Originally by: Samirol

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and lets face it, you aren't always able to get into blaster range.

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Originally by: Dario Wall

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If 150mm rails do so little damage to cruisers, why did Samirol and I win a 2vs3 against cruisers the other day? Like he said, most of the damage will be coming from the drones anyways...

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Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar

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Originally by: Dario Wall

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If 150mm rails do so little damage to cruisers, why did Samirol and I win a 2vs3 against cruisers the other day? Like he said, most of the damage will be coming from the drones anyways...

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what you said, makes me want to see your enemy cruisers setup...

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 06/05/2006 08:38:51
5x Heavy Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scram

1x 1600mm Plate
1x RCU
2x Energized Adaptive Nano
1x Damage Control


Main reason for this setup is it allows you to fit medium guns to make use of the ships bonus while still have a nice tank ( I know some people hate not sticking to how their ship 'should' be fitted, so to speak). Ok, it won't hold up forever as it has no repair mechanism but all it requires is a low-SP alt to log on whilst your safespotted and then remote-rep you.

Also, Damage Control is a must on Gallente ships


If you want some stats, this setup will gain you about 100 DPS (including drones on both setups) which is approximately an 80% increase in damage

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Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 06/05/2006 05:57:02
Alright, I wanted to help out some newer pirates who are looking for a cheap and effective anti-cruiser pvp setup.

5x 150mm rails

10mn MWD, 7.5 scram, 20km scram

Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener, 1600mm plate

5x Drones

I use 150mm rails because they have better damage than 125s, and lets face it, you aren't always able to get into blaster range. If you have fitting problems, 125s work great as well. Most of your DPS will come from the drones anyway.

The 10mn mwd is to get into 7.5km scrambler range fast. Many people carry 1 or 2 warp core stabilizers, and this will neutralize them.

I use 3 different armor hardeners because you never know what you are going to face. Cap skills are a must with this setup because you will run out of capacitor FAST. Don't quickly turn on your armor rep. The 1600 plate will give you easily over 5000 armor. This is helpful if you are nossed to sh!t and can't run your armor repairer.



As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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Originally by: Alzion

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Edited by: Alzion on 06/05/2006 14:34:52

Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 06/05/2006 05:57:02
Alright, I wanted to help out some newer pirates who are looking for a cheap and effective anti-cruiser pvp setup.

5x 150mm rails

10mn MWD, 7.5 scram, 20km scram

Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener, 1600mm plate

5x Drones

I use 150mm rails because they have better damage than 125s, and lets face it, you aren't always able to get into blaster range. If you have fitting problems, 125s work great as well. Most of your DPS will come from the drones anyway.

The 10mn mwd is to get into 7.5km scrambler range fast. Many people carry 1 or 2 warp core stabilizers, and this will neutralize them.

I use 3 different armor hardeners because you never know what you are going to face. Cap skills are a must with this setup because you will run out of capacitor FAST. Don't quickly turn on your armor rep. The 1600 plate will give you easily over 5000 armor. This is helpful if you are nossed to sh!t and can't run your armor repairer.



As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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Since RMR not using medium blasters on a close range Thorax setup should be a crime. If you need to have your 1600 plate use Med Electrons and a RCU, but for the love of god use medium blasters. Blasters pump out insane DPS, your drones should only be a fraction of (your total) DPS with a blaster fit.

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Originally by: Merv Tring

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With my skills, the following fits. Note that the RCU II is essential, even if all T2 items are downgraded to tech 1. AWU 5 should allow you to use all T1 with a T1 RCU. Also note that I have not flown the setup; I cannot vouch for it's effectivness.

HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 98 | 24] Heavy Electron Blaster II
> [ 98 | 24] Heavy Electron Blaster II
> [ 98 | 24] Heavy Electron Blaster II
> [ 98 | 24] Heavy Electron Blaster II
> [ 98 | 24] Heavy Electron Blaster II

MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 165 | 50] 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
> [ 1 | 40] Warp Disruptor I
> [ 1 | 25] Stasis Webifier I

LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 1 | 25] Damage Control I
> [ 0 | 16] Reactor Control Unit II
> [ 6 | 6] Small Armor Repairer II
> [ 2 | 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
> [ 500 | 30] 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates I

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Originally by: Samirol

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As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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Originally by: Dario Wall

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If 150mm rails do so little damage to cruisers, why did Samirol and I win a 2vs3 against cruisers the other day? Like he said, most of the damage will be coming from the drones anyways...

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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia

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Originally by: Samirol

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As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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I think you just ninja-kicked most thorax pvp setups in the face...

why 150mm rails if you've got a 7.5km scram?

hell, drop the damn 7.5 or 20 scram and throw on a web, then you WILL get in blaster range, because webbed targets aren't getting away unless you forget to scram.

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Originally by: Alzion

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Edited by: Alzion on 06/05/2006 14:34:52

Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 06/05/2006 05:57:02
Alright, I wanted to help out some newer pirates who are looking for a cheap and effective anti-cruiser pvp setup.

5x 150mm rails

10mn MWD, 7.5 scram, 20km scram

Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener, 1600mm plate

5x Drones

I use 150mm rails because they have better damage than 125s, and lets face it, you aren't always able to get into blaster range. If you have fitting problems, 125s work great as well. Most of your DPS will come from the drones anyway.

The 10mn mwd is to get into 7.5km scrambler range fast. Many people carry 1 or 2 warp core stabilizers, and this will neutralize them.

I use 3 different armor hardeners because you never know what you are going to face. Cap skills are a must with this setup because you will run out of capacitor FAST. Don't quickly turn on your armor rep. The 1600 plate will give you easily over 5000 armor. This is helpful if you are nossed to sh!t and can't run your armor repairer.



As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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Since RMR not using medium blasters on a close range Thorax setup should be a crime. If you need to have your 1600 plate use Med Electrons and a RCU, but for the love of god use medium blasters. Blasters pump out insane DPS, your drones should only be a fraction of (your total) DPS with a blaster fit.

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Originally by: Tuxford

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I once tried to kick my brother when I had my pants around my ankle. Probably not my brightest moments.

Originally by: Tuxford

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I once tried to kick my brother when I had my pants around my ankle. Probably not my brightest moments.

Originally by: Cordt

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HIGH-
[150/29] Anode Ion Particle Cannon I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
[150/29] Anode Ion Particle Cannon I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
[150/29] Anode Ion Particle Cannon I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
[150/29] Anode Ion Particle Cannon I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
[175/25] Medium Nosferatu I

-MID-
[150/50] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
[1/25] J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I
[1/20] 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

-LOW-
[6/6] Small Armor Repairer II
[6/6] Small Armor Repairer II
[2/30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[2/30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
[1/21] F85 Peripheral Damage Control I

This is possibly my favorite pvp setup for the Thorax, and it has served me well. It takes advantage of the bonus to the blasters, (I'll be using T2 as soon as I have the skills), the range with a 7.5k scram and med nos, and web. The low slots are my favorite part here, however.

I, personally, do not see the value in massive hitpoints with no resistances. What I like to do is have good resists on the stock armor, which is decent on a Thorax. With the resists this gives me (all above 40, all but explosive above 60), along with the little boost to shield, and pretty noticable boost to structure from the damage control, makes it a pretty survivable tank, but that's with my way of thinking in solo PVP. That being, I'll fight til I'm dead or he's dead, because anybody that has a chance against me has probably got a scrambler fitted anyway, so forget trying to run.

The two small t2 reppers, however, are a lifesaver. There are times where the burst repairing of a medium repper just doesn't help because you just won't survive to that next burst of new armor, and there are other times where you don't need to repair that much, especially at the cost of that much cap. With this, all you have to do is turn on one of the reppers if you start taking damage. If the damage overwhelms the one repper and you still have cap remaining to duke it out, turn the other repper on staggers, and they'll repair so quickly it's unbelievable because of the staggered timings, allowing you to do this in bursts.

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Originally by: Glyn Davish

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This is one of Cordts' setups from the RMR Thorax thread.

Originally by: Cordt

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OLD SETUP BLAH BLAH LOTS OF WORDS

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If you're PVPing in a 1600mm plated Thorax with small rails and you're winning or at least surviving most of your encounters then more power to you. Whatever works for you is what you should use.

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Originally by: DeathWarrior

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HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [ 212 | 29] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M]
> [ 212 | 29] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M]
> [ 212 | 29] Heavy Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid M]
> [ 10 | 15] Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]
> [ 10 | 15] Light Neutron Blaster II [80xVoid S]


MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 165 | 50] 10MN MicroWarpdrive II
> [ 1 | 24] Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I
> [ 1 | 22] Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I


LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 173 | 28] Medium Armor Repairer II
> [ 2 | 30] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
> [ 2 | 30] Energized Reactive Membrane II
> [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
> [ 0 | 2] Local Power Plant Manager: Capacity Power Relay I

With t2 valkyres.

enemy dead before you run out of cap.. cap relay is there to keep u going that lil bit longer.

copied from one of the setups that I put in the STICKIED Thorax Setups.

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Originally by: Sempra

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Dual 150s (Medium Hybrids) seem to work rather well in PVE, I think with the RAX bonus, they could be a better choice than small 150s

I could be wrong?

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Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen

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For a low sp player, I doubt there's any setup that will beat the standard 1600mm plate + rails. Once you've got good skills, a bit of experience, and some isk then my money will go on the heavy blaster setup :D

I use the following atm:
4x Heavy Ion IIs
1x Electron II

10mn MWD II
X5 Prototype web
Scrambler or disruptor of your choice

Med repairer II, cap relay, 3x Hardeners (kn/th/xp).


Although if I am to be honest, my money will definitely go on a Vexor I use:
2x Med Nos II, 1x named nos, 2x 125mm Rails
10mn AB, x5 webber, scrambler or disruptor
Med repairer II, 3x Hardeners (Kn/Th/Xp) or 3 EANMII's

T2 Valkyries or Hammerheads in the bay, with t2 Warriors for frigate defense.

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Originally by: Das Yad

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i run

H:1x med nos 5x M electron II
M: mwd , 7.5 , web
L: Damag cont , rcu , magstab , 800 plate , med rep

5x valks.

I've beaten a painting caracal solo, also 1v1'd another rax with 3x Med neutrons 2x nos a painter and 3 magstabs + 2 rcu's to fit it all i think i was at about 68% armor when he died. i've survived 5 close engagements where i've scarpered out on hull thanks to the DC, i've 1v1'd an arbi with focused med pulse II's that ended on 68% hull.

the DC buy's you the time to rep / run between them eating into your hull & rep cycles without the hull vanishing.

can also 1v1 some bs in that. was doing some testing i cant remember if i was using t1 ion's or the t2 electrons with void at the time but i was beating a dual rep poc's tank with 4 med blasters and 5 valk II's

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Originally by: Das Yad

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good point 4 guns then. I reckon a t1 setup could take out your rax. once they identify your guns its a case of focusing fire on your drones, majority of your damage gone. if you really want to be retro, just use light neutron blaster II's hardly any skill time on them outputs more damage than 150's.

But the problem is frig guns on raxes is such a retro setup they got nerfed with the mass addition and when they lost the abbility to feild 8 ogre's

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Originally by: Bailian Moxtain

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5 x Light neutron blasters t2
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1 x web
1 x scram
1 x Cap booster
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2 x hardeners
1 x 1600mm plate
1 x adaptice nano
1 x med armor rep t2

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Originally by: Bailian Moxtain

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5 x Light neutron blasters t2
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1 x web
1 x scram
1 x Cap booster
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2 x hardeners
1 x 1600mm plate
1 x adaptice nano
1 x med armor rep t2

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 06/05/2006 08:38:51
5x Heavy Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scram

1x 1600mm Plate
1x RCU
2x Energized Adaptive Nano
1x Damage Control

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Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 06/05/2006 05:57:02
Alright, I wanted to help out some newer pirates who are looking for a cheap and effective anti-cruiser pvp setup.

5x 150mm rails

10mn MWD, 7.5 scram, 20km scram

Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener, 1600mm plate

5x Drones

I use 150mm rails because they have better damage than 125s, and lets face it, you aren't always able to get into blaster range. If you have fitting problems, 125s work great as well. Most of your DPS will come from the drones anyway.

The 10mn mwd is to get into 7.5km scrambler range fast. Many people carry 1 or 2 warp core stabilizers, and this will neutralize them.

I use 3 different armor hardeners because you never know what you are going to face. Cap skills are a must with this setup because you will run out of capacitor FAST. Don't quickly turn on your armor rep. The 1600 plate will give you easily over 5000 armor. This is helpful if you are nossed to sh!t and can't run your armor repairer.



As always, use tech 2 if possible. I hope this is helpful.

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Originally by: Yarrmageddon

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 06/05/2006 08:38:51
5x Heavy Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scram

1x 1600mm Plate
1x RCU
2x Energized Adaptive Nano
1x Damage Control

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What fitting skills are needed for this setup?

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Originally by: Yarrmageddon

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 06/05/2006 08:38:51
5x Heavy Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scram

1x 1600mm Plate
1x RCU
2x Energized Adaptive Nano
1x Damage Control

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What fitting skills are needed for this setup?

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Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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I'm a newbie. I really don't see how 5 light rails and 1600mm is gonna do anything but get me killed, slowly.

QuickFit estimated DPS vs another Thorax, including drones.

5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron: 166 DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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Originally by: Samirol

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800 plates are just going to get you killed slightly slower than 400 plate setups, the 1600 is essential

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Samirol

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800 plates are just going to get you killed slightly slower than 400 plate setups, the 1600 is essential

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An 800 plate is more than enough for a thorax to survive the initial barrage and consistent drone abuse...the beauty of a 'rax is that once you're inside 10km, your average battleship and even a lot of cruisers can't really harm you (unless, of course, they're nos fitted...in which case your 1600 plate will only mean you die half as fast.)

Thorax is a big gun...its strength is its offensive output, definitely not its tanking, so it's often best to just go with that.

Which isn't to say a 1600 setup is "bad." It definitely still works, no matter what anyone here may try to say. But I, for one, am a damage *****...and I get a kick out of flying around a cruiser that has the firepower of some battleships. I would think, for a pirate, wiping out the target asap should be a priority. Heavy Electron IIs supported by a mag stab II and of course 5 medium drones will burn through a target posthaste.

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Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron : 166DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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Originally by: Marcus Alkhaar

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Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 10/05/2006 17:01:46
Edited by: Marcus Alkhaar on 10/05/2006 17:00:19

Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron : 166DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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And for us who wants to see the pure DPS vs 0.0% RES numbers

5x light 150mm rails + Antimatter: 100,4558 DPS (Railgun spec lvl 4, Javelin nerfs speed)
5x light neutron II + Void: 194,0625 DPS (Blaster spec lvl 4)
5x heavy electron II + Void M: 271,6875 DPS (Gall Cruiser 4, Blaster spec 4)
5x heavy ion II + Void M: 291,09375 DPS (Gall Cruiser 4, Blaster spec 4)
5x heavy neutron II + Void M: 310,5 DPS (Gall Cruiser 4, Blaster spec 4)

Btw, Samirol lets have a Rax on Rax, when the Test server is up, ok?
10 isk for the winner

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Originally by: Samirol

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I have an army of a trillion hamsters, and they are locked and loaded!

Linkage

Lets see the big cat take a trillion rockets of STFU!

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Originally by: Rorix Whitecloud

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heya samirol :)

about that 3v2... gf... tho you DID know what our ships were before the duel, and you brought along a racially fitted BB as your 2nd cruiser, with that BB starting at beyond any of our firing ranges :P

But still, it was a good fight, heh :)

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Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 10/05/2006 00:45:35

Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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I'm a newbie. I really don't see how 5 light rails and 1600mm is gonna do anything but get me killed, slowly.

QuickFit estimated DPS vs another Thorax, including drones.

5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron: 166 DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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They have more range. There have been some fights where the 20km disruptor was enough to keep them from warping away. They stayed at about 10km but because I had the rails, i could keep shooting it down even after I lost my drones.

Although it is slower, it works. I also have the heavy electron setup that works as well while retaining the 1600mm plate but it definitely more cap demanding than the 150mm rail setup.

All in all...the 150s are generally easier to use. If you are more comfortable with the small or med blasters, good.

800 plates are just going to get you killed slightly slower than 400 plate setups, the 1600 is essential

"Only problem is you don't have enough firepower to take out a cruiser setup for mission 2s.
A missioner will have almost the same setup except with two cap rechargers where you are using scramblers. More than likely you will be the one warping out."


Believe me...I have enough firepower to take out a missioning cruiser. The drones help a lot, and even if they go down, I will win the war of attrition.

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Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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I'm a newbie. I really don't see how 5 light rails and 1600mm is gonna do anything but get me killed, slowly.

QuickFit estimated DPS vs another Thorax, including drones.

5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron: 166 DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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Originally by: Dario Wall

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If 150mm rails do so little damage to cruisers, why did Samirol and I win a 2vs3 against cruisers the other day? Like he said, most of the damage will be coming from the drones anyways...

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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EvE is ecstatically malevolent.

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/06/2006 16:04:56

My solo setup. Always works.

4x Med NOS, 1x Heavy Neutron .
10MN MWD, 7.5k Warp Scram, Web
2x Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener
5x Hammerheads.

Lock, engage, get in range, wait until target pops.

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Originally by: Kaffeine

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...

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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EvE is ecstatically malevolent.

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Originally by: Palx

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/06/2006 16:04:56

My solo setup. Always works.

4x Med NOS, 1x Heavy Neutron .
10MN MWD, 7.5k Warp Scram, Web
2x Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener
5x Hammerheads.

Lock, engage, get in range, wait until target pops.

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zomg jenny fits a ship without stabs? :P

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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EvE is ecstatically malevolent.

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Originally by: Morrigan Starlover

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Originally by: Samirol

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Edited by: Samirol on 10/05/2006 00:45:35

Originally by: Tiberyya Za

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I'm a newbie. I really don't see how 5 light rails and 1600mm is gonna do anything but get me killed, slowly.

QuickFit estimated DPS vs another Thorax, including drones.

5x light 150mm rails: 104 DPS
5x light neutron II: 162 DPS
5x heavy electron: 166 DPS
5x heavy ion: 174 DPS
5x heavy neutron: 184 DPS

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They have more range. There have been some fights where the 20km disruptor was enough to keep them from warping away. They stayed at about 10km but because I had the rails, i could keep shooting it down even after I lost my drones.

Although it is slower, it works. I also have the heavy electron setup that works as well while retaining the 1600mm plate but it definitely more cap demanding than the 150mm rail setup.

All in all...the 150s are generally easier to use. If you are more comfortable with the small or med blasters, good.

800 plates are just going to get you killed slightly slower than 400 plate setups, the 1600 is essential

"Only problem is you don't have enough firepower to take out a cruiser setup for mission 2s.
A missioner will have almost the same setup except with two cap rechargers where you are using scramblers. More than likely you will be the one warping out."


Believe me...I have enough firepower to take out a missioning cruiser. The drones help a lot, and even if they go down, I will win the war of attrition.

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You would win the war of attrition vs a clone but with cap rechargers replacing the scramblers?
Wow explain that one plz.

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Originally by: Miss KillSome

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can u state, what range u get on yours blasters?

I've been in too many situations where enemy has web and orbiting at 10km, while my blasters did nothing..

even if u g8 camp, u run to guys, who have web fitted, u are toast in blasterax, coz u cant hit ****..

i use dual 150mm with antimmater..get around 8km optimal, always have another type of ammo in cargo..

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/06/2006 16:04:56

My solo setup. Always works.

4x Med NOS, 1x Heavy Neutron .
10MN MWD, 7.5k Warp Scram, Web
2x Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener
5x Hammerheads.

Lock, engage, get in range, wait until target pops.

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Originally by: R31D

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Main reason for this setup is it allows you to fit medium guns to make use of the ships bonus while still have a nice tank ( I know some people hate not sticking to how their ship 'should' be fitted, so to speak). Ok, it won't hold up forever as it has no repair mechanism but all it requires is a low-SP alt to log on whilst your safespotted and then remote-rep you.

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Originally by: Mysa

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5 x t2 150 w/javelin

m-warp in and lock sucker down,

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 09/05/2006 20:09:07

Originally by: Yarrmageddon

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Originally by: R31D

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Edited by: R31D on 06/05/2006 08:38:51
5x Heavy Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scram

1x 1600mm Plate
1x RCU
2x Energized Adaptive Nano
1x Damage Control

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What fitting skills are needed for this setup?

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If your using t1 equipment only, you'll need Engineering lvl5, AWU lvl4 (Electronics lvl4 I think, but you should have lvl5 anyway)


Oh, and for those that want a rep on this, drop one of the energized adaptives for a small rep

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Originally by: Guillame Herschel

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Originally by: R31D

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Main reason for this setup is it allows you to fit medium guns to make use of the ships bonus while still have a nice tank ( I know some people hate not sticking to how their ship 'should' be fitted, so to speak). Ok, it won't hold up forever as it has no repair mechanism but all it requires is a low-SP alt to log on whilst your safespotted and then remote-rep you.

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Using a second account to make up for inability to fit the desired setup does not count as "using the ship the way it was designed." Using an alt this way is the same thing as buying isk off ebay. You are leveraging resources outside the game (your wallet) to gain an advantage in-game (a second set of modules slots, or isk without risk).

/signed never uses an alt, ever

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Originally by: RoZkUrWiAtoR

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Edited by: RoZkUrWiAtoR on 09/07/2006 08:44:53
As a newbie i finally got my thorax after a few days of trial playing (which i think is one of the most beautiful ships in the game) and i started to wonder what kind of setup is the best for it (i mean which one fits my needs). I know i have to check this out for myself etc but for now i know for sure ill go for some med blasters Anyways the thing i want to ask is why no one is using shield extenders while they got no penalties?

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Originally by: RoZkUrWiAtoR

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Edited by: RoZkUrWiAtoR on 09/07/2006 09:10:37
So its all about the slots or there is another difference between shield and armor that i should know? Why its hard to use a shield on a rax?

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Originally by: Samirol

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I will last longer because of my sheer armor hp.

And a cap injector is great where you can afford to fit/give up a scrambler/webber. I don't do many duels anymore so I might as well say that I use them always in duels in a rax.

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Originally by: Rizik Agra

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Edited by: Rizik Agra on 04/08/2006 11:25:09
Edited by: Rizik Agra on 04/08/2006 11:23:32
I stopped playing EVE for a while (life is annoying), and I'd like to get more into PVP (solo to start with) when I play this time around.
Before I left, I used this blasterrax setup:

5x heavy electrons
1x web | 1x 10mn MWD | 1x cap battery
1x med armor rep | 1x adaptive nano membrane | 1x active explosive hardener | 2x cap power relay

Now, obviously, the problem with this setup is that it has no scrambler! So its a "meh" setup when in a gang. To solo, I simply trade the cap battery for a 7.5km scrambler. The problem with that is that when fighting other cruisers (even when they don't have NOS) I have a MAJOR cap problem. My cap would run out in anywhere from 15- 30 seconds, and it ends up in wtfpwnage of me when my armor rep, web, and MWD turn off. Is there a good way to fix this setup or should I go back to the drawing board and start fresh?

Edit: By the way, this was a relatively low-skill low-cost setup.

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Originally by: Rizik Agra

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My cap would run out in anywhere from 15- 30 seconds, and it ends up in wtfpwnage of me when my armor rep, web, and MWD turn off.

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Originally by: Idara

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Gonna give a T1 fitted Thorax a go tonight...

2x Heavy Neutron Blasters
3x Heavy Ion Blasters
1x 10mn MWD
1x Stasis Web
1x 20km scrammer
1x Medium armour rep
1x RCU
3x Mag Field Stabs

5x Valkyries...

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Originally by: Idara

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Gonna give a T1 fitted Thorax a go tonight...

2x Heavy Neutron Blasters
3x Heavy Ion Blasters
1x 10mn MWD
1x Stasis Web
1x 20km scrammer
1x Medium armour rep
1x RCU
3x Mag Field Stabs

5x Valkyries...

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Originally by: Idara

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Gonna give a T1 fitted Thorax a go tonight...

2x Heavy Neutron Blasters
3x Heavy Ion Blasters
1x 10mn MWD
1x Stasis Web
1x 20km scrammer
1x Medium armour rep
1x RCU
3x Mag Field Stabs

5x Valkyries...

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Originally by: Collypso

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Hi:
4 t2 light neutrons (null ammo)
1 med nos

Med:
mwd
scram
web

Low:
Damage control
1600mm plate
energized explosive resist
energized adaptive resist
med rep

5x Hammerhead I drones

This fit can take down a bc and under

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Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe

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Originally by: Collypso

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Hi:
4 t2 light neutrons (null ammo)
1 med nos

Med:
mwd
scram
web

Low:
Damage control
1600mm plate
energized explosive resist
energized adaptive resist
med rep

5x Hammerhead I drones

This fit can take down a bc and under

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You're going to have serious problems breaking the tank of any well setup BCs, let alone lasting long enough to kill it.

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Originally by: Tyler Casey

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I've taken down a couple of BC's in my Rax. Many are setup for long range battle with large guns that can't hit you if you're up close (within 2km) in a cruiser. If you can tank their drones then they will go down eventually

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Originally by: darkmito

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I use this setup for solo-pirating

Highs:
4x Light Neutron Blaster II (Antimatter)
1x Medium Nosferatu


Meds:
1x 10MN MWD
1x Webber
1x 7,5km Scrambler

Lows:
1x Medium armor repper
2x EANM
1x Armor Expl. Hardener
1x 1600mm tritanium plate

5x Hammerhead II

This will give you a nice tank with around 5k armor hp and also a good dmg output.

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Originally by: Loka

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Originally by: Idara

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Gonna give a T1 fitted Thorax a go tonight...

2x Heavy Neutron Blasters
3x Heavy Ion Blasters
1x 10mn MWD
1x Stasis Web
1x 20km scrammer
1x Medium armour rep
1x RCU
3x Mag Field Stabs

5x Valkyries...

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You will have better results with a 800mm or 1600mm plate. Big guns are for big ships. Use smaller guns and replace the RCU with a plate and you will love it.

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Originally by: Draugz

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Originally by: Loka

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Originally by: Idara

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Gonna give a T1 fitted Thorax a go tonight...

2x Heavy Neutron Blasters
3x Heavy Ion Blasters
1x 10mn MWD
1x Stasis Web
1x 20km scrammer
1x Medium armour rep
1x RCU
3x Mag Field Stabs

5x Valkyries...

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You will have better results with a 800mm or 1600mm plate. Big guns are for big ships. Use smaller guns and replace the RCU with a plate and you will love it.

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x2 Heavy Neutron T2
x2 Heavy Ion T2
x1 Named Nos

x1 web
x1 mwd
x1 scrambler

x2 Magstab T2
x2 Hardeners (Kin&Therm)
x1 Damage Control

I say the exact oposite, ate a plate thorax earlier

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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Cheap rax setup:
5x whatever light blasters you can afford

10mn MWD
1 7.5k 2point scram
1 webber

1 med armor rep
2 EANM
1 DCU
1 1600mn plate

5x med scout drones

Buy whatever is available in your area and fits in your budget.

Cons of this setup:
You gotta get in web range (10km) to stand a chance of killing anything.
Even with mid range cap skills your cap disapears reallllly fast.

Pros:
Drones and guns combine for a very very high dps
1600mn palte means that you can out tank most other cruisers.

Now if you have decent skills and some isk to spare (25m) upgrade to t2 light neuts with void, t2 drones and a t2 repper. Earlier today I was fighting a player ferox and was doing around 60-100 per hit with my guns with a wrecking of 147. Frigs and other cruisers simply fold flat under this kind of a barrage and your tank is still as solid as ever.

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Originally by: Dethis

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Tbh though vexor fills this role alot better then the thorax

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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Originally by: Dethis

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Tbh though vexor fills this role alot better then the thorax

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You know except for the lack of an mwd bonus, a missing low slot, a weaker default tank, 1 less turret point, less pg and cpu, and a slower top speed I think you may be right! /end sarcasam

Vexor is a drone boat that if it happens to wander in range it helps out whith its own weapons while drones do most of the work.

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Originally by: N1NJ4

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5 x Heavy Electron II

1 x 10mn mwd
1 x web
1x 20km scram

1 x Med Armor Rep II
1 x 800mm plate II
1 x EANM II
1 x damage control
1 x Magnetic Field Stab. II

5 x Valkyrie II

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Originally by: Cmdr Sy

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Originally by: N1NJ4

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5 x Heavy Electron II

1 x 10mn mwd
1 x web
1x 20km scram

1 x Med Armor Rep II
1 x 800mm plate II
1 x EANM II
1 x damage control
1 x Magnetic Field Stab. II

5 x Valkyrie II

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Virtually identical to what I worked out - only difference is I was planning to use a 7.5km scrambler, and a crystalline carbonide plate instead of T2 steel.

However, I was also considering switching out the damage mod for a Magnetometric Backup Array II. This lifts the Thorax's sensor strength to that of a Dominix, and makes it a bit more resistant to people who fit a single multispec as a w1n button.

Anyone feel this is worth doing, adding 48% sensor strength, or should I stick with my 10% extra RoF and damage?

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Originally by: Sebastian Skullcrusher

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Edited by: Sebastian Skullcrusher on 01/10/2006 14:55:42
I'm in the "smaller guns, bigger tank" camp when it comes to fitting a Thorax- especially for newer players, like myself, who haven't necessarily trained T2 mediums yet. Compared to the vast increase in PG usage, medium electrons don't provide a proportional increase in damage. Moreover, interceptors are an absolute nightmare with bigger guns; whereas with smaller blasters, you'll be popping T2 frigates worth a few times the value of your Thorax, and easily, depending on the intelligence of the pilot.

Thus my setup:

Hi:

Small Neutron T2 * 4 (T1 is good enough)
Medium Nos (Can be a godsend if your enemy runs out of cap at the right moment, like when you're into low structure, or when you almost run out of cap at the end of a tough fight- this happens surprisingly often too, I'll tell you...)

Med:

Webifier (dur)
Scram (double-dur)
10MN MWD

Low:

1600mm Rolled Tungsten (if on the cheap, go for CC instead)
Passive Thermal hardener
Passive Kinetic hardener
Passive Explosive hardener
Small Armor Rep II (easy to train for, no level V's involved :D)

Drones:

Hammerheads (I can't use T2 drones yet, but obviously, if you can, go for it!)


With this setup, you still have around 100MW to potentially spend. I feel bad having so much spare, but it's a damn good setup and I really can't think of much to improve it.

(PS: this setup is quite flexible. In my opinion it's best of all in 1v1 PVP, or ratting. If you live in a region of 0.0 where a lot PvP is against T2 frigates, it kicks ass pretty hard)

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Originally by: Xasz

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How about..

5x Electron t1 [AM ammo]

1x 10mn MWD
1x 7.5k Scram
1x Webber

1x 1600mm plate
1x MFS
1x RCU
2x Small Repper t2

3x Hammerhead, 2x Valkyrie

Everything except the reppers are t1, runs fine for me... criticism is welcomed

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Originally by: Samirol

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Originally by: Xasz

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How about..

5x Electron t1 [AM ammo]

1x 10mn MWD
1x 7.5k Scram
1x Webber

1x 1600mm plate
1x MFS
1x RCU
2x Small Repper t2

3x Hammerhead, 2x Valkyrie

Everything except the reppers are t1, runs fine for me... criticism is welcomed

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I would replace one of the SAR IIs with resistance, the SARII is just for repairing afterwards mainly

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Originally by: Azuse

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You do realise there is far more than combat drones under the drones tab don't you?

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Quote:

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if they aren't smurf they die.

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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss

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My ridiculous fitting at our last corp cruiser PVP tournament caught a few by surprise...I'm not saying it'd be good for piracy, but it worked for me. Favourite moment was closing on a long range caracal laughing at his puny damage output leaving only the tinyest dent in the armour... :)

1 M Neutralizer
2 S NOS
2 S Ion blasters

MWD
Web (any)
Scramble (any)

1 M Repper
1 RCU
1600mm plate
400mm plate
1 cap relay

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Originally by: Pinky Denmark

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Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/06/2006 16:04:56

My solo setup. Always works.

4x Med NOS, 1x Heavy Neutron .
10MN MWD, 7.5k Warp Scram, Web
2x Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener
5x Hammerheads.

Lock, engage, get in range, wait until target pops.

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 16/11/2006 16:09:52

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/06/2006 16:04:56

My solo setup. Always works.

4x Med NOS, 1x Heavy Neutron .
10MN MWD, 7.5k Warp Scram, Web
2x Medium Armor Repper, Active Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive Hardener
5x Hammerheads.

Lock, engage, get in range, wait until target pops.

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Just trying to get this to fit in Quick Fit.
My skills arnt great but in about 150 short of pg alone and thats assuming that blaster is small. What Whats the secret?

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Originally by: benzss

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Edited by: benzss on 08/01/2007 15:45:39
I found this to be useful, particularly for its survivability and ability to tie an opponent down, and it's an efficient fit if your character isn't of particularly high skill:

Thorax

Heavy Ion Blaster I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
Heavy Ion Blaster I [120xAntimatter Charge M]
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I [200xAntimatter Charge M]
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I [200xAntimatter Charge M]
Medium Nosferatu I

Medium Shield Booster I or a Warp Scrambler
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I

Reactor Control Unit I
800mm Reinforced Crystalline Carbonide Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Small Armor Repairer I

Vespa I
Vespa I
Vespa I
Vespa I
Vespa I

it strikes a balance, 'though some might say that it isn't specific enough; so this is just a general setup.

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Originally by: Kaiene

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Would anyone have any idea's of how to turn this into some sort of PvP support ship or would you suggest a completely different ship? I like the idea of being in support as I hav'nt done any PvP before and I think it will be a nice insight.

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Originally by: Kano Sekor

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I see some people posting set ups using AB:s instead of MWD:s i dont get why and wont this be bad cause youre not using the Thorax:s bonus f÷r mwds?

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Originally by: Gallentis III

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Edited by: Gallentis III on 18/02/2007 12:02:20
Hi, Fairly new to eve but running a nice ThoraxI am confused between MWD and AB II
which would be better and why please?

5 x 150mm rails I

1 x 10MN AB II
Tracking Computer

Med Armor Rep II
800mm reinforced rolled tungsten plates I
Reactor control unit I
Damage control I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

Any help on above would be appreciated.
I know i am missing a fitting on 1 medium slot i maybe using a statis webifier today.

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Gallentis III

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Edited by: Gallentis III on 18/02/2007 12:02:20
Hi, Fairly new to eve but running a nice ThoraxI am confused between MWD and AB II
which would be better and why please?

5 x 150mm rails I

1 x 10MN AB II
Tracking Computer

Med Armor Rep II
800mm reinforced rolled tungsten plates I
Reactor control unit I
Damage control I
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

Any help on above would be appreciated.
I know i am missing a fitting on 1 medium slot i maybe using a statis webifier today.

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Afterburners give a small speed boost for a small amount of cap (comparitivly) and there are no downsides. However MWDs have massive cap ussage but give a massive speed boost but make you easier to hit.

ABs are good for staying out of range with a rails setup so you should be fine with an AB.

However you *nead* a warp disruptor on there cause this is a PvP thread. With decent enough skills that tracking comp is a waste of a slot, prehaps put a web in there or even a cap inecjtor.

The lows are all fine apart from the Nano Fibre which is a waste of a slot, try a damage mod or annother tank mod in there instead.

Hope this helps

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Originally by: Shiv Ertai

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Another alternative based off the first ship is:

5x 150mm railguns

mwd
20k scram
cap injector (800s)

mar
1600mm plate
2x istab
1x nanofiber

5x hammerheads
(unless killing caldari lowsec ratters when you want to pwn their 0% em resists with infiltrators )

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Originally by: Samirol

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Originally by: Shiv Ertai

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Another alternative based off the first ship is:

5x 150mm railguns

mwd
20k scram
cap injector (800s)

mar
1600mm plate
2x istab
1x nanofiber

5x hammerheads
(unless killing caldari lowsec ratters when you want to pwn their 0% em resists with infiltrators )

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nanogunships are absolute crap IMO...

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Originally by: High Sierra

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note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.

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Originally by: High Sierra

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note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.

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Originally by: uberjun3n

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Edited by: uberjun3n on 11/03/2007 10:41:09
literaly, it pains me to read most of these kits, if u want a drone ship with a plate
FLY A VEXOR they get a massive bonus to drones

a rax is not a noob ship, the skills required to make it work are insane. But if u get it right it can rape, ANYTHING.
Even post revelation gank > tank, if u are good enough they will still be wondering who attacked them as they respawn in a shiny new body.
Therefore:
4 X T2 ion blaster
1 X Med nos

1 X Mwd (if u fly a rax, fly it fast, u dont see people tanking stabbers)
1 X Web
1 X warp diruptor (fit a scram if u want, but how often do u warp to within 7.5km of some1?)

1 x T2 Med armour rep
1 X t2 rcu
1 X damage control
2 x assorted mods, (whatever u want, i generaly go for exp hardener and an adaptive nano or a power diag)

this is the bones, switch mods for named ones as much as u want, MAKE IT SHINIER!!!

Now some1 will come on and say- plates ftw!! dps is not a requirement...
well, in this ship i have solo'd a myrmidon and broken the tank of a fully passive t2 drake. but honestly, i have not lost a 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 in this ship, and although some people go pirating in big groups only the saying goes:
pirating is like sex more fun with 2 people but u do it more on your own

anyway, as food for thought would u rather have fun with an awesome gank ship and lose it occasionaly, or noob around in a slow hippo like thing, not ever killing anything cos u cant break their tank? (by that i mean boring pvp) no offence but if u are fitting rails, u should be missioning. and if u want to use drones the vexor is the own

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Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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Pure T1 Setup
[High]
5x Heavy Electron Blaster I [Thorium Charge M]
[Med]
1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
1x Warp Disruptors
1x Statis Webifier
[Low]
1x Medium Armor Repairer I
1x 800mm Reinforced Steel Plate I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
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Any votes on this setup?

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Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 01/04/2007 21:14:13

Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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Pure T1 Setup
[High]
5x Heavy Electron Blaster I [Thorium Charge M]
[Med]
1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
1x Warp Disruptors
1x Statis Webifier
[Low]
1x Medium Armor Repairer I
1x 800mm Reinforced Steel Plate I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
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Any votes on this setup?

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Heavy Electron Blaster I
DMG Modifier : 1.75x
Rate of Fire : 3.00sec
Optimal Range: 2000m
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DMG Modifier : 1.75 * 1.20(Med Hybrid IV) * 1.12(Surgical Strike) * 1.20(Cruiser IV) * 1.07(Mag Stab)= ~3.02x(round up)
Rate of Fire : 3.00 * 0.90(Gunner V) * 0.84(Rapid Fire IV) * 0.925(Mag Stab) = ~2.10(round down)
Optital Range: 2000m * 1.20(SharpShooter IV) = 2400m
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Heavy Electron Blaster I(skilled)
DMG Modifier : 3.02x * 32.0(Thorium) = 96.64
Rate of Fire : 2.10sec
Optimal Range: 2400m * .875(Thorium) = 2100m
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96.64dmg / 2.10sec = ~46.02DPS(round up)

46.02 * 5 = 230.1 DPS * 0.4(60% resistance) = 92.04 True DPS
96.64 * 5 = 483.2 Alpha * 0.4(60% resistance) = 193.28 True Alpha
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I didn't add in drone skills as this is a basic setup because that would add in alot of more but this is the cheapest one i found. Goos dps and true dps as well.

[Edit]
If you remove the mag stab and put in a DC you lose about 12 true DPS but increase shield 7.5%, armor 10% and hull 50%, letting you then last longer.

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Originally by: Darkopteron

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This has been a very sucessful setup for me:

High
5x Light Neutrons + Antimatter S

Mid
1x 20k Disruptor
1x Med Cap Booster + Cap Booster 800's
1x 10mn MWD

Low
1x EANM
1x Energized Reactive
1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten
1x RCU
1x Best MAR

Drones
5x Hammerhead I

I'm pleased to say I defeated a Myrmidon (1 month old) with this setup, which for a rookie pirate like myself, was close, and a huge adrenaline rush.

I'm considering removing my MWD (and as a result the RCU), replacing them with a 10mn AB and another EANM - this would give me better resists - but would it be best to switch to 150mm rails for this?

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Originally by: Multimedia Carl

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Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 01/04/2007 21:14:13

Originally by: Vincent Almasy

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Pure T1 Setup
[High]
5x Heavy Electron Blaster I [Thorium Charge M]
[Med]
1x 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
1x Warp Disruptors
1x Statis Webifier
[Low]
1x Medium Armor Repairer I
1x 800mm Reinforced Steel Plate I
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
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Any votes on this setup?

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Heavy Electron Blaster I
DMG Modifier : 1.75x
Rate of Fire : 3.00sec
Optimal Range: 2000m
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DMG Modifier : 1.75 * 1.20(Med Hybrid IV) * 1.12(Surgical Strike) * 1.20(Cruiser IV) * 1.07(Mag Stab)= ~3.02x(round up)
Rate of Fire : 3.00 * 0.90(Gunner V) * 0.84(Rapid Fire IV) * 0.925(Mag Stab) = ~2.10(round down)
Optital Range: 2000m * 1.20(SharpShooter IV) = 2400m
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Heavy Electron Blaster I(skilled)
DMG Modifier : 3.02x * 32.0(Thorium) = 96.64
Rate of Fire : 2.10sec
Optimal Range: 2400m * .875(Thorium) = 2100m
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96.64dmg / 2.10sec = ~46.02DPS(round up)

46.02 * 5 = 230.1 DPS * 0.4(60% resistance) = 92.04 True DPS
96.64 * 5 = 483.2 Alpha * 0.4(60% resistance) = 193.28 True Alpha
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I didn't add in drone skills as this is a basic setup because that would add in alot of more but this is the cheapest one i found. Goos dps and true dps as well.

[Edit]
If you remove the mag stab and put in a DC you lose about 12 true DPS but increase shield 7.5%, armor 10% and hull 50%, letting you then last longer.

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Removing the Mag Stab and fitting Drones should help the dmg, that you loose removing the Magstab? right?

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