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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:00:00 -
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rolling towards permabans...
fingers crossed. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
1930
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Gwydion Voleur wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time. This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion. Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor. *EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting. Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think. I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else. Want to make billions a week solo running combat sites in null sec? -á Read my Exploratation Guide here -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=309467 |
Scorth Aumer
Brains of Britain
3
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:01:00 -
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I have read this thread and jesters blog post and seen arguments on both sides and the only thing I can really say is that while yes i agree what Ero did was over board (once you've got the players assets the rest was completely not needed and humiliating) I also agree that the person should t have issued death threats nor racial slurs to someone (though saying one racial slur hardly makes someone a racist. people say stupid **** when upset don't think they should be judged on what they say when like that. We've all said stupid stuff when upset dont think we should be judged by what we say in those moments). I don't believe either should be banned. No matter how much I dislike what Ero did he never broke any in game rules doing it.
PS. people who want Ero banned i understand your anger but saying thinly veiled death threats at the guy wont solve anything and in fact damaging any argument you once had.
Just my 2 cent on the matter. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3516
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:01:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.
I am fully prepared to be very happy. EVE will be better off for it, too. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
539
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:02:00 -
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I'm not going to share my opinions here but I would like to say that Erotica 1 has been doing this for some time, and now just because a somewhat well known Eve figure does a blog about it does everyone freak out over it. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager |
Sibyyl
309
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:03:00 -
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Galdrak wrote:if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings? May I politely ask you refrain from analogies like this? There is absolutely no similarity and I think it's not good to draw this parallel to Sohkar's experience.
/Fÿ¡
Now that you are *campers* you will have more *parties* and no more *sad* *lonely* *bubbles*. |
Drone 16
Law Dogz
58
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:04:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote: 3) Any judge/jury will recognise that Sohkars outbursts are a result of duress, piled with harassment, humiliating and degrading demands.
I would hate to be trying to explain to a cop, one who deals with real scumbags and has probably also been in war, why I was pressing charges (after ridiculing someone on the internet for several hours). I can see the crew-cut battle hardened (and probably violent and dealing with PTSD) cop squinting at E1 and saying "so you feel threated by who? What? What are you talking about?"
We wouldn't entertain it most likely. At least in my experience it would be handled as a violation if at all. The complainant would have to make a statement and sign civilian arrest paperwork. The onus of the arrest and any counter-litigation would be on the complainant and not the officer since the officer simply facilitated a civilian arrest. This would never ever have a chance at seeing a judge.
That doesn't make what E1 did any less despicable it just means that he is intelligent enough to know just how far he can push a person of limited capacity and not cross a line to get his jollies. His behavior is very similar to many of the brighter criminals I deal with, they know all of the rules of the system and exploit it to their advantage. I guess in a way we should be happy he channels his inner scumbag in a game setting.
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Winchester Steele
561
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:04:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:Faenir Antollare wrote:This whole affair is very poor publicity for both CCP and Eve and as such I personally believe that CCP should do more to discourage such behavior. You are 100% right! I hereby call for Ripard Tegs immediate dismissal from the CSM and permanent banning of all accounts and assets. This wouldn't be any publicity at all if that idiot hadn't written a self-serving white knight blog about it. Ccp is a business after all. Can't have wild guns like ****** Teg out there giving bad publicity when they should be promoting the game. You seem mad. Are you gnashing your teeth right now little fella?
Huh? Really? That's what you got from my post? Must be a cultural thing. Here in Canada, I would be aptly described to be "cool as a cucumber". This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Genseric Tollaris
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
112
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:04:00 -
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The hysterics in this thread are getting hilarious. One things is certain, this is excellent 'content' lol. |
Toshiro Ozuwara
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
434
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:05:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period. Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. They thought they could get away.-áNot today, it's not the way that this kid plays. |
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Snitches Laden
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:06:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:
By bent, I obviously mean "crooked".
No such word as crooked. And I find the assertation that you have friends to be highly dubious. Synonyms for bent angled arced arched bowed contorted crookedI have many friends :) Would you like to be one? Sorry, DENIED! Sentamon wrote:Dude is freaking out over $20? Hopefully he sees a mental health professional. If you think its the 20bucks he's freaking over, and not how he is being treated, it might be you who hopefully sees a mental health professional.
I have come to find that through life many people you run into are selfish morons who only care about themselves and could never be empathetic toward others. to them I say farewell and goodnight. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3518
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:06:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period. Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works.
Bullshit. Death threats are inexcusable. His emotions are his responsiblity, no one else's. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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WarProfit
Empire Investments Logistics
10
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"
now I remember why I voted for you.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:08:00 -
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Galdrak wrote:if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings?
+1
this is exactly what E1 did.
Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording.
Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved.
Sickening how close to kiddie **** creeps this is. |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
459
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:08:00 -
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WAIT!
In one of the locked threads did someone seriously say that Icelandic Law doesn't apply to Americans who are in Iceland.
What a moron. |
Galdrak
Interplanetary Trade Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:08:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Galdrak wrote:if a woman goes to a club gets drunk and raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings? May I politely ask you refrain from analogies like this? There is absolutely no similarity and I think it's not good to draw this parallel to Sohkar's experience. /Fÿ¡
i didnt write that, i was quoting another post and decrying him for it. its disgraceful and completely unwarranted to try to compare a sex crime with this players behaviour, |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
610
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:09:00 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Not once did Erotica threaten physical violence against his client.
Its not "his client" when the interchange is taking in an environment OUTSIDE of EVE.
Have you lost all touch with reality?
"But Your Honor! I blew this guys stuff up because its possible IN EVE!"
You can't extend a scam outside of the context of EVE.
What is acceptable within EVE, in many cases becomes CRIMINAL if you attempt to extend it beyond it.
In the "Bonus Room", nobody is there as an EVE character or player. They are all there as independant, autonomous and culpable individuals just like everyone else sitting in every other non-EVE voice comm room on the entire planet.
That Erotica1 is actively, repeatedly and provenly sourcing and predating his victims from WITHIN the EVE community, for exploitation OUTSIDE of the game, is the issue here. You can't do that. Its not only against EULA, its also against laws depending on how you conduct yourself in that external environment. |
Jim Era
8489
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:09:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.
Can I have your stuff? x8?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4506
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:11:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gwydion Voleur wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time. This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion. Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor. *EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting. Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think. I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.
I'm waiting to see if this goes viral. As I have said before, I always pause before telling people who know about games that I play Eve, because the response is already not very enthusiastic.
If this incident goes viral, then I will be ashamed of playing this game and will have to consider my associations in the long term.
And it would be fitting that in this "Atrium of Lies" that the world is today (Front Line Assembly reference) that such a great game as this with such great people in it becomes associated with the worst scumbag-dragging douchebaggery as could ever be perceived.
It's almost as if THAT was the goal of players like E1 - to destroy something beautiful by soiling the reputation of it. All these people who are after tears and driving others from the game and at the same time making it attractive to more people like themselves.
The potential for this game, to be more than just a game, is HUGE. How huge? Well, in "my day", we read sci-fi books and watched movies like Star Trek. Now if Eve Online becomes more than just an MMO, but an entire franchise, we won't be talking about "some episode on season 4" or something, we would, pretty much like we do now, be saying "yeah I was in that battle flying a bomber" or something.
If CCP could bank on what they really have going on here they could change the way the public consumes sci-fi FOREVER. I don't think anybody would want to go back to reading books or passively watching a starship warp around on TV.
And to think of all of that wrecked and the people who will lurk in their basements knowing they wrecked it - no. Something has to be done about this, because I don't want there to be a day when I'm ashamed to play a game that can be more than just a game because of this "element" that gleefully takes something wonderful and rubs it in their butt cracks while sneering.
But if I have to leave, I know I can pick myself up the next day and carry on, and I won't be ashamed. (but to heck with that statist-drivel infected Star Citizen I'd rather play Minesweeper).
Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Xuixien
Attitude Adjustment Incorporated
796
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:11:00 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Personally I don't give one crap what happens to someone ingame and in fact encourage any sort of behaviour that could be classed as "Darwinism"; filtering out the players who just can't adapt or survive. Having said that I draw the line at purposely attacking, bullying and near sociopathic behaviour. There's a difference between ingame dealings with a player and taking it all out of context and "toy" with a person in public.
Years ago Tank CEO got this guy on TS who then ended up going apeshit, but initially the outset was to just have a talk and try and clam this guy down, explaining some stuff. It just turned out to be hilarious and thus I have no issue with it. That link in Jester's blog goes way beyond that and while I normally would go "lol HTFU" this, again, does cross the line imo.
Was that before or after he RMT'd his account? AUT5M - Active WH Corporation seeking new recruits. Frequent fleets, perfect boosts, material buyback, and more. Battleship/Logi/T3 pilots needed. Inquire within. Full API required. |
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Winchester Steele
562
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:12:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Feyth Yinleq wrote:Says the guy who laughed, had his wife and children laugh at a poor guy being humiliated by a sociopath. Not brilliant yourself, are you ? If it is true that he got his kids to laugh at this, that's unpleasant. It's not close to on par with making repeated threats of real-life violence like people are in this thread. Or the vomiting out of racist slurs and threats to kill by the contestant.
Now I normally like your posts but I take offence to this. My two teenage sons are fully cognizant and intelligent humans capable of making their own judgements and I am not much of a person to collymoddle anyone, especially my children. If you want to see what sheltering your kids does to them, just look through this thread at all the people who think what Ero did was "bullying". This kind of thinking is a direct product of the bubble wrap brigade.
As I stated though, once the racism and death threats came out, laughing time ended and they were asked to leave. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2357
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:14:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The 'victim' CHOOSE to spew threats and racial hatred over the internet rather than click on an X and end his involvement/"torture" in the bonus room. That choice right there is many times more reprehensible than anything Erotica1 has done in the entire time he/she has played EVE, period. Decision quality is low when emotions are running high. His decision clearly wasn't premeditated. And it was more certainly solicited. We all know how this works. Erotica1 was out for tears, and got them. So happy to receive them, he released the audio.
This is why I do not think the contestant should be held to the letter of the EULA over these actions but should be given another chance alongside a firm warning.
He was clearly irate at the time due to his misplaced trust and the in-game losses that it had caused him. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 --áPsychotic Monk for CSM! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
610
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:16:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:---As I stated though, once the racism and death threats came out, laughing time ended and they were asked to leave.
What happened on the TS is none of CCPs business or concern.
That Erotica1 is sourcing victims from within the game, for exploitation outside the game, is very much CCPs business. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
811
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:17:00 -
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Drone 16 wrote:... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media.
This sums up my position nicely. eve-bazaar - Discount prices on ships and PLEX. Real savings to drive your ISK further. |
PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:20:00 -
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E1 deliberately takes a guy out of game to go on his humiliation, bullying crusade and dodge ban hammer. Victim was lured out of game.
If you ask me that's premeditated behavior to cause damage and avoid law/Eula.
CCP you better wake the F up. |
WarProfit
Empire Investments Logistics
12
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:20:00 -
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How is Erotica exploiting players? If exploiting them means using them for entertainment purposes then arrest john stuart but if he is scamming them out of RL cash then yes that is exploiting. Merely smearing some dumb **** on the internet over his reaction to being played the fool is not exploiting them. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4507
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:21:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Drone 16 wrote:... the community should self-regulate, I'm not even sold on getting CCP involved and/or especially the media. This sums up my position nicely.
Heh - instead of voting for CSMs can we get a vote on this? Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Michele Bachmann
Failed Diplomacy Failed-Diplomacy
15
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:21:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Galdrak wrote:if a woman goes to a club gets raped is she a willing participant because she was naieve to her surroundings? +1 this is exactly what E1 did. Lured a vulnerable person to an out-of-game environment, and took advantage while recording. Thank god it did not happen to an under-18. Then CCP would HAVE to get legal involved. Sickening how close to kiddie **** creeps this is.
I find your trivialization of **** abhorrent. In no way what happened here was it non-consensual.
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Winchester Steele
564
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:23:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Gwydion Voleur wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:I don't see how anyone with a straight face can use the words torture, victim, etc in relation to a game that you voluntarily play, where the items and actions aren't real, and you can leave at any time you want. You can block/ignore anyone you want, close down TS any time. This is post #15 on page 1 of a 72 page threadnought, and should have ended the discussion. Is this the way I play EvE, or the way 99.9% of everyone else plays? No, thankfully. It's pretty despicable. But it's not actionable, or illegal, or the result of anything but the stupidity and greed of the sad sack on the receiving end. Caveat emptor. *EDIT* Sorry it's now up to 73 pages, and counting. Because some people see themselves and others as victims IMO. Where some of us see "dude, you could have just stopped", others see" omg poor dude they tortured you that's so sad". I think the so sad people are enablers for people who don't think. I expect to at least see new guidelines from CCP about this sort of thing. If that doesn't happen you'll be happy to know I'll be cancelling my 8 existing subs and playing something else.
Cool. If Riptard Teg doesn't get removed from his CSM seat over this garbage then *I* will be cancelling my 9 accounts. So Nyah. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
11289
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Posted - 2014.03.26 01:24:00 -
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Did anyone count how many times that the "victim" left the bonus room... only to return?
Oh wait.... no one cares. Burn the witches! Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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