Now imagine Erotica pulling this sort of bullsh*t on a 12 year old kid that is about as emotionally stable as a house made of sand and who may already be dealing with enough bullying in their real lives.

Citation needed.

Look up the world slander.

If you're truly concerned you should forward this matter to law enforcement and let professionals deal with it, not smear CCP with it.

If he is a vulnerable person why is he playing EVE. If he's under someone's care they dropped the ball, if he's not then he's competent to make his own decisions and thus face the consequences of same.

According to him he's a grown married man knowledgeable enough to play EVE....but apparently not enough to use google.

But he didn't so this argument is pointless here.

Just seize the accounts and ban him.

I mean honestly, I can appreciate some "for teh lols" as much as the next guy, but if you play that recording to any reasonably sensible people in a room, or for example outloud on speakers at the next Fanfest to the combined community represented there, I think the majority will most certainly agree that this is crossing the line too far.

Play it on the speakers and see what the reaction is. Go ahead, I dare you.

Here is the recording linked in the blog:
https://soundcloud.com/kalorned/erotica1bonusroom_sohkar

And apparently this is only one of many many such recordings and incidents.

Hey malcanis this one is just for you;

The argumente of the gays has nothing to do with this conversation, way to use false cause hmmm?
here's to avoid falacy's for your enjoyment:
http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1.

the more vulnerable players of the game

protect the credibility of the whole Eve community.

Will it take an event like those recent chat room bullying-suicides (and probably the subsequent closure of Eve)

CCP need to properly police and moderate (which is different to consorship) their community for the benefit of the whole community.

Very well, then what argument would CCP use to resist such demands?

I'll wait.


And wait.

Oh dear, it turns out that just calling something a fallacy doesn't make it one and you have to be able to logically demonstrate why.

Small issue is that Eve Online is not aimed at just adults but for 12+ years and above.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, section 5 (torture). 1948 (I think)

Signed by the UK, US, Canada, Iceland and many more.

Only ones who abstained were Russia and a handful of mid-eastern and European countries.

Though maybe not entirely binding it is a clear message to the world that torture is not something universally acceptable.

Federal level and regional level laws exist all over the world on this topic. Don't play coy; you know said laws exist in most of the countries where the primary EVE population plays. If you need a citation, get off your lazy butt and look for one. It is impossible to google anything on the topic without a screen full of them.

You know this is hardly true.

Erotica 1 is outrageously smart. I'm pretty sure he knows a 12yr old can't give the consent he asks for at the beginning of the audio recordings. Yes, yes you heard right.. Erotica 1 asks the "victim" for consent to record the whole thing.

My wife laughed her ass off at this one. So did my kids. Especially the part where he goes batsh*t crazy and starts smashing stuff in his room.

No, but he would. He'd have a field day if he got a young kid on comms to play his bonus room. Plenty of clips on Youtube of 12 year olds raging over video game trolls and Erotica is a special breed of troll.

Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.

Where is the sticker that say's you cannot play this game EVE if you have mental problems?
EVE is a GAME it means its meant to entertain.

The "people" involved in this didn't stop at scamming and kept going on and on and on and on in a real sociopathic way. Even when the victims wife asked them to give his stuff back they just rolled on in their despicable behavior.

What you write is not on trial here, not whether the guy should or not should have fallen for this scam but should we as a community say at some point this is enough. This has gone way too far?

Or would you rather say, gee, great job E1 &co. until someone gets driven over the edge kills him/herself, this ok behavior?

That's a fallacy.

Ok, I went and finished reading all of it. A little overblown, I believe. His writing has been taking that tone of late however.

But if he wants to make the world a better place, he needs to go volunteer at a soup kitchen. You know, real people with real suffering, not consenting adults making death threats over losing their pixels.

Yes because a 12 year would never not just say yes.....

One point for those who have said he could of just left.

E1 is using something a kin to the Prior Investment Trap. This is something used by many conman / woman in real life to trick all kinds of people out of their money.

18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.

Which should be the end of the story if people were rational.

No but sometimes there are occasions, situations which fall outside the the EULA and TOS.

Not everything in Life is black and white.

Every so often something will happen that will fall outside the EULA and TOS and which is morally wrong.

In this situation we have a person / small group of people who have taken an in game situation outside the game to circumvent the rules to a level which at best can be described as bullying.

Now yes CCP can say that since it is happening on voice comms outside of their control they can ignore it and say it is outside their control, or they can say that they find this behaviour reprehensible and do not want their game to be associated with this type of behaviour and act in what ever way they feel is appropriate.

One thing they can not do is stay silent and hope it all goes away because people like Erotic and his friends tend to keep pushing the envelope further and further and will one day no doubt one day find somebody who is vulnerable, a 12 year or somebody in a weak mental state and the result will be terrible.

A minor can't give consent, no matter how much whatever they say sounds like it.