I've got a better ideaGǪ Since the Gurista ships now grant a Gallente missile bonus, let's just drop the drones and make these missile boats. Give them another 2 launchers and a +50% missile velocity role bonus. I would then welcome our new Gurista overlords...

not sure if the code can support this change but why not limit gurista ships to just 2 hardcapped drones launched ie
worm - 2 lights
gila - 2 lights or 2 meds
rattler - 2 lights or 2 meds or 2 heavys
wouldn't that fix most of the complains ?

and secondly nope you cant rework guri ships to your dream missle pirate faction

To those of you who keep saying a drone boat that can use all the drones is overlapping the Ishtar (that includes you DEVs), I say a drone boat that can use all the drones does not an overlap make.

It's a drone boat, a Guristas, missile slinging brick ****house of a shield-tanking drone boat. It should be able to use all the drones just as effectively as any other drone boat.

Just because a Vigilant uses medium hybrid turrets, that doesn't mean it "overlaps" the Deimos, and so we should give it one gun that does 1000% more damage to make it different.

Subtle differences in ships are difference enough for me. I never called for anyone to change the Ishtar because it's too close in capability to the Gila, even though it's often considered "superior." How would you like to see the Ishtar lose access to sentry drones and full flights of... anything?

Why should I have to roll over and be either forced into a different role or told to 'please consider another option, thanks!' other than my favorite ship.

Well I currently rat with 2 Gila and one Rattlesnake utilizing 15 sentry drones. I guess that's out of the window now

I also say that it would not be difficult at all to make the Gila capable of the role CCP is currently pushing on it (medium drone specialist) without limiting it to that role alone. I usually refrain from posting numbers, because I'm not a developer, but just as an example:

Caldari Cruiser:
4% to all shield resistance

Gallente Cruiser:
10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints

Role Bonus:
50% bonus to medium drone damage and hitpoints
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Drones (bandwidth / bay) 50 / 200

The above bonuses fit the racial specializations better, smooth the skillpoint curve of the ship between its weapon systems, and allow specialization in medium drones without limiting versatility as much as the current changes. My numbers may not be prefect, but I would much rather see the Guristas go in this direction than in the (currently proposed) very limited one.

Role Bonus:
25% Kinetic and Thermal missile damage

Can't say as I'm a big fan of cutting this in half.

Give me 5 medium drones with 100% damage and hitpoint bonus and the ability to use light drones (ecm, logi). Yep I'll take a cut in missile dps. I would rather have a drone boat with versatile and strong drones than a halfassed, niche drone boat with missiles.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad idea (other than the hit to missiles), but as the Gila is following in the footsteps of the Worm - and there's been almost no dev response to those drone changes - realistically, how likely is it that we'll see any improvements or radical changes to the Gila's drone attributes? For that matter, how often have we seen any serious design changes once they've been tabled for 'feedback'? I think if you have your heart set on a hybrid Gila you might be setting yourself up for disappointment...

I agree there is little to no hope of change at this stage.
Which is the reason for my starting a previous post with - DAMN IT, this is a good idea.

Don't be so obtuse.

They can be fairly easily inferred from the cruiser changes. The Vindi stays the same, probably loses some grid. The Bhaalgorn gets a web range bonus (which will be beyond evil) and probably also loses some grid, the Machariel gets *** *****, the Nightmare will be a jumbled mix of concepts, and the Nestor is still the worst ship in the game.

All we are waiting for now are the particulars. And they've already told us we'll be waiting for a while.

But whether you agree or disagree with the design philosophy being put into place so far, this the cruiser thread. So stay on topic and talk about the cruisers.

Is pure lip service, time and again he has shown he is not interested in any feedback unless it agrees with his position.

PS; I know Rise is not solely responsible for these changes but as with anyone who takes on the role of spokesperson for something, he is publicly responsible. A good designer he may be, dealing with "paying" public is another thing entirely.
Quite simply CCP Rise, step back and let someone else interact in the forums on your teams behalf - Continually showing such a lack of respect for players is not good. Oh and simply ignoring something only shows a lack of professionalism..


CCP may own the rights to EveOnline but really, it belongs to its players, don't keep trying to turn us into mushrooms

not even close.

Thats what doesn't make sense. The Guristas are ALREADY unique, being the only shield-tanked missile and drone boats in the game.

We didn't spend 3 years maxing out the skills to fly a rattlesnake for you incompetent devs to change them to be "new and exciting".

Please, pull your head out of your assholes before you needlessly make a lot of people angry.

Ok....... So...... Battleships.......

...Where are they.

Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus? It's totally out of line. Drop that bonus to the caldari side, make gallente bonus involve drone bonus, like drone navigation or tracking bonus. Seriously, gallente having a missile damage bonus, really?

Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus?

Haven't you heard? Some Gallente ships are going to be overhauled with missile launchers instead of hybrid turretsGǪ

It's the start of the weekGǪ Just saying...

Please just shut up already

It's the start of the weekGǪ Just saying...

Another recipient of the block feature. Yes, it's the start of the week - as in an anticipated dev update. Which could very well apply to the Pirate cruisers thread - except everyone's ecstatic with the changes (particularly the Gila and Vigilant).

18.9 billion ISK Raven... just saying...

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Going to defend him slightly here. You're incorrect in saying it's pure lip service. They did slightly roll back the Cynabal nerf while throwing it a miniscule bone (warp speed is cool!). It may be mostly lip service, but not quite pure.

Still the thing bugging me the most in this thread is people still being incapable of adding 500% drone damage and hitpoints and instead assuming 500% drone damage and hitpoints. It's the difference between 10 and 12 effective drones, people. Get it right. (same issue in the frigates thread with the Worm.)

I'd be alright with instead of more bandwidth, a 100% bonus to light drone damage and hitpoints giving it the option of using light drones at least on par with its peers (very slightly better than every other drone bonused ship using lights), and on par with its smaller brother, the Worm. 8 effective lights give it a bit more of an ability to react while still being far from the wrecking machine the 12 mediums will be in point blank.

And really people, asking for +drone bonuses? Yes, they're unique. But if you looked at the Dev blog they're doing pretty much everything in their power to reduce the number of drones possible on field, not increase them. They halved the number of fighters/fighter bombers in MOMs by doubling bonuses, why would they increase the number of drones a far cheaper and slightly more (less in this day and age?) common subcap can use?

Question on the Gila regarding the Gallente cruiser bonus - how the hell did the gallente side of the ship managed to received a missile damage bonus? It's totally out of line. Drop that bonus to the caldari side, make gallente bonus involve drone bonus, like drone navigation or tracking bonus. Seriously, gallente having a missile damage bonus, really?

as much as i agree with you... ccp got other plans...

though a bonus to tracking and speed would be awesome.