i see the NM has been left with its poor agility for release :( ... how can you expect them too take full advantage of using the AB bonus??

i see the NM has been left with its poor agility for release :( ... how can you expect them too take full advantage of using the AB bonus??

Turn off the AB when you need better agility.

i see the NM has been left with its poor agility for release :( ... how can you expect them too take full advantage of using the AB bonus??

After some thinking and messing with eft I think vindicator bonuses must change.The range for webbers is too low so getting effectiveness bonuses is not right.I would prefer bonus to range of webbers or/and some better fall off /optimal to weapons so you are able to use neutron blaster cannons really effective.I think from the changes and compared to machariel,rattlesnake ,nightmare is the only ship that will stay really behind and won t be as good as them.

For the Vindicator, if you're worried about range I would make sure to use a faction web. It's pricetag justifies the increased price of a faction module, especially a web.

I think True Sansha is the best. You can overheat it to get close to 20km range.

But please, oh please do not start the "I hate bonused webs!" thing again.

I have nothing against bonused webs, but I do have something against a single strength bonused web beeing stronger than 4 unbonused.

the range on some faction webs are clearly OP ... 15km .. come on..

That's what bonused webs are, so don't try and be disingenuous about it. You do have a problem with bonused webs.

That argument has been made, and then some. Nevermind that it's pure hyperbole.

CCP's answer is "too bad, it stays". It's even hit the patch notes, for that matter, it's not changing now.

So can we please knock off the tearful advocacy in this thread already?

There are no good reason to have so strong bonus on webs, if Vindi NEED 90% webs to be usefull there i NO other battleship thats usable with hybrids! It already have to strongest dmg bonus (not counting "marauder" 4guns/100% dmg) on 8 turrets along with the strongest tracking bonus.

Vindicater keeping 90% web strenght is just another case of devs not playing the game they try to balance...

No one said any of those things.

It has a 90% web because it's a pirate ship, and that is it's unique niche. That's what pirate ships do.

This is just another example of people thinking their personal experience with something is the defining experience for everyone else too. But it's not. Unlike you, CCP has the math, and they made their choice. If it were anywhere close to as overpowered as people would like to claim, it would have more of an effect than it really does.

If the Vindi was introduced today, without the web bonus 99% of the people advocating to keep the web strenght would come in the pants for this new powerfull ship. Its the highest DPS subcap ship, its only 1 ship that does more dps and can still dock, even those (dread) need to be siege to do more than 50% of the dps a Vindi does.

If the Vindi was introduced today, without the web bonus 99% of the people advocating to keep the web strenght would come in the pants for this new powerfull ship. Its the highest DPS subcap ship, its only 1 ship that does more dps and can still dock, even those (dread) need to be siege to do more than dps than a Vindi does.

It's the 2nd most. TFI's do more paper DPS. (It's a bit harder to apply the damage though.)

T2 weapons+faction dmg mods (t2 for drones), and i somehow have Vindi 300ish DPS above

Kronos Rattlesnake with Torps and Heavy Drones. Granted, there are fitting, damage application, and damage projection issues to consider.

Kronos Rattlesnake with Torps and Heavy Drones. Granted, there are fitting, damage application, and damage projection issues to consider.

edit: Whoops, Vindi is still on top if you add drone DDAs.

Lol, this is educational, I have to say.

I wonder what other lol fits we can conjure up?

Lol, this is educational, I have to say.

I wonder what other lol fits we can conjure up?

There are no good reason to have so strong bonus on webs, if Vindi NEED 90% webs to be usefull there i NO other battleship thats usable with hybrids! It already have to strongest dmg bonus (not counting "marauder" 4guns/100% dmg) on 8 turrets along with the strongest tracking bonus.

Vindicater keeping 90% web strenght is just another case of devs not playing the game they try to balance...

It is perfectly balanced.

realistically the webs are only a threat from 20km at most and you have to remember the ship is using large blasters. This ship is ment to be the most dangerous in your face brawler isk can buy. The best counter is to simply keep range. Oddly enough it is at its most fearsome when sheild fit.

Indeed..

It kills anything within 20km.. and can do nothing about anything beyond that.. It's also neut sensitive.. So there are lots of counters..

It will be OP when swarms of Vindi's are killing everything in low and nullsec :p But they aren't.. they are useful only in some situations, fewer yet where it is isk efficient to commit **** an expensive ship. But it's no more OP than a Mach always being able to dictate range, a Bhaal killing your cap, or anything else. It's just powerful, but not the end of Eve.