Certainly the recording is a shining example of EVEs community and would do great honor and justice to that event, dont you think?

1. I find Erotica behavior despicable. My line is when you get nothing in game for your effort but still continue to goad/insult person out of game just to get reaction out of them. Thats why Im reasonably ok (dont want to really play with them, but dont mind them being in game) with people that scam people out of their ingame assets, but discussed kind of behavior is unacceptable for me.
2. IMO if CCP wanted to act point one of TOS gives them all justification theyd need: "You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or (...)" (abuse: to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way)
3. to avoid slippery slope you can just define this as "abusing people out of game originating in game for no in game purpose".

Emphasis mine.

So how about those death threats and racist slurs, then?

Then ban both. Erotica for longer, since the other has extenuating circumstances (he was actively provoked to do what he did). Somehow I doubt it actually matters if you ban the victim - somehow I dont see him coming back into game after this.

And this...isnt what Erotica1 did?

When the consequences cross over into real life, that what most people consider a boundary being crossed.

As you wish.

French Code Penal article 223-13. Google it, linking doesnt work for some reason.
Roughly translated

"The fact of incitating suicide from a person is punished by three years of imprisonment and a 45000 euros fine when the provocation has been followed by suicide or a suicide attept."

Or is the freaking government site wrong somehow ? Similar laws exist in quite a bit of countries. So yes, i stand by it. This has the potential of being a very serious legal offense.

Send this and other recordings to Wired, PCGamer and other gaming/virtual related sites and publications
They'll have a field day printing bad press all over this.

Thanks for admitting his guilt :)

CHECKMATE, again.

My god, you are TERRIBLE at this.

Simply amazing that people can ignore or excuse the ugly racism and death threats because $20 in space pixels was lost in a gamble.