I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?

I agree with you.

But, if something was to happen. If this was a legitimately unstable person that was a victim and missed a dose of their medication. The mass media, especially American Media, would spin it in whatever way would get them the highest ratings.

Tell me, what would get higher ratings?

Someone who forgot to take his pills and went on a rampage.
Or
Someone who got publicly humiliated on a videogame, then went on a rampage.

If you feel that you can do better, run for CSM.

Malcanis IMHO has done a good job, and many people voted for him based not only on his platform, but also for his habit of being bluntly honest, and not mincing words on idiots.

What real life punishments did they suggest? I see in game punishments but nothing more in this post? ( unless they ninja edited )

I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?

I wish to voice my support for Erotica1's right to do what he does, regardless of how people 'feel' about how he does it.

Consider. Free speech laws (in countries that have them) were created not to protect polite or correct speech, but to protect all speech, including impolite and even vile speech...

Erotica1's right to scam and mess with people should not be infringed, for doing so by introducing rules would be comparible to removal of freedom of speech laws.

In short, in the same way we may denounce what vile, stupid or intolerant things are said under free speech laws -- no one should ever remotely consider removing (or even limiting) said free speech rights.

That is the slippery slope many have been going down in this thread, with claims Erotica1 'crossed a line' and 'rules should be put in place'.

Tyranny's are created from such do-gooder notions.

Denounce what Erotica1 does, but do not denounce his right to do it, and continue to do it.

Jester is wrong on this one, a person is either free or not free; EvE is either sandbox or not, there is no good mix between food and poison, you just get poisoned food.

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Its like swatting aside a whining mosquito.

Is it CCP's responsibility to police out of game interaction between their players where no law has been broken?

If so, where does that responsibility end? Should they ban a player when his wife complains about him playing EVE instead of doing the chores?

If I hook up with another EVE player who happens to be from say Japan, should CCP have the right and duty to ban me if the GM involved disapproves of inter-racial relationships? What about homosexual relationships?

What if I encourage another player to log in to fleet and miss church on sunday?

Where exactly does CCP's "responsibility" end?

Masochism is enjoying suffering inflicted upon oneself.
Sadism is the term you where looking for, which does not apply anyways, because I do not enjoy the suffering inflicted, only the fulfillment and vindication of justice from the abused to the abuser.


I have not said that. I am not saying that.



Coming from a self-professed autist, that means very little.

Not to mention you have no business telling people to stay away from children or babies, but I don't expect an autist to have the necessary social and empathic capacity to recognise that.

Glass house, pot and kettle, all that. I would not bring your mental condition up otherwise, but your direct inference that I should for some reason not be allowed near children based on anything I have said here is incredibly offensive, and I attribute it to your lack of understanding of normal social graces, owing to your condition.

What real life punishments did they suggest? I see in game punishments but nothing more in this post? ( unless they ninja edited )

I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?

I have to interject here. The action in question was not carried out in a virtual world.

The exchange took place between two players rather than the characters in a 3rd party application no less and it was done after E1 had convinced the other party to relinquish all of his stuffs so no further in-game benefit was possible either, yet it kept going for 2+ hours.

I'm wondering what all these defenders of Erotica would say should the victim in question take it to the extreme and harm himself or family in any way. It's still just a game right?

I can't believe how many people in this community think that they are the righteous crusaders of Darwin's will.
How on earth can you arrogate yourself to decide who should be on "your" internet and who not?

And what if they did it if the only thing I did was gank them? Should I feel somehow responsible for it then too?

Or if I kick them from my corp?

Or if I maroon them in a WormHole in their pod and close the exit?

Or I destroy their alliance and steal all the things?

Should I feel responsible for what they do then?

I can't believe how many people in this community think that they are the righteous crusaders of Darwin's will.
How on earth can you arrogate yourself to decide who should be on "your" internet and who not?

Statements like "the invisible fist of darwin" or "he's so stupid, he deserved it" just disgust me.

Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

Um Ill be honest here, pretty sure its against the law in the UK. (Suicide Act 1961)

And what if they did it if the only thing I did was gank them? Should I feel somehow responsible for it then too?

Or if I kick them from my corp?

Or if I maroon them in a WormHole in their pod and close the exit?

Or I destroy their alliance and steal all the things?

Should I feel responsible for what they do then?

Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

That's a horrible comparison.

One is just playing the game and its mechanics. The other is emotionally grinding a person down with absolutely no in-game benefit. Humiliating and insulting a person for the sheer reason of 'lolz'.

Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already?

I'm not an erotia supporter per se, but I'll take a shot. I'd say "Wow, I feel bad for that person's family. It's sad they couldn't get him the mental health care he so obviously needed."


...Just like in every other incident I see, where video games and a mental disorder collide to tragic results.

I have listened to some of the sound recording and read the articles & comments on Jestertrek and the Minerbumping site. I don't know if the Mittani's site will cover this story. His site is one of the most intelligent but he probably won't touch it given he was involved in a similar event. I haven't found Malcanis replies on this OP but he usually says peculiar things.

I personally think it's alright to do bumping and suicide ganking in-game in that it's usually a roleplay activity or involves actions to disrupt other business or protect your own business interests. Scamming is a bit dodgy but it is usually fairly obvious what is trying to be done. Pilots names, huge bounties on their heads or continual spamming of ridiculous offers gives away what they are about and trying to do. As regards UI loopholes such as open trade where people can change what is being offered mid-exchange to steal the other guys stuff should be stopped by CCP along with any other market discrepancies but that's just my opinion. I don't think new players falling foul of UI loopholes reflects well on CCP or any of us. It crosses a line in the sand.

On the other hand I don't think people such as Erotica should be using TS or other voice software to scam people. If you throw the 'I will double your ISK' comments out in in-game chat channels and people bite then they deserve all they get. All except new players will know this is a scam and new players will probably only get caught once and not with that much ISK lost. But if you invite people into a TS channel and scam them for everything they have that is not on and Erotica and her cohorts should have the sense to realise that. It is one step away from telephone 'cold-callers' or door to door salesmen scamming old age pensioners out of their RL savings.

I think anyone should be able to deduce from the victims voice on the sound recording, even though he has an American accent, that he is a vulnerable person. I get the feeling he was not greedy and genuinely thought he was going to gain ISK I'm not sure why but I get that feeling. It is morally bankrupt to treat someone like that even though it probably would be difficult to argue in a court of law that a crime had been committed. It is even more ugly to take the **** out of someone who has a handicap or disability such as a speech impediment. Once Erotica got to this point she had in my view crossed the line beyond which CCP should take action on Erotica's account.

I think CCP should therefore return any transferred assets from Erotica to the victim and take some kind of action against Erotica and maybe against the other offenders in TS channel. Suspensions for the other offenders and maybe removal of Erotica and all her in-game assets

Yeah, no.

None of your examples come even close to what Erotica goes out of his way to do, try again.