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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:19:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:I like the "CCP has no right to do anything because it happened outside the game". People seem to forget that CCP has the right to do anything is damn well pleases and could ban anyone for whatever reason they could think up, regardless of it making sense or not. EULA: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights. Read this once again outloud.
Deliberate attempt to lure the guy out from in game channels with the sole purpose of dodging EULA for harassment and bullying practices might not be seen as breaching EULA itself but it's enough to be a criminal case in most civilized countries. That alone is enough for CCP to take action as their platform is used for this kind activity and if they don't do **** about it they might be the ones finding themselves under investigation.
Where you all live thinking bullying is ok these days rofl. People go to jail for saying stuff online and this is a case of E1 who simply set up a bullying shop for "entertaining" purposes using EVE online as primary tool to his predatory activity.
This is a very serious issue for CCP lol anybody who thinks otherwise is simply delusional. |

Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:20:00 -
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Upde wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:Navi Annages wrote:[quote=Bjurn Akely] You'll have to explain that further, cause you're not making sense to me. . Then keep your senses about you. If this happened outside the game then simply put CCP has no case to interfere. Morally or Legally. they have every case to do something if it brings the game, their IP and themselves as a company into disrepute. It all boils down to how much pressure CCP can take from public opinion and media coverage and how much more mud they can withstand being flung at their reputation. Wise up, this is a business, if CCP think what has happened here today could impact them financially in the future they will call curtains on E1 and the whole debacle. To any of you who think that CCP would willingly take the ensuing **** storm for this in the name of protecting the Harsh EVE universe over their bottom line you are lunatics.
Just because CCP can do anything it wants doesn't mean it can go on a witch hunt just because 'public' opinion deems it so. That's such an overinflated excuse. Media coverage. What media Coverage. Where is your beloved CNN? nope. Fox? Nope. You know why there not going to respond. They have better stories to write about more 1st world issues. If they get involved then I cannot wait for popcorn to watch Sohkar in a orange Jumpsuit because it will happen. Death threats are big big issues. Racial Slurs are big big issues. You think CNN is going to play that audio file? If a poor reporter has 2 hours of time to listen to the audio file what are they gonna do? Do they know anything about eve? What makes them credible? What happens if Sohkar is made out to be the bad guy. Will any of you "White Knights" stand up and defend him? Nope you'll be too busy trying to sway public opinion against a well known scammer. Like I said, get the media involved I hope Sohkar goes to jail. You think his wife will enjoy him going to jail because of his emotional outbursts? How about his children? Put Erotica up to burn you burn a digital toon who cares, but Sohkar will be disgraced over this. Take it farther. I dare you. Destroy a RL person. Do it. Man up and everyone petition the media. Go ahead. Let's all be responsible for causing a prison sentence. |

Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
41
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:20:00 -
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To me this boils down to 3 simple questions
Did anyone break the games TOS or EULA? In my opinion no; it all took place in TS therefore not in game.
Did anyone break the law? In my opinion possibly. IGÇÖm not a lawyer and I donGÇÖt know what the applicable laws are in the countries the various protagonists live in. In general I think the laws on cyber bullying in most countries are a mess, however this took place in TS so it would probably be classified under regular harassment / extortion / threatening behaviour laws, just as if it took place over a phone line.
Should CCP do anything? In my opinion yes. Putting aside any moral arguments CCP should act to defend their IP here. If this thing is picked up by the mainstream news it will tarnish CCPGÇÖs name and would probably impact their profits. If I worked in CCPGÇÖs PR department I would be recommending that E1 and his friends all received a permanent ban and that CCP publicly announced that they would fully cooperate with any criminal investigation into this, or any similar incidents. I donGÇÖt think CCP care if this kind of thing goes on, but they should care if it damages their public image.
Whilst I am on the subject of scamming (or close to it anyway) I think CCP should take a long hard look. CCP have implemented a direct exchange rate between RL currency and in game ISK (via PLEX) which means that any in game item that can be bought for ISK has a RL currency value. Eventually the law will catch up with this, and in game scams will get treated just like RL scams. If CCP doesnGÇÖt close up UI loopholes that facilitate scams they might find themselves on the wrong end of a lot of GÇ£aiding and abettingGÇ¥ charges.
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arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
222
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:20:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:All these "torture" and similar talking points being tossed around by people who are just copying and pasting, most of whom "have no need to see or listen to the chats/recordings."
Read Ripard and Gevlon's comments (in jester trek). Read their wording. They have agendas and don't care about collateral damage.
These whiteknight carebears on such a high moral pedestal, they actually spew hate.
Disgusting.
I welcome any of them to a debate in TS, livestreamed.
Ripard, you want to talk like that? Let's hear it in your voice.
I can orchestrate this debate easely. First question to you Ero: do you think you crossed the line?
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |

Dex Lysia
Hollywood Shoes and Bags Chained Reactions
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:22:00 -
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There are many discussions in this thread that are admittedly above my intellectual level, and this may well be one of them, but I feel that I must comment on the "TS3 isn't Eve" defence.
They found the guy in Eve, hooked and wound him further and further into the scam using his Eve assets and tried to destroy his wish to play Eve. Whether they did this on TS3 or using cups and a length of string seems pretty irrelevant, to me.
Also on the "He's been doing it for months" defence:
So far the hazing has not necessarily crossed "the line", in this case many agree that it did. The fact that he skirted the line so far doesn't alter that fact.
CCP need to distinguish between the "cold, hard universe" of losing your ship every time you undock which is supported by most of us, and the "cold, hard universe" of psychotic relief practised by a vocal minority. Not an easy task, but a required task IMO.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
427
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:23:00 -
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got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
135
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:25:00 -
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Everyone in this thread should just take a step back, maybe drink a glass of water and calm down.
I really have a hard time to understand how anyone can call this cyberbullying or torture with a straight face. After all we are talking about game characters here and not about an attack on a persons real life. Everyone who can't see that difference has lost his perspective and can't separate fiction from reality anymore and should probably stay away from this kind of RPG.
I hope this thread gives Erotica 1 the publicity to get elected to the CSM and replace Reta.. sorry, Ripart Teg.
Erotica 1 4 CMS9 |

Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:26:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet
thankyou for your well rounded post sir. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3652
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:28:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Everyone in this thread should just take a step back, maybe drink a glass of water and calm down.
I really have a hard time to understand how anyone can call this cyberbullying or torture with a straight face. After all we are talking about game characters here and not about an attack on a persons real life. Everyone who can't see that difference has lost his perspective and can't separate fiction from reality anymore and should probably stay away from this kind of RPG.
I hope this thread gives Erotica 1 the publicity to get elected to the CSM and replace Reta.. sorry, Ripart Teg.
Erotica 1 4 CMS9
While this appeal is well meant, such cogent thought has long since been lost in the tide of hurt feelings, groupthink, and white knighting for the appalling racist.
+1 nonetheless. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Upde
Upde Harris Industries
34
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:28:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet
its not about the TOS or the EULA though is it.................. its about whether CCP can tolerate the **** storm from public outcry and media frenzy that EVE is being used as a vehicle for certain people to get the rocks off on publiclly humiliating people. Its about CCP preserving their integrity and deciding if they can handle their IP being used as leverage for something that then happens outside of the game world.
Mittani got hosed because of a throw away statement that the media pounced on and CCP had to preserve the moral high ground. The same thing is unfolding here. This is not about internet spaceships anymore, its about the media potentially getting their claws into something that could make CCP look like asshats............. |
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1613
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:29:00 -
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Greed is bad. Gambling is bad. Envy is bad.
None of this is possible without greedy gamblers envious of what others have ... oh and Goons owning all of nullsec. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1415
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:29:00 -
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One thing everyone seems to be forgetting, is how stupid easy it'd be to screw someone else over, if CCP decided they had to police outside of EVE convos.
Lets say I dislike Bob. I'm out to get Bob banned. I convince random guy to log on to mumble with "Hey Bob wants to talk to you". I pretend to be Bob, and throw shenanigans. CCP gets wind, Bob gets bannzed, I laugh.
Once you leave CCPs control, you can't authenticate someone is who they say they are. Anyone can log in to mumble, call themselves LAF, and pretend to be me. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:30:00 -
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Upde wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet its not about the TOS or the EULA though is it.................. its about whether CCP can tolerate the **** storm from public outcry and media frenzy that EVE is being used as a vehicle for certain people to get the rocks off on publiclly humiliating people. Its about CCP preserving their integrity and deciding if they can handle their IP being used as leverage for something that then happens outside of the game world. Mittani got hosed because of a throw away statement that the media pounced on and CCP had to preserve the moral high ground. The same thing is unfolding here. This is not about internet spaceships anymore, its about the media potentially getting their claws into something that could make CCP look like asshats.............
CCP did nothing. Sokhar as a knowing and consenting adult got himself into trouble. If he was 11 years old we'd be having a different conversation. |

Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
103
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:30:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Lucretia DeWinter wrote: We are adults and should conduct ourselves with respect, keeping the villainy within the game.
i like your post. but the last sentence quoted above is highly doubtful regarding the action of ero et al.
Well, by 'respect' I mean we should respect ourselves and others.
I respect Erotica1.
I can think of no character in New Eden that is as clever and successful at using very deliberate and crafty methods to freely acquire ISK and assets from other characters. He is a singularly talented and intelligent person.
I would hope Erotica1 considers this incident a mistake that went beyond the plan.
I can accept that people can make mistakes and things can get out of hand. It's what they choose to do following these events that measures my respect for them.
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dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1149
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:32:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
I don't really matter if it break the eula or not, ccp can simple say "we don't want this" and then it's law. The ELUA explicit tells you want you are not allowed to do, that does not mean you are allowed to do everything else. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1082
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:32:00 -
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I wonder how people would deal now with watching Beadle's About or something, where they end up crushing people's cars and stuff. I mean if this is torture that much have been on par with genocide or something. |

arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
223
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:33:00 -
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Btw. Is kicking someone in the face in fanfest because he ganked you is not a bannable thing? Its out of game, then not covered by EULA.
Note: you should never hit anyone, its illegal and not humane
Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3652
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:33:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:One thing everyone seems to be forgetting, is how stupid easy it'd be to screw someone else over, if CCP decided they had to police outside of EVE convos.
Lets say I dislike Bob. I'm out to get Bob banned. I convince random guy to log on to mumble with "Hey Bob wants to talk to you". I pretend to be Bob, and throw shenanigans. CCP gets wind, Bob gets bannzed, I laugh.
Once you leave CCPs control, you can't authenticate someone is who they say they are. Anyone can log in to mumble, call themselves LAF, and pretend to be me.
I think quite a few people are also forgetting that, if they establish precedent for, as someone excellently put it, "voting people off the island" due to forum outrage, that they will really not like how it ends. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Big Lynx
The Gun Runners Space Warriors
252
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:33:00 -
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Biggest mistake of ero et al. was to make that audio recordings public. He killed his "business" and reputation with that. I think he knows that, but he will never admit it. |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:34:00 -
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I say it's time we make a stand and unsub en masse! Unsub from this thread I mean, I woke up to 1300+ notifications. That's not healty behavior ppl! Go do something useful with your time like ganking miners ffs.  |
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PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet thankyou for your well rounded post sir.
I see E1 alts and his friends on full propaganda mode lol.
Again, e1 set up a bullying shop using eve online as a tool to do it. If anybody presses criminal charges which in this case has a lot of merit to do so CCP will be either ruled out of it because they banned the dude after finding out about it or their lawyers will spend a lot of dollars trying to fight themselves out of a case for being a party that consciously harbors people that can be considered dangerous and gives them tools that allow them to engage in predatiorial practices.
It's how this world goes these days. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5031
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccl and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccl staff.
Not to mention, live on TV (well, an Internet streamed production).
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it docent break the tos or the eula....well then.
You can't legislate morality. It's up to CCP to decide whether E1's behaviour crosses some line or another. For me there's a hard limit of anything that's illegal in the real world is obviously ban-worthy. Before that, there might be some limits on what is "reasonable" behaviour out-of-game but associated with the game, because you don't necessarily want to scare away new customers before they've had a chance to see how much fun the rest of the community can be. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4626
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:36:00 -
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Like I've said many times, many of my sharpest critics may be pleasantly surprised when they see me as CSM, if only they will be able to take off the blinders.
I'm not running to push an agenda of special spaceships or advantages for one alliance over another.
I support a wide open sandbox, with more tools available for emergent gameplay. That said, I support clear guidance on anything that may be seen as questionable or controversial.
Let's imagine for a moment that I'm on the CSM and this whole thread is about someone else.
Instead of: A. Ignoring bonus rounds for many months B. Grabbing a pitchfork C. Blindly offering support
I would have worked to set clear guidelines that the alleged scammer knows what's kosher and what's not.
I would not D. be blogging about it and throwing a fit. Or was that B.
See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

One Eyed Runner
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:37:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:One Eyed Runner wrote:6 accounts of mine were cancelled because of this so will wait and see what if anything CCP does While I hope this protest isn't ever lasting (because I have a lot of respect for people who take action rather than whine on the forum), can I have your stuff just in case?
no sorry I live in Jita so f*ck off |

Navi Annages
The Scope Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:37:00 -
[2395] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:I say it's time we make a stand and unsub en masse! Unsub from this thread I mean, I woke up to 1300+ notifications. That's not healty behavior ppl! Go do something useful with your time like ganking miners ffs. 
GL getting people to unsub in bulk. Why go through the trouble. They weren't scammed. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5031
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:38:00 -
[2396] - Quote
Erotica 1 wrote:I would have worked to set clear guidelines that the alleged scammer knows what's kosher and what's not.
The problem is that if you draw definitive lines in the sand, the boundary-pushers will keep sticking their toes over the line in an attempt to push the line further out of their way.
So no, don't expect any clear ideas of what is "kosher". Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Upde
Upde Harris Industries
35
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:38:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Upde wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:got as far as page 24 lastnight...wake up to this. feel the need to chime in here in support for Malcanis, regardless of what ye all think of Erotica 1 , pitchforks and torches are not the answer, its way too vague a precedent to set and leaves ccp open for frankly offensive demands. i actually completely agree with him on the homosexuality/Russian block thing (i had the exact same concern). mittens was treated as he was because he was a representative of both players and ccp and ****** up in the the same room as most of the ccp staff.
don get me wrong here , i was bullied as a kid, rather badly and find the bonus room to be somewhat disgusting but given that it dosent break the tos or the eula....well then.
Also, seriously, who the **** trusts strangers on the internet its not about the TOS or the EULA though is it.................. its about whether CCP can tolerate the **** storm from public outcry and media frenzy that EVE is being used as a vehicle for certain people to get the rocks off on publiclly humiliating people. Its about CCP preserving their integrity and deciding if they can handle their IP being used as leverage for something that then happens outside of the game world. Mittani got hosed because of a throw away statement that the media pounced on and CCP had to preserve the moral high ground. The same thing is unfolding here. This is not about internet spaceships anymore, its about the media potentially getting their claws into something that could make CCP look like asshats............. CCP did nothing. Sokhar as a knowing and consenting adult got himself into trouble. If he was 11 years old we'd be having a different conversation.
and we may all think that, but the bottom line here is that if CCP need to do a damage limitation exercise because of heat from media, public opinion etc etc, then they will do what ever is in their best interest.
Do you think CCP wanted to ban Mittani for 30 days and strip him from CSM and potentially ostracise him from the community ?? of course they didn't he was actually pretty good but they did so because it was a damage limitation exercise and they did what they needed to do in order to protect themselves as a business. The same applies here. It doesn't matter if every CCP worker thinks this is great, if they are told they need to do something to protect CCPs rep they will simply do it and what we think won't matter. Point in case, look at how many votes Mittani got...... it was over 10K and CCP told the community to do one and removed him anyway. |

dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1151
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:39:00 -
[2398] - Quote
Big Lynx wrote:Biggest mistake of ero et al. was to make that audio recordings public. He killed his "business" and reputation with that. I think he knows that, but he will never admit it.
He wanted them to be public, that was why he made the recording. This was never about isk, he wants to humiliate the person, that is why he does it.
This has nothing to do with spaceships or eve, besides from the fact that eve is the only games that allows this kind of behavior. If he was allowed to do the same in wow, he would probably not play eve in the first place. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |

Bunnie Hop
468
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:39:00 -
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This toxic thread sure gives me pause when considering my future in this game. This community as some nice players, but also the greatest concentration of venomous hateful people I have ever seen-all condoned (if not actively supported) by CCP. For now I forbid my daughter (an eve player-but only with supervision) from viewing these forums any further. |

Jack Lennox
Killing With a Smile
32
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Posted - 2014.03.26 10:42:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Dave Stark wrote:just going to point out that you've confirmed your stance that running a scam in a game that encourages scams, is to you, less acceptable than physical violence. I would laugh and applaud if someone kicked Erotica1 in the face at a Fanfest. Nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. I would also laugh and applaud if Erotica1 was banned from the game. Again, nothing illegal about laughing or applauding, nor is it against EULA. Wouldn't you?
So you believe physical violence isn't as bad as scamming for fake money?
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