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Jayne Fillon
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:38:00 -
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I have serious concerns about the retting capability when used in high sec wars.
You've just made station camping, and undock tomfoolery even less risky for griefers than it already was.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI. |
Freya Shimane
Cut Throats And Wise Guys
12
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:38:00 -
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Rowells wrote:Would a fleet hangar be better than an SMA since the SMA is too small for most things? Pushes it even closer to the support role.
You can't refit ships from a fleet hangar. That's the purpose for the SMA is for refits, not ship transportation.
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Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:42:00 -
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I'm glad that you're aware that the Nestor isn't particularly useful. Probably not enough as far as changes go to make it viable, but at least it might have a niche use or two.
Any plan to address the battleship class as a whole? How about CBCs? What was the verdict on the Tempest? |
Arthur Aihaken
Halas Hooligans
3752
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:49:00 -
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Jayne Fillon wrote:You've just made station camping, and undock tomfoolery even less risky for griefers than it already was.
This is really a separate issue entirely, is it not?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
DaJokr
Hard Knocks Inc.
18
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:49:00 -
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Enjoy the change, will make them slightly more useful and less vulnerable to dread blaps.
Mass on them is fine for WHs
Would be really nice:
Hacking role bonus -> something useful (Cap reduction on energy or armor transfers perhaps?)
Base sensor strength 24 -> 28-30
+1 low slot
Then I will fly it forever. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:54:00 -
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Conjaq wrote:
Giving it a covert cloak would definitely be to overpowered
How definitive we talking? I don't see the thing being so incredibly good at combat that a cloak would make it OP. |
Aquamo
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:57:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
5,000 m3 ? is this a typo or did you mean a fleet hangar?
I can see a 50,000m3 SMA or maybe a 5,000 m3 fleet hangar but a 5,000 m3 SMA seems unique :-)
edit: or is the only way to make a ship have a "fitting service" is to provide at least a trivially small SMA ?
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Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
282
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:58:00 -
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Are there any plans of creating a battleship with similar nestor bonuses for shields?
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis CALSF
22
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Posted - 2014.08.11 17:59:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:Underwhelming.
So its still a crappy hacker/scanner
And a crappy repper
And a crappy shooter
And a crappy j-space explorer
And a crappy droner
And now its a crappy refitter
Everything it does is still done much better by other ships. Ships of smaller classes or larger classes.
Maybe its strength is just that... its a swiss army knife that can work in a pinch to fill many different roles when you're not in a larger fleet or in a position to reship easily. But obviously has being able to do all those things has to have the trade-off of not being able to do everything as well as or better than a specialized ship.
My only real fault with the Nestor but its too expensive to fly regularly and get blown up. I'd rather welp a carrier for that ISK as it can do all of the things a Nestor can but better (except scanning/hacking with exception to some WH guys). I think increasing the drop rate of its Nexus chips to increase supply and drop prices will be a good thing. +1 Fozzie |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1911
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:01:00 -
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yay! the SMA makes me happy...
any chance we can get a deployable that acts as a mobile jump unit? one time deployable that only battleships can activate and can only be used in a constilation
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers
Fidelas Constans
1165
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:02:00 -
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Freya Shimane wrote:Rowells wrote:Would a fleet hangar be better than an SMA since the SMA is too small for most things? Pushes it even closer to the support role. You can't refit ships from a fleet hangar. That's the purpose for the SMA is for refits, not ship transportation.
What? You put modules and/or ammo /drones in there and then fit then to your ship. More useful than only using tuff in your own cargo if you are out away from base for long periods of time. I'm not saying get rid of fitting services, you do t need SMA for that, especially if it's as tiny as 5k. |
Zoneras
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
8
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:03:00 -
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This SMA a huge step in making something VERY VERY VERY useful in a niche role in wormholes. This may in fact be solving the issue with capitals being spit out in random directions after jumping and unable to refit off of one another. I wonder if that was your intention? I'm still not satisfied with having to throw another expensive ship at the problem just because the enemy is unwilling to jump through a wormhole. |
colera deldios
195
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:04:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Two step wrote:Fun suggestion: Reduce the Nestor's mass, but add a ship "bonus" that increases the mass when running a prop mod so it won't be super fast . Then they might see more use in w-space. The Nestor already has approximately half the mass of other battleships.
The price is that because no one want's it... Loads of people do SOE missions and find it better to invest into Astero/Stratios. In WH both Dominix & Tengu outperform Nestor in RR/DPS roles. In L4 missions both 0.0/LS/HS it's outperformed by other ships same in PVP/Blops in fleets & small skirmishes & solo pvp in all space.
So why on earth would anyone use this ship ? |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2069
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:06:00 -
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Finally the shuttle transporter that I've always wanted.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
751
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:06:00 -
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please just redesign the entire line, they're awful. |
Maxis Lithium
Munch and Crunch Security Runners
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:08:00 -
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If it can refit Frig sized ships in space, then I can see it having a use. being able to move in, swap out equipment for fleets and let those fleets move on to their destination would allow fleets to fit against specific enemies after they are scanned down by the Nestor. The changes to book mark sharing will facilitate this as well.
I like the idea on concept, but implementation will be another issue.
Increasing the drop rates would be huge! The Nestor would be more viable in it's various rolls if it weren't such a huge risk to fly. If it's more replaceable, then it becomes much viable to experiment with. |
Sjaandi HyShan
EVE University
Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:10:00 -
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It does seem like the ship is trying to be a jack-of-all trades. Good at everything, great at none.
Making it fulfill a niche roll would increase its perceived value, since you can buy all the ships for its roles (and that perform better at those roles) for less than this ship costs. |
Mara Tessidar
Dark Star Safari
Goonswarm Federation
1122
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:11:00 -
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You can pay less money and get a more useful ship in the form of a carrier. |
Hopelesshobo
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
282
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:20:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:You can pay less money and get a more useful ship in the form of a carrier.
Especially in highsec and lowclass wormholes...
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012. |
GreenSeed
1105
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:20:00 -
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its bad at everything, but its a lot of things to be bad at, so it could eventually balance out...
why not limiting the max reppers to 2 and buffing their rep amnt by 300%, lowering cycle time to triage levels, while also increasing their cap cost 200%. this way the ship has a similar potential rep power to what it could have now, with a massive burst rep, but with no realistic possibility to keep the reps up for more than 2 - 3 cycles, this also forces the pilot to plan each cycle.
all this, with the added bonus of keeping its weapon/utility highs. as it is now, the ship is just plain weird. it cant do anything right. at least this way it can become a strong rep platform paired with another nestor, or a 3 cap xferr guardian. while still being a :battleship:. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Halas Hooligans
3752
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:23:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:its bad at everything, but its a lot of things to be bad at, so it could eventually balance outGǪ
Haha, too funny.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3650
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:26:00 -
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Ship Maintenance array: How you give a ship the ability to have other people refit using it.
making it 5,000 m3: Makes it just large enough for a shuttle.
Like the one in the concept art.
http://cdn02.tmcdn.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline_stopgap/public/SOE_Nestor_Battleship_FinalConcept_lrg_0.jpg?itok=41C190gi
Woo! CSM 9!
http://fuzzwork.enterprises/
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
1602
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:27:00 -
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Give it the ability to be black ops bridged so at least that not-as-good-as-logi rep bonus might have some use
"Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."
-Arydanika, Voices from the Void
Hero of the CSM
Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
M1k3y Koontz
Thorn Project
Surely You're Joking
589
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Harvey James wrote:interesting adding some genuine uniqueness .. what it also tells us is that Rise is far too conservative with changes .. since every change he does needs further changes later on down the line ... please give him a kick up the arse for us please This is actually the best way to do things, better to make small changes to get to a good place than to over buff something and have people suffer in game for weeks or months before CCP can come back around and fix it.
Adding a few m/s to a useless ship doesn't make it good though. (I'm looking at you, Muninn changes)
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Enre Rosencraz
Protoculture Labs
0
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Posted - 2014.08.11 18:53:00 -
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SMA is an interesting way to go. If you are going to rethink this ship, as everyone is pretty unanimous that you should, then go a different way with it.
Make it an Anti-Bhaalgorn.
Give it a shielded capacitor. A 25-50% reduction (Amarr BS skill level based) in cap neuted per cycle.
This will give it use in C4+ anomalies and make it one hell of a remote repper.
it may even give it a purpose in PVP fleets as a logi alternative if you make it a bit more agile.
my 2 isk. |
XvXTeacherVxV
Dayman Industries
100
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:05:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.
I get that this new ship bay is useful for refitting, but the space in the bay itself is pretty much worthless. I'd like to see this ship maintenance bay mean something more than "You can put a shuttle in it!" That's not giving players very interesting choices. What you put in this bay should matter, otherwise it's just flavor and a fitting service and this ship is already too much flavor and not enough function.
Make this Ship Maintenance Bay capable of launching a fighter and then add the following Nestor-only fighter-type ships.
- Explorer: Allows the Nestor to launch probes & scan without fitting a probe launcher and analyze without fitting an analyzer.
- Logistics: Can be sent to repair any ship in fleet and the same system.
- SOE Combat: The Gecko of fighters. Twice the bandwidth for twice the power, but squeezes into the SOE bay.
Those are interesting choices. Otherwise your choice is: Leopard or regular shuttle?
(And give it a damn jump drive already, it's crying out for one.)
Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Mordus Angels
1998
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:07:00 -
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Hey look, a 1.4 billion isk mobile depot. Neat-o.
I'm sure it will find plenty of use in situations where dropping a mobile depot isn't the best idea, but dropping an anemic 1.4 billion isk battleship is a solid move.
Yeah. |
Jasmin Fox
Keeper of the Black Star
29
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:08:00 -
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Get some pants and make change it to a blackops. It will fit to its hull and will make the ship way more used.
Your changes will not make anyone use that ship. There are better ones out there that cost less. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:10:00 -
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Enre Rosencraz wrote:SMA is an interesting way to go. If you are going to rethink this ship, as everyone is pretty unanimous that you should, then go a different way with it.
Make it an Anti-Bhaalgorn.
Give it a shielded capacitor. A 25-50% reduction (Amarr BS skill level based) in cap neuted per cycle.
This will give it use in C4+ anomalies and make it one hell of a remote repper.
it may even give it a purpose in PVP fleets as a logi alternative if you make it a bit more agile.
my 2 isk.
Whoa, I like you. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
106
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:11:00 -
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For PVE you would have to be ******** to use this ship.
SMA is interesting. That gives it a small niche use in PVP.
Fingers getting closer to the undock button Foz....but still not close enough. |
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