There is more to it than that.

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Considering in game isk can be turned into plex\Aur etc which is worth RL cash and using plex u may "pay" sub and considering there is some RL cash value to isk in EVE you point is invalid.

Well, you lied to her.

What happened to him is the following by analogy:

Your daughter comes out of a store with a lollipop inhand, happy as can be.

A grown man comes up to your daughter and promises her that if she gives him her lollipop, he will give her two back in return.

Your daughter thinks about this for a moment, and decides that two lollipops are indeed better than one.
She complies and gives him her lollipop.

The grown man, now holding her lollipop, then additionally informs her that in order for her to get the double lollipop deal, she has to get off the street she is on, and follow him down this dark alley.

Your daughter thinks that "but he is still holding my lollipop! and maybe its true that I will still get the second one".

So she complies and follows him down the dark alleyway.

There suddenly more grown men appear, and begin demanding that she performs various degrading and humiliating activities in order to get back her lollipop. They also record the entire 2hr activity for their own and their "friends" enjoyment.

I leave the rest to your imagination.

That is what happened here.

I suppose you could argue that extortion/blackmail are a form of breach of contract.
But that is why you are not a lawyer.

An agreement made in Eve, or an agreement concerning the transference of eve assets, obviously does not constitute a contract.

EVE is an internet spaceship game. It is not a Teamspeak game where we coerce people to do humiliating stupid things, and pressure them into an emotional frenzy. There are a number of defenders for Erotica1 here who seem to have forgotten that the EVE sandbox has boundaries based on the relevance to internet spaceships on one company's set of servers.

A good sportsman can congratulate, be friendly, and kind to his opponents. Poor winners disrespect their opponents, gloat and continuously remind the losers of their loss. It is utterly clear that Erotica1 is a terrible sportsman, who does not understand the boundaries of EVE the internet spaceship game. Why am I seeing all these complaints about sore losers, but nothing about the bad winners? Sportsmanship must be cultivated among all players.

The boundaries of EVE are all of those things which bring you advantage within the game. Scamming, ganking, and stealing of in game items are all obviously part of the EVE game. The meta game including spying obviously can also bring in game advantages. EVE has a rich and interesting meta game, but all of that should provide additional advantages in game.

Erotica1 successfully scammed Sohkar out of everything. Congratulations! Erotica1 continued to humiliate Sohkar after he had all of his stuff. Reprehensible! That was bad sportsmanship. It may have been illegal. CCP may wish to provide sanctions so as to reduce the effects of these events on their game. They may also wish to figure out policies which improve sportsmanship in the game for everyone.

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Considering in game isk can be turned into plex\Aur etc which is worth RL cash and using plex u may "pay" sub and considering there is some RL cash value to isk in EVE you point is invalid.

That would be for Erotica 1 to tell you but I will say that we had no issues with the scams.

Which is exactly why what happened outside of the game constitutes blackmail/extortion instead.

The second the interchange between these parties was taken outside of the game, the ingame context ceased to apply.

CCP can do nothing legally for any personal conversations that happen outside of the game. Get real.

Blaming the victim in RL sexual violence = not okay, and such rationalization is in and of itself morally reprehensible since the rationalization itself does measurable harm to real people who are or are yet to be victims of sexual assault.

Blaming the victim in RL for other crimes = you blame the victim where appropriate given the circumstances and blame the criminal always.

Blaming the victim in Eve scam = okay. Eve is a dangerous place and assumed to be dangerous, and since we can't blame the eve-criminal for valid gameplay, we can certainly blame the victim for being stupid and greedy.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players.
Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players.
Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

EVE is an internet spaceship game. It is not a Teamspeak game where we coerce people to do humiliating stupid things, and pressure them into an emotional frenzy. There are a number of defenders for Erotica1 here who seem to have forgotten that the EVE sandbox has boundaries based on the relevance to internet spaceships on one company's set of servers.

A good sportsman can congratulate, be friendly, and kind to his opponents. Poor winners disrespect their opponents, gloat and continuously remind the losers of their loss. It is utterly clear that Erotica1 is a terrible sportsman, who does not understand the boundaries of EVE the internet spaceship game. Why am I seeing all these complaints about sore losers, but nothing about the bad winners? Sportsmanship must be cultivated among all players.

The boundaries of EVE are all of those things which bring you advantage within the game. Scamming, ganking, and stealing of in game items are all obviously part of the EVE game. The meta game including spying obviously can also bring in game advantages. EVE has a rich and interesting meta game, but all of that should provide additional advantages in game.

Erotica1 successfully scammed Sohkar out of everything. Congratulations! Erotica1 continued to humiliate Sohkar after he had all of his stuff. Reprehensible! That was bad sportsmanship. It may have been illegal. CCP may wish to provide sanctions so as to reduce the effects of these events on their game. They may also wish to figure out policies which improve sportsmanship in the game for everyone.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players.
Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players. Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

I don't think CCP wants its services being used as a means for individuals to perpetrate crimes against other players.
Infact much of the EULA and CCP's informal policy, including some key elements of the CSM constitution notably, explicitly forbid people using ingame assets against the people who are playing the game.

The perpetrators coerced the victim into an out of game context, by means of his (or CCPs) ingame assets.
What happened in that out of game context, is potentially illegal.

Also you do not legally own any assets in Eve, they all belong to CCP.

Yes, but we're not talking about the consequences within Eve. We're talking about the consequences outside of Eve. Sure, different domains have different standards and rules.

But the idea of shifting the blame to the victim is a very HTFU sort of thing, which we generally don't endorse as an ideal in Western society, IRL.

When this guy was kept on voice comms for 2 hours, when his wife became involved, when they mocked his RL speech impediment, this wasn't Eve inside the game client anymore. It became very personal and very RL very fast.

People are mixing a lot of domains here. All that matters is how CCP wants their game to be played, and perceived by the non-Eve playing world. If they are cool with this, then it's settled. If they are not, then there is that too.

it is not a crime to agree to sing a song

"Potentially" Good luck going to small claims court over 20 bucks. lawl

You also do not own any assets IRL. Your government can take them away and kill you if you try to stop them.