Im applauding all the people who are trying to combat the ignorance in this thread with common sense, unfortunately, most of your common sense is falling on deaf ears. The sheeple who read and take these blogs as pure fact (internetz don't lie!) will never be swayed by your logical and well thought out arguments against the absolute facts they just now found out about and therefore are experts in.

He has no legal recourse for return of his items. He gave those away legitimately ingame.

What happened outside of the game, however, was a result of the people holding those ingame assets using them to coerce him into a 2hr protracted event of blackmail/extortion to perform demeaning acts for return of those ingame assets.

That happened outside of the game, and all normal laws apply to that.

"Either you come come to this out of game context, or your ingame assets are lost to you".
This constitutes coercion, by means of duress.

Duress is represented in this case by Erotica1 holding the players ingame assets against him as ransom, as a means of blackmail/extortion to coerce the player into the out of game context.

Erotica1 already holds the players assets at this point (legitimately).
But the victim is obviously scared shitless at this point that he will not get his ingame assets back.
He is forced, by the coercion applying duress, to follow into that out of game context.

Erotica1 applies duress (by means of ransoming the players ingame assets against his out of game compliance) to force/coerce that player into an out of game context where the rest of the blackmail/extortion can occur.

Its like me holding something of yours, and saying you will only get it back if you follow me into this dark alley.

CCP can do nothing legally for any personal conversations that happen outside of the game. Get real.

Right so next your gonna have to extradite people from the various countries that they are in to appear in a court case over some teamspeak nonsense. Yea good luck with canada sending anyone down the the states for that. Your a moron.

You also do not own any assets IRL. Your government can take them away and kill you if you try to stop them.

When brought to their attention CCP can and will inform the police of potential situations. There has been a recent case of someone woken up in the middle of the night by police due to suicide claims related to EVE.

If the action was illegal then Sohkar could inform the police. If the action was against civil law then Sohkar could contact his lawyer and seek monetary damages. I doubt that either of these things are going to happen, but they could, and the nature of the situation may lead Sohkar to win.

CCP's only options are to ban or penalize Erotica1. The EULA is broad and vague so that CCP has power in this sort of situation.

When brought to their attention CCP can and will inform the police of potential situations. There has been a recent case of someone woken up in the middle of the night by police due to suicide claims related to EVE.

If the action was illegal then Sohkar could inform the police. If the action was against civil law then Sohkar could contact his lawyer and seek monetary damages. I doubt that either of these things are going to happen, but they could, and the nature of the situation may lead Sohkar to win.

CCP's only options are to ban or penalize Erotica1. The EULA is broad and vague so that CCP has power in this sort of situation.

it is not a crime to agree to sing a song, and I have little doubt that the contestant was motivated by greed, not fear (not going to listen because there is only so much stupid I can take).

Player burnout metagame wars tend to disagree about the psychological pressure bit. And yes everyone is involved in a war of this type even if not knowingly.

And were the assets relinquished to Erotica1 under duress as well?

He has no legal recourse for return of his items. He gave those away legitimately ingame.

What happened outside of the game, however, was a result of the people holding those ingame assets using them to coerce him into a 2hr protracted event of blackmail/extortion to perform demeaning acts for return of those ingame assets.

That happened outside of the game, and all normal laws apply to that.

The best part of all of this is if not for all of the white knighters this event would have gone totally unnoticed. As it is a lot more people have now heard this recording.

Well done defenders of the weak.

Tell me exactly why this is illegal? If I walk up to some random dude on the street and ask them to sing me some songs, is that illegal? No, and if the dude thinks Im bothering him, he can ignore me, walk away, or he can do what this guy on this recording did, and throw a tantrum, right there on the street.

Any normal person wouldnt do that, I mean, I dont think so.
And if that had been recorded, it wouldnt, atleast not where I live, have been an illegal recording, as it was recorded in a public space.
Its not quite the same, but there is really nothing wrong (other than maybe personal moral issues, or whatever else) with what Erotica 1 is doing. Not unless CCP change their rules on scamming.

No, they where not.

Everything that happened actually ingame, is legit and fine.

Not only is it a sad reflection on the Game, it's a sad reflection on a society that people like Erotica get their kicks in this way.

Personally I don't feel comfortable supporting any entity that allows that which Erotica did to happen.

Troll all you want but I'm not sure I'll continue my subscription if there isn't a strong signal from CCP.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.

I love how all the Americans are quoting bla bla lawyer talk when they forget eve is a multinational game. Who cares? The victim got trolled hard and they responded with death threats and vulgar racial slurs. Quite literally Erotica has more legal precedent to take Sokhar to court and or file a restraining order. Cause guess what? It's all on tape.

Again, the same as a con. Doesn't make it not a con. This is not a complicated idea to grasp friend.


Maybe you need less indicating and following, and better reading comprehension. When you start to imagine things never said, you're losing the plot.


"I will assert nonsense and shift the burden on to you."

Ok.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Yes what he does can be considered distasteful, I'm on record as saying that I also find them distasteful, but they are not equivalent to real world crimes.

What's sadder is all of the people focusing only on what Erotica did, and completely ignoring the real life threats and racism of the so called "victim". Even worse are the people who are equating Eroticas actions with violent sexual assault and real world crimes.

Im on a PC and my house is built on a mix of igneous rock and a flatland of temperate inland silt from a shallow loch.

Does that help?

Sadly, I have to agree that no terms of the game were violated. Erotica talked the person out of the game and into another environment where the humiliation took place. I would not expect CCP to become involved. On the other hand, there is something seriously wrong with Erotica and her friends.