- Wars in higsec against lower skilled/newer characters... I was looking for the appropriate term and Urban dictionary told me "roflstomped"

If the JF's now use 50% more fuel will the fuel bay be made bigger to accommodate more fuel

If the JF's now use 50% more fuel will the fuel bay be made bigger to accommodate more fuel or do we have to use some of our reduced cargo space to carry fuel aswell?

To compensate for the extra isotopes that ships will need to carry, the volume of all four isotopes will be reduced by 1/3, to 0.1m3

What is there to clarify? Originally, freighters were supposed to get rigs. Now they get low slots instead.

This means that Freighters can get significantly higher maximum capacity than before using modules, and we're increasing the volume of packaged capital ships (to 1.3 million m3) and unpackaged station containers (to 2 million m3) to compensate.

Erm GǪ wouldn't you be better off hauling PLEX in a blockade runner, since you have the cloak and an incredibly short align time and high warp speed?

If you have a brain, what you really want to use to carry PLEX is a shuttle to get to the target location then redeem your PLEX once you are in the right station.

Very nice to have opinions. May I ask what you base that on? I can base my proofs on cold hard maths, not that CCP listen that much to it.

As I have stated before, most people involved in industrial effort (or what they call of it) cannot arrive at an accurate calculation of cost. I'm sure I will hear lots of people shout, but I can and am willing to prove my statements with figures, but you may be surprised how long the proofs can be.

I and my team have made many billions in actual true profit in the game, before continual price depreciation and constant market entropy became massively significant factors that we stropped wasting our time. I know there are items out there which are still profitable, some T2 ones, but most T1 items (which is where new entries to market are) are not profitable, and ironically the larger you go the bigger the investment, the greater profit you believe people would insist upon. Unfortunately, that is just plain incorrect as an assumption (and we all know what phrases are out there warning us about assumptions).

I did the maths last night, on a previously truely industrial involvement with investors that we took part in. I updated the figures last night using the Jita buy prices for Minerals, and based on the CURRENT Sell prices of the eventual items in Jita (invalid assumptions, as fails to account for speed of depreciation in eve of both source materials pricing and sales achievable prices).


These figures even have factory production associated and all other market related costs included:

Final Sales Cost Profit / Unit Margin Profit / Factory Hour
Charon: 1,290,823,860.50 79,176,139.50 6.133% 2,778.93
Orca: 623,146,338.65 15,733,661.20 2.525% 1,104.86


Total Profit / Batch:267,980,073.85

Batches to Recover Investment:> 2,000
Time to Recover Investment:> 37,295 days!

BEFORE you have recovered the investment costs, you have made no actual profit!! Simple business fact.


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Now I will leave you Add Real haulage costs both ways, and the increase for increased quantities of hauling and recalculate your impact on profit etc.


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You should carry as many as possible too.

This is not correct. The fuel change is currently scheduled for Crius.

I must of worded that poorly. I meant you don't put the PLEX in the game until you are in the right station. Is there a mecanic I'm missing where there is a need to move PLEX around?

I must of worded that poorly. I meant you don't put the PLEX in the game until you are in the right station. Is there a mecanic I'm missing where there is a need to move PLEX around?

I must of worded that poorly. I meant you don't put the PLEX in the game until you are in the right station. Is there a mecanic I'm missing where there is a need to move PLEX around?

Eh... hate to say it, but who cares if it's harder to gank a freighter in high-sec anymore? If we're going to be able to build player star gates, then we're probably going to need a huge (and reliable) industrial and *logistics* base with which to do it. The concerns of the builders is going to outweigh the concerns of the anarchists.

To put it simply, suicide ganking freighters is small time banditry. The real goal in attacking freighters is to disrupt another alliance from building their stargate first. That's where the real money/action/impetus will be, IMHO.

My apologies for sounding a bit harsh and dismissive of your concerns, but freighters haven't had any meaningful ways of adapting their freighters to the environment except by CCP Fiat. Now they finally get a buff and some options.

tl;dr - A Commerce Raiding release will happen. No more ganking. It's time for real war.

Why not rig it for warp speed, instead? You spend a lot more time in warp then you do aligning.

Regarding the safety angle, rigging for hull HP is going to be a lot more effective at safeguarding you than align. Any serious freighter suicide ganker utilizes suicide newbie ships with a point to shut off your warp and stop your align before initiating a bump. Your align time won't be particularly useful in saving you when your align is already terrible (pre- and post-change.)

That will never end. But it will raise the safe for transport value of goods. And that is a good thing.

so i was correct.
You were making low margin high effort stuff involving massive amounts of hauling.
When i started my industrial alt about a year ago i was making t1 only for a profit of about 750 mill/week with about 40 mins a day off effort. It is now north of a billion /week as i can build T2 stuff. Manufacturing is the most profitable thing i have done in eve and i have done most activities.

Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 40(+20) / 47.5(+7.5) / 50

safety is not good in eve. Saftey promotes complacency. Risk rewards effort.

u want things to be difficult because u want to be rewarded for ur efforts and risk. U want ur competition to lose out because they are lazy and/or died in a fire.

Erm GǪ wouldn't you be better off hauling PLEX in a blockade runner, since you have the cloak and an incredibly short align time and high warp speed?

Complacency leads to bigger whales. Bigger whales will be at risk.

Holy hell this forum is ridiculous at how fast it's going. We're over 109 pages and it's only been up 5 days LOL.

Complacency leads to bigger whales. Bigger whales will be at risk.

Fozzie puts out moronic changes that the entire Eve universe hates, except the griefers.