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Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 462	Posted - 2014.07.18 03:47:00 - [481] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: ~words~ Dat ad hominem... dat hyperbole... you mad as hell boy. I'm the result of GSF's play style. Their mission statement is to harvest my tears. I'll give them my spit in the face instead. If they want noobs to stay in the game they should help by firing their leader and disbanding their alliance. But what would become of all of the little bees that come in on a regular basis? Think of the children!
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 3178	Posted - 2014.07.18 03:50:00 - [482] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Sky' Darkstar wrote: The CEO of Goonswarm and leader of the CFC is saying greifers are driving away new players. Goonswarm/CFC don't grief. To be fair, the article isn't talking about "griefing" either. It's talking about a zone without player aggression, and without some of the pitfalls of EVE that may not be completely obvious to a new player. Goons do famously contribute to player aggression in hisec, sometimes against players who don't know or haven't bothered to brush up on hisec aggression rules. Goons also scam. Whether or not that's corp/alliance mandated isn't the point. It seems a tad hypocritical for the self proclaimed "Space Tyrant" to recommend a Jovian foam-padded newbie zone. It's completely inappropriate for EVE. The recommendation is on the level of stuff Ripard would lobby for. .. when everything else is gone ..
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2014.07.18 03:52:00 - [483] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: I'm the result of GSF's play style. I am legitimately curious as to what you mean by this. It seems you have encountered goons in game before. Would you mind sharing, so as to broaden my understanding of your POV?
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 39	Posted - 2014.07.18 03:56:00 - [484] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: I'm the result of GSF's play style. I am legitimately curious as to what you mean by this. It seems you have encountered goons in game before. Would you mind sharing, so as to broaden my understanding of your POV? So you can giggle? No, I don't think so. If you probe deeply into your unconscious you'll find that you actually know how much of a piece of crap you are. No need for me to tell you. You know your history. You know the things you do. You know how you play.
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility 3611	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:00:00 - [485] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: If you probe deeply into your unconscious you'll find that you actually know how much of a piece of crap you are. hold on, fellow, let's all agree to use language that won't hurt any feelings.
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:02:00 - [486] - Quote It's OK. I don't have any. I'm a goon, remember?
Sibyyl Gallente Federation 3180	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:03:00 - [487] - Quote Paynus Maiassus, I think the way you are saying things is a bit insulting. I don't think communicating like that is necessary. Can you help us stick to the points of the discussion instead of turning this thread into toxic sludge? .. when everything else is gone ..
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 333	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:12:00 - [488] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: So you can giggle? No, I don't think so. Had a quick scan of internal records to confirm my suspicions. Your name is still on our database. I'm sorry you didn't meet the application criteria. I'd be more than happy to review your application. It has been more than 8 months now. Everybody deserves a second chance.
Paynus Maiassus Capital Munitions 39	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:27:00 - [489] - Quote Arkady Romanov wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: So you can giggle? No, I don't think so. Had a quick scan of internal records to confirm my suspicions. Your name is still on our database. I'm sorry you didn't meet the application criteria. I'd be more than happy to review your application. It has been more than 8 months now. Everybody deserves a second chance. Goon, you have no feelings. You have a scam in your bio in your profile. Goons don't recruit in game outside of select sponsorship. I have never applied to goons. An alt did (with a different account and API, so I know you're full of it with the database crap), but did not join. Instead I joined a CFC ally. And being true and honorable to your allies you tried to poach me from them because you're short on cap pilots. Oh and more of Mittens' Genius, we now need to get rid of supercaps because they ruin the game? No, Mittens wants CCP to get rid of supers because N3PL has more supers than you. You claim you win and thrive in all circumstances, but really you only win and thrive in circumstances where huge numbers of "I wanna be win" recruits can win. Can't win with supers? Claim supers are Eve's evil. I've known Goons and heard them talk of ways to rip off junior alliance members. It's a culture of 10,000 people ripping off each other and every one they come across. Goonswarm recruitment team? Jesus Christ come on. Face it, you guys are why players quit. I'm one of the ones that didn't. I decided to grow into the fruit you planted. You now have an enemy because of the way you play. Please don't act surprised. But yes, I don't want to continue leading the thread off topic. In my earlier post I clearly and effectively explained why Mittens' theme park is a stupid idea. Along the way I anecdotally added that Goons talking about civilized play is just a joke. Didn't mean for that to be so damned entertaining that it hijacked the thread. So in sum, The Goon solution to player retention is, wait for it, wait for it, a bad idea. Enough said.
Arkady Romanov GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 335	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:32:00 - [490] - Quote Wow.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 462	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:34:00 - [491] - Quote Okay...you're actually starting to worry me a bit. All trolling aside, you have some serious problems. Either that, or you are one of the most convincing RPers I've ever come across.
Ocih Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums 642	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:39:00 - [492] - Quote I feel 'drive' away isn't the right wording. Tie them up, throw them in the trunk and send the car off a cliff with a brick on the gas is more accurate.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1977	Posted - 2014.07.18 05:17:00 - [493] - Quote Winning Strategy. Step 1) Throw as many bodies as possible at a problem. Step 2 ) If Step 1 doesn't work, cry to CCP for nerf to problem mechanic. Step 3) GoTo Step 1 ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 936	Posted - 2014.07.18 05:48:00 - [494] - Quote Wow some folks really don't understand the difference between ganking, and griefing.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3275	Posted - 2014.07.18 06:14:00 - [495] - Quote Removed some off topic posts. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 12390	Posted - 2014.07.18 06:22:00 - [496] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Wow some folks really don't understand the difference between ganking, and griefing. Or have even bothered to read what dear leader said. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Mario Putzo Welping and Dunking. 936	Posted - 2014.07.18 06:26:00 - [497] - Quote TBH I didn't bother to read another page of drivel. So I didn't. Will just have to take your word for it.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10870	Posted - 2014.07.18 06:40:00 - [498] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: The guy is a moron with half the IQ of Gevlon. Gevlon's idea about creating an in-game version of EN24 that would introduce newbies to Eve culture is far superior to Mittens' stupid noob zone idea. gevlon has admitted on numerous occasions that he does not know how people work and despite this self-awareness he continues to publish his ideas on how people should play eve i do hope you're trolling Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 10680	Posted - 2014.07.18 07:04:00 - [499] - Quote Sibyyl wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Sky' Darkstar wrote: The CEO of Goonswarm and leader of the CFC is saying greifers are driving away new players. Goonswarm/CFC don't grief. To be fair, the article isn't talking about "griefing" either. It's talking about a zone without player aggression Unsolicited aggression against newbies in newbie areas is classified as griefing. Really, not much would actually change. Sibyyl wrote: Goons do famously contribute to player aggression in hisec, sometimes against players who don't know or haven't bothered to brush up on hisec aggression rules. Goons also scam. Whether or not that's corp/alliance mandated isn't the point. But we don't target newbies. That would be griefing. Sibyyl wrote: It seems a tad hypocritical for the self proclaimed "Space Tyrant" to recommend a Jovian foam-padded newbie zone. It's completely inappropriate for EVE. The recommendation is on the level of stuff Ripard would lobby for. We have foam-padded newbie zones. The problem is that newbies aren't actually aware of this and they venture out of it before they realize what the dangers are. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh.
Zappity Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 1224	Posted - 2014.07.18 07:28:00 - [500] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: We have foam-padded newbie zones. The problem is that newbies aren't actually aware of this and they venture out of it before they realize what the dangers are. Yes, we do. But this isn't clear to a noob. I had no idea about starter systems until about six months after I began. Since they are already there, why not make it clearer? Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6231	Posted - 2014.07.18 12:54:00 - [501] - Quote Andski wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: The guy is a moron with half the IQ of Gevlon. Gevlon's idea about creating an in-game version of EN24 that would introduce newbies to Eve culture is far superior to Mittens' stupid noob zone idea. gevlon has admitted on numerous occasions that he does not know how people work and despite this self-awareness he continues to publish his ideas on how people should play eve i do hope you're trolling Yes, ingame en24, great stuff... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Marlona Sky D00M. Northern Coalition. 5376	Posted - 2014.07.18 16:10:00 - [502] - Quote Paynus Maiassus wrote: OK, first of all, didn't the Mitanni get banned from Eve for joyously bragging about griefing someone into committing suicide? You are referring to this: LINK And yes, he was banned for 30 days. The Paradox
Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2014.07.18 17:58:00 - [503] - Quote Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Yeah i did read his diatribe, and he cannot see the disadvantages of a gated community (does he live in one?) for rookies, they have safe areas and rookie chat they just have to read to get a huge amount of info from. It also could be suggested that he thinks that rookies in eve are stupid, he made it (probably within a SA bubble) thousands make it through trail (we all did), those that don't probably have a multitude of reasons not to continue, stuff like you gotta have multiple accounts as you cannot trust anyone (a lie and its a MMO ffs and trust is always a volatile thing in reality), unable to find a system with out dickless wonders trying to prove manhood by griefing obviously far inferior players, not enough time IRL, lots of reasons TBH. People just have to stop being douches, its not mandatory, and like life if your rich and powerful you don-¦t notice how big a douche you are as you have a huge amount of insulation from the fact. already dead, just haven-¦t fallen over yet....
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 466	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:33:00 - [504] - Quote Brainless Bimbo wrote: Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Mittens has been an advocate for the newbro for longer than most people still around have been playing Eve. As an example, this was written in 2009 (originally on tentonhammer, I believe): http://themittani.com/content/soss-8-newbies-space-0 I know, grr Goons and all, but seriously, for once, you people are barking up the wrong damned tree.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6231	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:18:00 - [505] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Brainless Bimbo wrote: Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Mittens has been an advocate for the newbro for longer than most people still around have been playing Eve. As an example, this was written in 2009 (originally on tentonhammer, I believe): http://themittani.com/content/soss-8-newbies-space-0 I know, grr Goons and all, but seriously, for once, you people are barking up the wrong damned tree. His ilk, yep... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1978	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:49:00 - [506] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Brainless Bimbo wrote: Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Mittens has been an advocate for the newbro for longer than most people still around have been playing Eve. Yeah that's one way of looking at it, the other way is that Goons denied them the whole EVE experience so they can be meatshields in their little empire. It's no wonder you're having trouble getting them to log in and call for desperate measures like a play nice MMO. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6231	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:00:00 - [507] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Brainless Bimbo wrote: Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Mittens has been an advocate for the newbro for longer than most people still around have been playing Eve. Yeah that's one way of looking at it, the other way is that Goons denied them the whole EVE experience so they can be meatshields in their little empire. It's no wonder you're having trouble getting them to log in and call for desperate measures like a play nice MMO. Our people are logging in just fine. We're blobbers. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears. Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 8017	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:05:00 - [508] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Yeah that's one way of looking at it, the other way is that Goons denied them the whole EVE experience so they can be meatshields in their little empire. I am curious, what part would that be? Pretending to be a bot in highsec? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Clean Up Local 2014.-á
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 467	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:18:00 - [509] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Brainless Bimbo wrote: Mittens is just complaining that most eve players are douche-bags towards rookies. If he and his ilk change into decent people maybe rookies wouldn-¦t have it so hard. Mittens has been an advocate for the newbro for longer than most people still around have been playing Eve. Yeah that's one way of looking at it, the other way is that Goons denied them the whole EVE experience so they can be meatshields in their little empire. It's no wonder you're having trouble getting them to log in and call for desperate measures like a play nice MMO. This is hilarious on a couple of levels. First: denied them what "whole" experience? The ****** first couple of months that everyone complains about, when your primarily sources of income are tedious at best (unless you follow Mittens' advice and become a young scammer)? Maybe if half of the shitlords in Eve treated their newbros like Goons do, we'd have better new player retention. Second: I've only been here (GSF) for a couple of weeks, and I've already seen us put up full fleets in oddball timezones, and that's not even counting the guys who aren't in the deployment zone. What was that about logging in again? All of those problems that "everyone" seems to deal with, seems to impact the CFC significantly less. Part of that is sheer numbers. The other part, I'll leave for you to speculate.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 10870	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:21:00 - [510] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Paynus Maiassus wrote: OK, first of all, didn't the Mitanni get banned from Eve for joyously bragging about griefing someone into committing suicide? You are referring to this: LINK And yes, he was banned for 30 days. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á

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