Lol, this is educational, I have to say.

I wonder what other lol fits we can conjure up?

Well, I am looking into anom ships at the moment for guristas space. Getting frigate warps speeds out of battleships is rather easy so that will help with the time spent in warp. Right now its a battle between the vindi and the mack. Right now I am gravitating towards a shield vindi with both mags and drone damage with a single web. I think I can even get away with just putting a shield buffer on.

I am also tempted with testing a rail vindi for level 3s to try and beat that 80 mil/hr mack

Why not a Rattlesnake instead of a Vindi? TPs are effectively long range webs. Proper shield tank. Pure kinetic damage bonus. No falloff and range isn't an issue with cruise, plus T1/T2 ammo variability.


You mean mach, right? Please, tell me you mean mach.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/giving-drones-an-assist/#Range

New update to the drone changes, which are pertinent to the Rattlesnake.

i honnestly asking myself ,how will perform a three rigged warspeed mach in lvl 4 ? i came with a pretty decent fit last night i had to remove a TE for a navy comp but it doesn't look too bad :) And with an ascendancy high grade + a 615 this little rascal is damn fast for a bs hull

I would go with two T2 warp speed rigs on it and use the last slot for something else.

well currently the fit is planned to go with 3 xt2 warpspeed rigs + ascendancy high grade giving me 6 au/s currently probably a lit bit more than 7au/s after the patch .
Maybe i could swap one for a polycarbon or CCC

From the point of view of someone, that most of the time uses drones only and missiles only when irritated:

With lower drone damage bonus than other Gurista's ships, the new Rattlesnake is going to suffer from dealing less damage to cruisers and frigates, than old Rattlesnake did and especially against frigates I don't see kinetic and thermal bonus to missiles, plus 5th missile launcher is going help much. So that's a nerf. Plus sentries would have less range if you want to use 5th launcher and everyone knows how we (not) love launchers when sniping.

So let's do something special to make Rattlesnake awesome by adding a special rule (like special rule for Energy Vampires when fitted on Bloodriders ships) and allow Rattlesnake to field as many drones, as it's bandwidth allows. So that would make 10 light, 5 medium, 2 heavy and 2 sentry drones.

Joke: add a rule for Geko, that it requires 50% less bandwidth when used by a Gurista's ship (so that would apply to Rattlesnake only). Who wuld use Geko's for pvp anyway? They will die out soon, like Golden Magnate did ;). Unless I don't know about something?

good changes :D RATTLESNAKEEEE

You should test this ship on sisi. It has few issues with frigates and none with cruisers. Its range is also not bad and is on par with other battleships. It slots in nicely for close to mid range.

I admit, I didn't test it yet, but just looking at the stats it's weaker than the old/current Rattlesnake against Cruisers and Frigates. Maybe a BS should do well against a BS and less well against smaller vessels, but still I have a feeling that other pirate BSs where buffed, or remained awesome and just Rattlesnake got a mixed approach.

Edit.: Then how about adding drone tracking speed bonus? That would be fair :)

The Bhaalgorn got arguably nerfed

I admit, I didn't test it yet, but just looking at the stats it's weaker than the old/current Rattlesnake against Cruisers and Frigates. Maybe a BS should do well against a BS and less well against smaller vessels, but still I have a feeling that other pirate BSs where buffed, or remained awesome and just Rattlesnake got a mixed approach.
But I will still use it (probably), as I use the current one: 4 launchers + 2x Drone Link Augumentor II. It has never been a true sniping boat, so at least I'll try to keep it the way it was up until Kronos ;).

I remember something about Drone Skills to be somehow revamped so maybe CCP could buff the Drone Control Range that way?

Edit.: Then how about adding drone tracking speed bonus? That would be fair :)

Could you explain this? I don't fly one but it seemed a very neutral change, only drawing benefit from the lines NOS buff.

@baltec1:
I pray you are right :). I'll have to do a few L4's to find out. Till then: thanks for cheering me up :D.

Grab yourself a few gecko drones, they work rather well vs smaller targets and on the rattle they are like launching a little cruiser in terms of tank.

@Ameiz Keram: I posted a fit on battleclinic in an attempt to retain some semblance of a Rattlesnake L4 mission sniper,

Cabal Kodiak

I've hit Angel battleships orbiting at 15ish km with Bouncers without having to resort to Tracking Scripts.

Does not compute.

Tis true. Try it on Singularity.

I didnt question the truthfullnes, i questioned how a bs would get to you to 15km with 1500 dps flung at the room, and how does that go inside with you having a mjd fit.

Because I'm TESTING the fit, man. I'm not trying to own missions on test server.

This ship is being redesigned to support missiles as its primary damage source.

(but i still think 2 x navy omni is too much, 1x omni II should be enuf)

Just going to put my comment on the Rattlesnake here.

Why do a rattle need HP bonus on sentries? They are barely hit due to their sig radius. Instead of that, you remove the only reason to use the rattle instead of any gallente battleship. Now it has no more bonus to "possible omni-damage". Bonus to damage types OTHER than KIN/THERM was the reason why I did choose this ship (okay, another reason were resistence bonus/tank setting).

-> A lot less versatile due to limits in damage types, range and variety of drones available
-> To PvE aggro a ship on long range, you can use the target painters now because missiles won't reach or it takes forever. And EM/EXP damage is weak anyway. So... wasted money.
-> Moar damage to the two sentries you cannot exchange in battle.

Not a good deal for me...