Would the Bhaalgorn receive an additional low slot - or would this come at the expense of a mid or high slot?

About the same price as a Rattlesnake, which is also a hybrid weapons system. The scanning bonuses are really moot; the logistics would offer more in a dual shield-armor role.

[quote=Laiannah Sahireen] ...Unfortunately this is not the case for the Nestor; there are faster and more agile ships, better scanning platforms, better logistic platforms and quite frank, ships with better DPS projection and tank.

Time to speculate about Pirate battleships since this is going around in circles...

GÇó Machariel ... 3.0 AU/s warp speed confirmed, but does it finally get the 8th missing turret?
GÇó Nightmare ... Almost certainly to get the afterburner bonus and bump to laser damage.
GÇó Vindicator ... Probably no changes (we hope).
GÇó Bhalgorn ... Infinite Energy Vampire.
GÇó Rattlesnake ... +50% thermal/kinetic missile damage (loses missile velocity bonus), bandwidth reduced to 50mbit and gets a big +% bonus to heavy and sentry drone durability and hit points, and a bonus to heavy drone speed
GÇó Nestor ... Covert Ops cloak!

He has already addressed most the issues that were raised. We just need to get them on Singularity now and provide some proper feedback in my opinion. Obviously if you are wishing for him to completely revert the Gurista drone changes, then we are going to be waiting a long time, as basically it isn't going to happen.

Why do you ******* devs feel the need to change anything about Gallente. The best part about missiles is the ease of being versatile in damage types. We spend years training these ships because we like what they do and you change them to be "new and exciting?" **** you.

For those of you are interested, i have some paper values of "regular fitting(s)"

these fits assume no implants / boosts / drugs or bananas

RLM fit.

[Gila Post patch, pvp]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II (x3)

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Drone Navigation Computer II (eg of mid drone mod use)
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile (x4)
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hammerhead II x2 (after the done changes these will be going 3 276m/s with the drone navi mod and 2 520 with out)

this fit has 2 CPU and <3 grid spair
DPS: 790~ (170 missls / 620 drones) all lvl 5 skills could push this to 800 easy
Tank: 52 000~ EHP Buffer (12 700 shield HP / EM:64 TH:61 KI:71 EX:75) passive 100 DPS regen
Speed: 1.75km/s
Targeting: 72.5km / 344 scan res

fits with HAMs and HMLs don't change the DPS much the main meat is the drones of course
fitting HAMs or HMLs will require CPU rig as well as the loss of the med nos and slight drop in tank.

Gila changes make me sad.

Forcing ships into ultra specific niche is just awful.

I mean, Gila was an excellent ship in many situation before. It was a decent small gang ship, excellent in WH's for clearing certain sites, was a poor mans Ishtar for someone unable to fly them yet in Ishtar gangs.

And now... Ew. Medium drones are incredibly poor PvP above a few people, It can't field a single heavy or sentry drone, and not even a full flight of smalls, and those would be unbonused.

Will be easily kited to death by a t1 frigate able to outrun slow mediums, and a 500% bonus to drone HP won't save them if a cruiser sized hull decides to pop drones. 4x the health of paper is still paper. And when one pops, you lose the vast majority of your dps.


Just ew. Bleeeh. Need to go sell my WH site fit Gila to people who don't read dev blogs before summer hits.

I honestly don't know what you have against the Guristas ships...

Well I will simply never use my gila again.

Edit : I don't ever use my gila it's so bad already. I guess I'll just continue to never use my gila.

Good work as ever (SARCASM)

Edit : Concerns over Gila

1. Far less damage
2. Inability to use sentry drones.
3. Removal of all shield tanking sentry ships (cruiser class) from the game.
4. Massive lack of adaptability.
5. Un-bonused light drones.

In short - You have nerfed the gila, which was admittedly already one of the worst pirate cruisers.

Part of the problem with the Nestor is the price.
The other part of the problem, unfortunately, is that people would rather whine about it not being exactly what they want than actually look for interesting ways to use it. This isn't a dig at you, by the way, just the way the community is treating the ship.

Rattlesnake
GÇó Loses one high slot in lieu of an extra low slot
GÇó Gallente: 10% bonus to heavy drone hitpoints, velocity and damage
GÇó Caldari: 10% bonus to kinetic and thermal missile damage
GÇó Role Bonus: 4% bonus to all shield resistances
(and yes, I assigned the bonuses in a way that racially makes a lot more sense)

Yeah..thats bad. For starters, you moved the resistance to a flat role bonus, without adjusting the percentage.

How have these concerns not been addressed in 40+ pages.

Is there anyone who actually use a gila who wants these ridiculous changes that make Guristas have extreme niche application?

3 things.

1. CCP have correctly stated they want to tie drone bonuses to the role bonus, so that players can use them effectively off the bat.
2. Your iteration actually is a nerf to the current Rattler, since you remove bonuses from med, scout and sentry drones, just to add a speed bonus to heavies.
3. The amount of equivalent heavies on the field (7.5) is the same as all other drone boats. It adds nothing new and it breaks the worm/gila re-balance focus.

So, the bonus is going to be a big % bonus to heavies (and maybe sentries) EHP and Damage. The bandwidth will be 50, with the drone bay maybe at 200. If sentries are not bonused in the hull, we might see a tracking or speed bonus for the heavies.

Enough theorycrafting though, we will know soon..C:

Yes, because it makes so much sense from a lore standpoint to extend the Gurista ships a Gallente-based missile bonus...

The great thing about this forum is you can block a**holes.

I'm a bit concerned about role bonus instead of per-level bonus.

With new stats we can take Gila and like one week char - he could dish out a lot of DPS with quite a EHP. And take several of those and drone assist.

Also those tech 1 drones buffs.

no

any sane pilot using a gila, and any pilot actually having an idea on how this game is played is against......
in fact it is another brainfart from a dev that will be pushed down our throat....again, like the exploration was, like the univentory, like the XX nerf before....

i'd be a ccp office i'd punch him for proposing and pushing such updates without having the slightest idea on how to play the game.

CCP rise right now: http://unimelbadventures.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/mr-bean-lab-meme-generator-no-idea-what-i-m-doing-please-don-t-explode-52f2b2.jpg

[quote=Arthur Aihaken]Time to speculate about Pirate battleships since this is going around in circles...


- Nestor - No way will it get a cov ops cloak and probably won't be touched by this balance pass. Devs have previously stated that if ANY BS ever gets a covops cloak, it will be the T2 Black Ops battleships who will be first in line. Honestly, Nestor is a solid ship now, just too expensive to see widespread use.