The nestor can rep x2.5 a guardian, the same as 1 cap rep on a triage archon. The issue with this is the cap, but a lot of people seem to be dismissing the ship maintenance bay as plain storage for Cap boosters.

You can't put anything except ships in a ship maintenance bay. It isn't a fleet hangar which allows the storage of mods. The only thing the Nestor can put in there is a single shuttle sized ship.

Well clearly its there for the refit capability, right? CCP obviously intended you not to put anything in there. Would it be clearer if the size of the bay was 1m3?

edit: you know, just so nobody goes around trying to stuff cap rechargers in the thing.

Notwithstanding the WH role, the Nestor currently has quite a few roles. It's an armor Rattlesnake (sort of). It's a BS-sized logi with correspondingly larger rep potential. It's a BS-sized exploration boat that nobody wants or needs. It's an Orca that can't carry extra ships.

Give the Nestor a role bonus to range of data/relic analyzers, and the ability to loot data/relic analyzers from much farther away.

Its the same maths you just used. EFT and the like lies which is why I always say just use it for seeing if something will fit and a rough idea of what it will do. In game strange things happen. (seriously, go do the maths on a double nano mega vs a harpy, the maths say I shouldn't be aligning faster than them yet I do.)

You can't put anything except ships in a ship maintenance bay. It isn't a fleet hangar which allows the storage of mods. The only thing the Nestor can put in there is a single shuttle sized ship.

I'd like to hear what you think the nestor can be used for...

It still needs a cloak bonus of some kind. Even if you have to take some other kind of bonus away or nerf it somehow.

I didn't say access to covops cloaks. Just a useful, powerful cloak bonus of some kind.

It has always needed a cloak bonus of some kind.

Even if the price was 500mil, I would still buy a bunch of domis instead of a nestor. This ship just flat out sucks in its bonuses, which have literally 0 cohesion with each other. Laser range, but no laser cap/tracking/dps? Combined with drones, which also don't get any bonuses to tracking/optimal/falloff? With some rr in it just cuz why the **** not? So what we have is a rring, drone, laser boat that can't really do any of these roles very good. Incidentally the cap on it makes rring very hard. It just does not make sense why the players would legit want to fly this ship.

This is why I keep saying they should drop the RR ability, turn this thing into a BLOPs and make a BC to cover the RR ability which could be fully covert due to the fact it wouldn't have any more offensive capabilty than the Stratios.

Then the SoE ship line would actually make sense!
Frigate - Covert Combat Scout
Cruiser - Covert Combat Cruiser
BC - Covert Combat Support (RR/Links)
BS - BLOPs support **with SMA** (BLOPs cloaking only, not fully covert)

That would either make for the hardest T1 ship to train into or give you the ability to use jump drives w/o jump skills lets ignore the lore aspects with some one operating a jump drive with no knowledge of how they work and only a small understanding of basic navigation and move onto the game-play side of either jump drives usable with no skill or a function of a ship locked untill a skill is reached

I'm pretty sure you can't use a module without the relevent skills to use it. Good example is I can fit a T2 gang link to a BC but can't use it due to skills even though I have perfect BC skills. So this point is irrelevant. Also, the use of BLOPs bridging ability isn't something you would have to use. The ship would still be a good BS. But I get where you're coming from about T1 and skill training time. But I don't see that as a major issue

Hey guys, after some more feedback from you guys we have a couple more additions to the changes to announce.

We're going to increase the sensor strength of the Nestor a bit to better reflect its role as a high-tech support vessel.

We're also going to be decreasing the mass of the ship quite a bit, down to 20m kg. This will help keep the Nestor balanced for use in highsec wars as it will be easier to bump away from the safety of stations, and has the added benefit of making the Nestor the first battleship that can jump into C1 wormholes. We'll be decreasing the base speed and inertia modifier at the same time, but the end result is that the Nestor will be a bit more agile and will be a bit faster than before with its prop mod running.

The new changes are:

Mass: 20,000,000 (-36,000,000)
Inertia: 0.5 (+0.32)
Velocity: 65 (-27)
Magnetometric Sensor Strength: 30 (+6)

you understand that the jump drive is not a module right its part of a BLOPs like its warp drive and it is this jump drive i'm referring to not the bridge

Bullschmidt. In higher level class wormholes, you can't use your Astero or Stratios to kill the sleepers, then hack the sites... The Nestor is good for that. With the Nestor, you won't have to clear the site in a BS, have a fleet mate warp to you to save the site while you warp back to get a hacking ship, warp back to site to hack, and again... warp back to your POS/exit to reap the rewards. It's a one-stop shop with the hacking bonus.

.....Notwithstanding the WH role, the Nestor currently has quite a few roles. It's an armor Rattlesnake (sort of). It's a BS-sized logi with correspondingly larger rep potential. It's a BS-sized exploration boat that nobody wants or needs. It's an Orca that can't carry extra ships.

Personally, I'd like to see the BS-sized logi role moved to another, new class of ships, so they can focus on that role--and don't forget to have a shield one, too. Maybe give each race another BS which is basically an upsized version of the existing logi. Maybe T2, maybe not--advantage of T2 would be that you could just re-use existing models...Caldari could use the Rokh model, Gallente could use the Hyperion model, etc.

Then, make the Nestor into just the armor rattlesnake, with a damage bonus to guns. Maybe move the SMA onto the BS logi ships, or keep it on the Nestor, either way is fine. Give the Nestor a role bonus to range of data/relic analyzers, and the ability to loot data/relic analyzers from much farther away.

That way, the Nestor will fit better into the SoE ship line and actually be useful at data/relic sites.

(leave nestor in space for a minute)

What wormhole do you live in? I'd like to come visit.

If Nestor could launch 5 geckos it would be a lot more interesting without the price change. Would not be surprised to see it used more even with current prices.

perhaps to set the nestor out as unique ship it should make use of it's lightweight and novel construction techniques and use an advanced ultr-low reflective nano surface to give a bonus to the effect of the target spectrum breaker. Making it harder to target with a seemingly little used mod could be interesting