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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
488
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:44:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already? He is here reading. Has even thrown me a Like or two. |

arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
206
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:44:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:arabella blood wrote:Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already? nope, and wont happen. he's enjoying the precious tears though.
You cant really enjoy other's tears without letting those other know ;) Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |

Ameline Veil
uncooperative freight company
2
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:44:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:
Let me know which one you chose.
You have obviously already chosen for us both and i don't think that there is any possible way of a sensible discussion with you. |

Winchester Steele
448
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:44:00 -
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Ripard Teg is, without a doubt, the worst thing to happen to the CSM in all my years of play. It's unreal to me that such a themepark loving, sandbox killing imbecile "represents" me to CCP. And no I didn't read his blog. His blog is trash barely more legible than Gevlon's and with about as much spin. Nothing that Ripard says has one shred of credibility over here, as in my mind he is public enemy #1 in terms of wanting to wreck the sandbox.
That being said, I do feel that Erotica1 brings lots of legitimate content to my Eve experience. Although he goes pretty far out of my comfort zone sometimes, I am not some PC busybody who has to impose my morals on other people (cough Ripard cough). If it is too much for me to stomach, I just go do something else.
You have to remember. The people who enter the bonus room do so willingly, as adults. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever, regardless of how it turns out. If you are dumb enough to hand all your assets over to a total stranger in Eve of all places, you get EXACTLY what you deserve.
Not that I expect my opinion or that of my peers to matter. The PC bubble wrap brigade is slowly and inexorably marching Eve to it's demise in their neverending quest to "just play the game in peace". Whatever. When they finally do boil the frog and make this game into Hello Kitty Online at least my wife will be happy that I have some free time again. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
206
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:46:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:arabella blood wrote:Aaaaand we are on page 15 and no Erotica1 comment yet. Banned already? He is here reading. Has even thrown me a Like or two.
So why the hiding? Come out of your 'glory hole' bunny :) Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |

Xander Delacroix
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:46:00 -
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Perhaps this discussion shouldn't be about a single incident, in this case Erotica1's bonus room, but rather about the questions that cut to the heart of the matter. Questions such as (but not limited to):
1. At what point does 'emergent gameplay' become 'cyber-bullying? 2. If such a point is established what could, and indeed what should, CCP do about it? 3. If people are found to be committing cyber-bullying, either within Eve or associated with Eve (as in the 'bonus room' case) what sanctions, if any, are appropriate? 4. Is there a role for the CSM in all this (especially since two of it's current members are quite vocal on this particular issue)? 5. Can some of the thoughts and ideas discussed in this thread be used by the CSM and CCP to try and find a common ground compromise?
Compromise seems to be the way forward: a resolution that many may not be happy with, but that everyone can at least live with? I think that Eve will be a better game and experience for everyone if we can actually enter into a civilised, and most importantly, productive, dialogue. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
527
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:47:00 -
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Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them.
So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour? Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Malcolm from Marketing
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them. So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?
Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed. |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
514
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Quote:What I would say is "wow, that's an unstable person who should not have been playing EVE online of visiting a comms channel with some easily google-able person like Erotica1 in the 1st place"
Quote:Did somebody hold a gun at that guy's head to make him do all those idiotic things? Seriously, you can have no idea about who Erotica1 is and what he does in Eve and still not let him put you through those silly things. You got baited into isk doubling scheme, fine, cut your loses and walk away.
And to everyone else who thinks that people who play EVE should all harden the f*ck up and all be emotionally stable super soldiers:
This might be a good time to point out that EVE Online is rated PEGI 12 and that children younger than 12 are actually allowed to play with their parent's consent.
Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.
And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Prince Kobol
1457
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:49:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:This is what CCP created.
Are you Happy? They are literally laughing all the way to the bank. I'm happy, because CCP created this actual adult game where people are responsible for themselves. I've fallen for a couple scams (I bought a 700 million isk tech1 hauler in Rens a few months ago,it was the only one in the Sisters station and i was in a hurry lol). It never occurred to me to threaten the scammer with real life harm or be mad at CCP for allowing me to do something stupid. Same here, if you don't know you can be humiliated on comms (EVe voice or 3rd party) some responsible adult should take you headphones away and prevent you from downloading teamspeak ever again. I will never understand how there are so many weak minded and irresponsible people in this world let alone in this notorious and harsh game.
Small issue is that Eve Online is not aimed at just adults but for 12+ years and above. |
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
527
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:50:00 -
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Ameline Veil wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:
Let me know which one you chose.
You have obviously already chosen for us both and i don't think that there is any possible way of a sensible discussion with you.
Funny, I could say exactly the same thing about you.
Which was kind of the point in the first place, If you weren't interested in having a discussion about this at all then just come out and say so rather than trying to blame someone else for it. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
527
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:51:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them. So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour? Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed.
Right, because E1 was totally in a speaking role at a major CCP sponsored convention when this happened, it isn't the same and you know it.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

arabella blood
Revenant Tactical
206
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:52:00 -
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Read: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3867335#post3867335
When even Goons don't like the 'bonus room', you know something is going on... Troll for hire. Cheap prices. |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
290
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:52:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:I read the Jester's blog post, but I haven't read any of the comments there, nor here. My opinion based on what Erotica1 has done, is to permaban him and all his accounts. No mercy whatsoever, no refunds for money spent. Nada. Would you care to expand upon why Erotica and the like should suffer real world punishment for actions that are carried out within a virtual world that does not forbid said actions, no matter how distasteful you or I may find them? Perspective is a quality that some in this thread appear to be lacking. If you don't like something that somebody is doing within the confines of Eve, then punish them for it, in game. Threats of real world violence for actions carried out within the context of Eve are not acceptable, people who make such threats, or condone them should be stomped on from a great height by both CCP and local authorities. I don't know about Icelandic law, but in my country what Erotica1 does with the Bonus Room, is illegal. That alone is reason enough for me. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |

Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1058
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:53:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Quote:What I would say is "wow, that's an unstable person who should not have been playing EVE online of visiting a comms channel with some easily google-able person like Erotica1 in the 1st place" Quote:Did somebody hold a gun at that guy's head to make him do all those idiotic things? Seriously, you can have no idea about who Erotica1 is and what he does in Eve and still not let him put you through those silly things. You got baited into isk doubling scheme, fine, cut your loses and walk away. And to everyone else who thinks that people who play EVE should all harden the f*ck up and all be emotionally stable super soldiers: This might be a good time to point out that EVE Online is rated PEGI 12 and that children younger than 12 are actually allowed to play with their parent's consent. Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives. And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'.
This is the only rule change I would support. Making the game 18+, it's a double win both for the kids who should be playing outside, and for those of us who don't want annoying kids around.
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1378
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:54:00 -
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Malcolm from Marketing wrote: Agreed.
Only the authorities and mainline media will be looking for any and all triggers in even increasing detail. Blame has to land somewhere no?
I wouldnt say CCP would be over joyed at their game being a deciding factor.
It's actually one of the more annoying bits of mental healthcare in this day and age. People are more obsessed over discovering and avoiding "triggers" that set off mental disorders, than they are actually treating the disorder so the "trigger" is no longer a problem.
And, again going off past incidents where similar has happened....the media will try to conflate the game with the disorder (Mother shakes baby to death, then plays Farmville! News at 9!" and the authorities will apply legal "blame" to the person suffering said mental disorder.
Honestly, it's no longer a hypothetical in the gaming world. People have gone off the deep end and committed crimes due to in game behaviour. It's almost silly to speculate on the reaction, when you can just google it. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
17387
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:54:00 -
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Anna Karhunen wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Anna Karhunen wrote:I read the Jester's blog post, but I haven't read any of the comments there, nor here. My opinion based on what Erotica1 has done, is to permaban him and all his accounts. No mercy whatsoever, no refunds for money spent. Nada. Would you care to expand upon why Erotica and the like should suffer real world punishment for actions that are carried out within a virtual world that does not forbid said actions, no matter how distasteful you or I may find them? Perspective is a quality that some in this thread appear to be lacking. If you don't like something that somebody is doing within the confines of Eve, then punish them for it, in game. Threats of real world violence for actions carried out within the context of Eve are not acceptable, people who make such threats, or condone them should be stomped on from a great height by both CCP and local authorities. I don't know about Icelandic law, but in my country what Erotica1 does with the Bonus Room, is illegal. That alone is reason enough for me. Citation needed.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
516
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:57:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them. So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour? Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed. Right, because E1 was totally in a speaking role at a major CCP sponsored convention when this happened, it isn't the same and you know it.
Could very well be. He's running for CSM (or so he claims). If he gets enough votes we're sending someone to Iceland that takes pride in humiliating and abusing the player base he provides a voice for. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Ameline Veil
uncooperative freight company
3
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Citation needed.
Article 68 (of the Constitution of Iceland)
No one may be subjected to torture or any other inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment. |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2800
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Xander Delacroix wrote:1. At what point does 'emergent gameplay' become 'cyber-bullying? 2. If such a point is established what could, and indeed what should, CCP do about it? It shouldn't be a point but a vague nebulous grey area that will allow CCP to almost arbitrarily ban anyone at any time who dares to enter if they so feel like it. As soon as it is clearly defined, people will balance on the edge of "legality". With a grey area, anyone that tries to find that fine line will get lost and possibly eaten. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
311
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:58:00 -
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I think.. - Ripard's blog is overly polemic - E1 is ethically wrong, on a worse level than The Mittani at Fanfest - the victim overreacted aswell, but that does not make E1 right
We as a gaming community and CCP as a gaming company have a certain ethical background by which actions are judged. If my local chess club has a member that keeps dissing people we may very well debar hir. If an internet forum has a member that continuously keeps harassing other participants ze may very well get banned. I see the problem being that the Eve community is a very broad one, with players from all over the world. But maybe it's up to CCP here to make clear what they as a company think is right and what is wrong, what kind of behaviour they think is tolerable and which isn't, with the best for the overall player community in mind. (Don't forget, we are talking about people conduct here, not character conduct)
Re: "No one was forcing him" That's not as easy. I am sure E1 is a very intelligent person. And when it comes to rhetoric and psychology you have to look deeper. E1 is doing his scheme in a very distinct way, on purpose. _First_ the player has to give up everything of ISK value ze owns. Players who are sufficiently intelligent (and are not trying to counterscam E1 or just messing around) likely stop right before that. Players that did this first step, are likely in a weaker state of mind. A player such as that, who already is heavily invested via the prepaid high stakes (high to hir at least), will have serious trouble just stopping. |

Prince Kobol
1460
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:59:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them. So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?
No but sometimes there are occasions, situations which fall outside the the EULA and TOS.
Not everything in Life is black and white.
Every so often something will happen that will fall outside the EULA and TOS and which is morally wrong.
In this situation we have a person / small group of people who have taken an in game situation outside the game to circumvent the rules to a level which at best can be described as bullying.
Now yes CCP can say that since it is happening on voice comms outside of their control they can ignore it and say it is outside their control, or they can say that they find this behaviour reprehensible and do not want their game to be associated with this type of behaviour and act in what ever way they feel is appropriate.
One thing they can not do is stay silent and hope it all goes away because people like Erotic and his friends tend to keep pushing the envelope further and further and will one day no doubt one day find somebody who is vulnerable, a 12 year or somebody in a weak mental state and the result will be terrible. |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1376
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:59:00 -
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Ameline Veil wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Citation needed.
Article 68 (of the Constitution of Iceland) No one may be subjected to torture or any other inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
That must hit the BDSM community pretty hard.. unless of course the torture has to be non-consensual in which case Erotica 1 is fine. I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
516
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Posted - 2014.03.25 15:59:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:Quote:What I would say is "wow, that's an unstable person who should not have been playing EVE online of visiting a comms channel with some easily google-able person like Erotica1 in the 1st place" Quote:Did somebody hold a gun at that guy's head to make him do all those idiotic things? Seriously, you can have no idea about who Erotica1 is and what he does in Eve and still not let him put you through those silly things. You got baited into isk doubling scheme, fine, cut your loses and walk away. And to everyone else who thinks that people who play EVE should all harden the f*ck up and all be emotionally stable super soldiers: This might be a good time to point out that EVE Online is rated PEGI 12 and that children younger than 12 are actually allowed to play with their parent's consent. Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives. And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'. This is the only rule change I would support. Making the game 18+, it's a double win both for the kids who should be playing outside, and for those of us who don't want annoying kids around.
Or we could try to... you know, not create such a hostile environment and actually be nice to people.
My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
527
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:00:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Malcolm from Marketing wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Kara Vix wrote:If CCP takes no action against Erotica, then they are sanctioning this behavior and are no better than he is. I expect better from them. So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour? Like mittani was you mean? Yeah that would be outrageous indeed. Right, because E1 was totally in a speaking role at a major CCP sponsored convention when this happened, it isn't the same and you know it. Could very well be. He's running for CSM (or so he claims). If he gets enough votes we're sending someone to Iceland that takes pride in humiliating and abusing the player base he provides a voice for.
Thats up to the people bothered enough with the CSM to vote, I wasnt planning on voting for him anyway so it makes no difference to me either way. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
2468
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:00:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
This is the only rule change I would support. Making the game 18+, it's a double win both for the kids who should be playing outside, and for those of us who don't want annoying kids around.
I agree wholeheartedly. I dont like the idea of adults messing kids around, but I also dont like the idea of kids being in this game at all. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Winchester Steele
449
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:00:00 -
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fudface wrote:+1 for jester for trying but i dont think it will change anything. The crucial thing with this is the victim is a willing participant.
Personally i think its total madness to give all your stuff over to another player you dont know and trust regardless of the reason.
i only managed to listen to around 8 minutes before i was shaking my head and thinking no one is THAT blind to the obvious,
i know gamblers who cant help chasing their losses until they are totally broke. its human stupidity and greed that is being exploited here.
i mean come on, if it looks like easy money then you are the one creating the easy money.
my 1 isk worth.
I'm sorry. How are they a victim if they are a willing participant?
Oh. It's just more loaded terms and empty platitudes from the bubble wrap brigade. Got it. This game is built around the likes of us. It's not the assholes that are playing the wrong game. - James Amril-Kesh. |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
293
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:01:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Citation needed.
I don't have the info in English, but here cyber bullying public shaming (which Erotica1 does to his victims) is illegal as the police says on its pages. I cannot point the lawtext to you, since at this moment the site hosting up to date law texts is under heavy stress and cannot be reached. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1493
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:02:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.
But he didn't so this argument is pointless here.
TigerXtrm wrote: And regardless of that, I think it's absolutely repulsive that certain people around here believe that Erotica's behavior (or any bullying behavior within EVE) should be classed as 'normal and to be expected within EVE'.
CCP is making rules here and in the end our opinions don't matter at all. And I don't see anybody shooting statues over this "horrible behavior" so that means for all white knights here this is less important than pixel monocles. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
448
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Posted - 2014.03.25 16:02:00 -
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Should have followed the rules in his Bio. |
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