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Dave Stark
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:29:00 -
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Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:People like you remind me why i stopped reading eveo forums years ago.
people like you are the reason i read it daily. because all of your recent posts are just attacking me and not giving any feedback (you know, the very thing you've accused me of (falsely, i might add)). |
Kaahles
Jion Keanturi
30
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:29:00 -
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Maybe a bit off-topic and will probably get me a lot of hate but here it goes:
Whatever happened to "Adapt or Die"?
"back in the day" it was among the first things I learned o.O |
Lara Divinity
Seles Deep Space Industries Order of the Exalted
8
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:32:00 -
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Kaahles wrote:Maybe a bit off-topic and will probably get me a lot of hate but here it goes:
Whatever happened to "Adapt or Die"?
"back in the day" it was among the first things I learned o.O
it tuned to just die already adapting got nerfed |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11648
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:32:00 -
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Feffri wrote:Posting to agree with comments made from before these changes are horrible and not well thought out at all. Fozzie take the weekends off as you obviously don't do your best thinking on weekends.
Actually the changes are infact rather well thought out. The problem here is adding the rigs means these nerfs have to happen to keep the ships balanced and CCP are only adding the rigs because of an endless train of people asking for rigs over the last 2 years. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
116
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:33:00 -
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It might be more sensible to keep the stats as they are, and add the rig slots. I can't see any negative effects of faster, bigger, or tankier freighters tbh.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11648
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:33:00 -
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Kaahles wrote:Maybe a bit off-topic and will probably get me a lot of hate but here it goes:
Whatever happened to "Adapt or Die"?
"back in the day" it was among the first things I learned o.O
I have been expecting these changes for years now, it sucks but as always I have a plan. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dave Stark
5798
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I have a plan. hauling in megathrons? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11648
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:38:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have a plan. hauling in megathrons?
If only...
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Moloney
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
61
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:46:00 -
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Get you pants off your head and stop this nerf!
Less cargo, slower, less hp pick 1 to return to normal at a cost!? WTF!!! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11648
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Posted - 2014.05.19 08:57:00 -
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Moloney wrote:Get you pants off your head and stop this nerf!
Less cargo, slower, less hp pick 1 to return to normal at a cost!? WTF!!!
Welcome to more choice! Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2710
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:02:00 -
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I love how absolutely angry people are when they get both what they asked for and what was coming at the same time. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
Gumpy Bitterhawk
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:14:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:People like you remind me why i stopped reading eveo forums years ago.
people like you are the reason i read it daily. because all of your recent posts are just attacking me and not giving any feedback (you know, the very thing you've accused me of (falsely, i might add)).
The reason people read this thread is because they are interested in what ccp has in store for jumpfreighters and freighters. I happen to make money from building freighters and jumpfreighters, so, beside all the hauling i do myself, these changes are going to impact me possibly more then the average logi guy.
Now, reading trough this lot with all the whining about these (really harsh) changes and sift out the good ideas/devposts is one thing, but what really pisses me off is this bunch of kids who have been trying to **** up the thread from page one with these 'told you so' comments. Really, if all you want is some backpadding because you predicted something, got trolled about it, are butthurt, and now want some revenge or something, please, go start a own thread in some offtopic section where you can go troll amonghts your 'told you so' fanclub. Adding no feedback at all is still better then whatever you are trying to do.
And as far as my feedback goes (who the f cares anyway), i gave that already somewhere of the start of this thread. I think they both could use tweaks, yes. I think they should have some level of modification, yes. But not by nerfing the ships in all their major aspects and then giving you an option (lol, nessecity) to unfuck one of those stats at a 1.5b price tag (wich is a false level of modification anyways as you cannot unfit rigs). The idea Mynna came up with is like a thousand times better thought trough then what ccp came up with. |
Lara Divinity
Seles Deep Space Industries Order of the Exalted
8
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:15:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:I love how absolutely angry people are when they get both what they asked for and what was coming at the same time.
i never asked for anything but then again im only a 9month old player without a giant alliance or corporation |
Dave Stark
5800
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:19:00 -
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Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:People like you remind me why i stopped reading eveo forums years ago.
people like you are the reason i read it daily. because all of your recent posts are just attacking me and not giving any feedback (you know, the very thing you've accused me of (falsely, i might add)). The reason people read this thread is because they are interested in what ccp has in store for jumpfreighters and freighters. I happen to make money from building freighters and jumpfreighters, so, beside all the hauling i do myself, these changes are going to impact me possibly more then the average logi guy. Now, reading trough this lot with all the whining about these (really harsh) changes and sift out the good ideas/devposts is one thing, but what really pisses me off is this bunch of kids who have been trying to **** up the thread from page one with these 'told you so' comments. Really, if all you want is some backpadding because you predicted something, got trolled about it, are butthurt, and now want some revenge or something, please, go start a own thread in some offtopic section where you can go troll amonghts your 'told you so' fanclub. Adding no feedback at all is still better then whatever you are trying to do. And as far as my feedback goes (who the f cares anyway), i gave that already somewhere of the start of this thread. I think they both could use tweaks, yes. I think they should have some level of modification, yes. But not by nerfing the ships in all their major aspects and then giving you an option (lol, nessecity) to unfuck one of those stats at a 1.5b price tag (wich is a false level of modification anyways as you cannot unfit rigs). The idea Mynna came up with is like a thousand times better thought trough then what ccp came up with.
we've been through this; duplicate threads get locked.
you seem really mad, though. perhaps you should close the thread and go outside (no idea where you live, but it's a glorious day here. which reminds me, i need to make some room in the fridge for the cider.) |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
2713
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:21:00 -
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Lara Divinity wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:I love how absolutely angry people are when they get both what they asked for and what was coming at the same time. i never asked for anything but then again im only a 9month old player without a giant alliance or corporation
It wasn't players in giant player alliances and corporations that asked for this; mostly clueless clowns in NPC corps crying that they needed to fit rigs and mods to their freighters.
Just about every voice of reason on these forums told them that CCP was not going to give freighters fittings without taking something away.
Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened. Now the needy NPC haulers are somehow surprised, after they had been warned repeatedly to beware what they were asking CCP to do. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruitng members for lowsec PvP operations. Newbie friendly, free T1 frigate and dessy hangar, solo tutoring and PvP classes for new members. Join our in game channel 'weflyrifters' and speak to a recruiter today. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11648
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:22:00 -
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Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Gumpy Bitterhawk wrote:People like you remind me why i stopped reading eveo forums years ago.
people like you are the reason i read it daily. because all of your recent posts are just attacking me and not giving any feedback (you know, the very thing you've accused me of (falsely, i might add)). The reason people read this thread is because they are interested in what ccp has in store for jumpfreighters and freighters. I happen to make money from building freighters and jumpfreighters, so, beside all the hauling i do myself, these changes are going to impact me possibly more then the average logi guy. Now, reading trough this lot with all the whining about these (really harsh) changes and sift out the good ideas/devposts is one thing, but what really pisses me off is this bunch of kids who have been trying to **** up the thread from page one with these 'told you so' comments. Really, if all you want is some backpadding because you predicted something, got trolled about it, are butthurt, and now want some revenge or something, please, go start a own thread in some offtopic section where you can go troll amonghts your 'told you so' fanclub. Adding no feedback at all is still better then whatever you are trying to do. And as far as my feedback goes (who the f cares anyway), i gave that already somewhere of the start of this thread. I think they both could use tweaks, yes. I think they should have some level of modification, yes. But not by nerfing the ships in all their major aspects and then giving you an option (lol, nessecity) to unfuck one of those stats at a 1.5b price tag (wich is a false level of modification anyways as you cannot unfit rigs). The idea Mynna came up with is like a thousand times better thought trough then what ccp came up with.
CCP have simply given what countless bears demanded. Rigs for their freighters. No matter what CCP do, if they are adding fitting options then they have to nerf the freighters to keep them balanced.
You will be unhappy with any change they make to these ships as they will all involve big nerfs. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Boomer Zedroid
Treasure Seekers Society Reverberation Project
0
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:31:00 -
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Don't be an idiot; do not deploy this change with Kronos.
If you need something in its place, lick your keyboard for 5 minutes and you will have produced a more sensible contribution to the game. |
Lara Divinity
Seles Deep Space Industries Order of the Exalted
8
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:32:00 -
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nerf it all fck the game up n make it free to play while ur at it |
Hashi Lebwohl
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
42
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:39:00 -
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In the past, when an announcement is made that will have a requirement to get the appropriate skills there is time given between that announcement and when the change goes live.
Time to Kronos -> 15 days
Time to learn a rig skill to 5 -> 13 -16 days depending upon attributes and if jury rigging has been trained.
I think there is not enough time for a dev blog to be published on this change and for players to adapt, and for this reason this change, if it remains the same, should be delayed until the July expansion. |
Dave Stark
5800
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Posted - 2014.05.19 09:44:00 -
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Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Time to learn a rig skill to 5 -> 13 -16 days depending upon attributes and if jury rigging has been trained. good job you only need IV for t2 rigs. which takes about 3-4 days. |
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Oxide Ammar
122
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:12:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Time to learn a rig skill to 5 -> 13 -16 days depending upon attributes and if jury rigging has been trained. good job you only need IV for t2 rigs. which takes about 3-4 days.
The penalty is significant for capital ships, which in this case is freighters getting it to 5 is nice but if he doesn't have other thing to train. |
Dave Stark
5803
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:20:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Hashi Lebwohl wrote:Time to learn a rig skill to 5 -> 13 -16 days depending upon attributes and if jury rigging has been trained. good job you only need IV for t2 rigs. which takes about 3-4 days. The penalty is significant for capital ships, which in this case is freighters getting it to 5 is nice but if he doesn't have other thing to train.
as is the bonus, they're all % based. |
Neoxan
WALLTREIPERS The Initiative.
4
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:22:00 -
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Rigs are a static option, if you want to nerf freighters to the ground in exange to give them the ability to customize them then let them have 1 or 2 low slots and forget about the rig stuff, 2 cargo slots are the best option imo, for example inertias if you want to go fast, expanded cargoholds for cargo, overdrives for autopilot, damage control for tank, if you give them rigs youll need to have 3 or 4 freigthers, one for each role. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
6369
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:25:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:I love how absolutely angry people are when they get both what they asked for and what was coming at the same time.
It's because they think they're special.
Same reason why they were crying for rigs in the first place, by the way. They think they're special, so "it won't happen to me" when they autopilot with 4billion in the cargo hold through the Uedama pipe.
And because they think they're special, they also thought that when they said "we just want more options/choice", they told themselves it would come with no sacrifices. They told themselves it would come as a net buff to everything.
Because they think they're special. Which is why such rage and anger, because this isn't about pixels, to them it's an attack on their very self identity.
Because they think they're special. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Narjack
CragCO
5
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:42:00 -
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mynnna wrote:"Why not modules instead" is a bit of a common question, so on a whim I threw together a concept for just that.
New Module: "Warp Speed Lowslot" Requires Warp Drive Operation V 50 CPU +35% Warp Speed
The most obvious issue with low slots on freighters is lack of a warp speed rig. Solve that with a warp speed low slot. At +35% you get a bit larger benefit than with three T1 warp speed rigs, though smaller than three T2 rigs, but at 50 CPU you'll be making some major choices to fit them. The high fitting cost also serves as a check against their casual use for subcaps, as they'd be a huge, huge deal for shield tanking subcaps. 50 CPU isn't necessarily a final number but I'm not sure about going lower either.
e: Has been pointed out to me that this module would instantly obsolete the new Angel bonuses. This is somewhat problematic, but for now I'm not going to worry about it.
Awesome idea! Maybe add a huge targeting penalty or some such when you use these (kind of like stabs) so they are not abused in PvP? Might actually be nice to be able to throw them onto a BS so that maybe you just need to move a distance but don't have a carrier option at the moment/jump gate etc. Throw one on your BS for faster travel/refit when you get to your destination (I'm thinking mobile depot.) All around the low slot idea makes a lot of sense.
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Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
31
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:54:00 -
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I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11652
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:58:00 -
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Walter Hart White wrote:I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that.
So, you are hiding the post from the people who predicted this would happen if rigs were added in a thread on deciding the future of freighters?
Wouldn't it be a better idea to listen to them, given how they know what changes would mean. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dave Stark
5803
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Posted - 2014.05.19 10:59:00 -
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Walter Hart White wrote:I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that.
you could at least spell my name right, it's right there for you to copy. |
Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
31
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Posted - 2014.05.19 11:01:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:Walter Hart White wrote:I would really like if they switch from capital to large rigs. The prices are insane, for Capital Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II x 2 you need 0.5b with cheapest order right now, who knows how much it will be after the change... and who knows how much Capital Transverese Bulkheads II will cost... Capital Hyperspatial Velocity rigs don't cost that much to build. (It's about on par with CCCCs for T1; T2 is much cheaper than a T2 CCCC.) The thing is, though, nobody actually builds them, because nobody actually buys them... so currently the cheapest T1 one in Jita is 100M ISK for some insane profit if you ever manage to sell however many you build. Edit for clarity: There's currently no market, so people price them at whatever the **** they want. If there was actually demand, someone would force the price down to sell theirs faster than the next guy's. Eve central reports 250m for cheapest t2 one. |
Walter Hart White
Heisenberg Minings
31
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Posted - 2014.05.19 11:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Walter Hart White wrote:I hide all posts from tippia, Kaarous, Dave Start and likes of those, and voila, thread is nice again! Recommend everyone doing that. So, you are hiding the post from the people who predicted this would happen if rigs were added in a thread on deciding the future of freighters? Wouldn't it be a better idea to listen to them, given how they know what changes would mean. If they were saying anything useful, maybe. All they say is the same thing all over the thread. I don't need to read "told you so" * number_of_posts(tippia, any_thread) + number_of_posts(kaarous, any_thread) + number_of_posts(dave_start, any_thread);
All they do, in every single thread, if there is someone unhappy with CCP changes, they troll the **** out of them. That is all they do. They have zero usefulness in community and should be removed from it. |
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