Give it a few months and if CCPs maths is right it should land around the same price as a vindi.

Two things:
1) I can't remember the last time I saw a vindi in null. I'm sure it happens somewhere, but I haven't seen it. Doesn't exactly bode well for the nestor, does it?

2) A vindi is currently 854 mil in jita. In order for a nestor to go down to 854 mil from 1.4 bil, you would need to depress SoE LP/Isk conversion and Nexus Chip/isk conversion by 39%. This would imply a Stratios goes from 289 mil --> 176 mil and an Astero goes from 78 mil --> 47 mil.

While I would love to see a stratios that is cheaper than an ishtar, it ain't gonna happen.

How do you know? CCP just stated they are making it easier and cheaper to get.

Care to make a wager?

Two months, if the nestor is down to 854 mil or less, I'll buy you one. If the Nestor is above 854 mil, you buy me one. Sound good?

2) A vindi is currently 854 mil in jita. In order for a nestor to go down to 854 mil from 1.4 bil, you would need to depress SoE LP/Isk conversion and Nexus Chip/isk conversion by 39%. This would imply a Stratios goes from 289 mil --> 176 mil and an Astero goes from 78 mil --> 47 mil.

While I would love to see a stratios that is cheaper than an ishtar, it ain't gonna happen.

I think people complaining about the Nestor having no uses are being incredibly uncreative.

If the price comes down, as with this change it should, then I can envision quite a few uses for it.

You guys got to think outside of the box :).

Two things:
1) I can't remember the last time I saw a (pvp) vindi in null. I'm sure it happens somewhere, but I haven't seen it. Doesn't exactly bode well for the nestor, does it?

2) A vindi is currently 854 mil in jita. In order for a nestor to go down to 854 mil from 1.4 bil, you would need to depress SoE LP/Isk conversion and Nexus Chip/isk conversion by 39%. This would imply a Stratios goes from 289 mil --> 176 mil and an Astero goes from 78 mil --> 47 mil.

While I would love to see a stratios that is cheaper than an ishtar, it ain't gonna happen.

OK, so, looking over community feedback, we have one or two die-hard supporters of the nestor, and everyone else disproves of the change, and the ship in general.

CCP, back to you

if you replaced some of the DOmis in a group with a some Nestors the total rep power of the group goes up, in exchange for some applied damage against smaller ships. The Nestor has more native Armor and Structure, gets a resist bonus and will no have a lower sig radius, so its tank should be better, than the Domi.

This does not apply to situations where isk efficient applies obviously since trading a two nesters for five enemy domis will leave you on the short end.

It is still not cost effective, I can throw away 5 Domi's for the price of a Nestor. That is the number one reason it is an underused ship. Its cost keeps it out of play, and in order to make it comparable cost effective against other "like" ships it would need to come down to 300-400m which will likely never ever happen.

The simplest and easiest way to make this ship effective is to push it into a role that is currently not being filled by other ships, make it worth its cost. As I said Black Ops logistics is currently a role that is not filled, you can gimmick up some ships to do it, you could run logi T3's or heck even RR Sins. but the role of dedicated logi for black ops is nonexistent atm. The Nestor is the perfect fit and its ship line supports the role of a Black Ops logistics vessel.

Its current ship bonuses are what keeps it out of play, they do not stack up against the cost and never will as long as there are other much much cheaper ships to fill that same role.

We have the same people who didn't like the marauder changes vs the people who actually fly battleships in pvp.

another direction for the nestor could be a fun new role, a "white ops" ship

allow the ship maint array to fit up to a frig in size, but then only allow SoE ships in the array. so you can carry one SoE frig.

provide on grid fleet bonus for maneuverability and speed boost for rescuing trapped ships.

and provide a new module only usable on the nestor that will interdict any ewar functionality of the targeted ship or deployable, (shuts down scrams, bubbles, tp's, webs) but doubles the effect of the same ewar directed at the nestor.

give the big boy the ability to act as a sacrificial lamb to rescue a tackled ship.

possibly even the ability to have a specialized jump drive that can jump to a tackled fleet member.

make it the wild card in a conflict

that kind of sounds like you want it too have warfare links .. skirmish and information warfare links

This. Remember all that marauder hate?

Cost is holding the nestor back. Get it into the Navy Geddon/Rattlesnake price range and watch.

Why don't give the nestor the ability to carry at least two fitted frigates, or restrict her bay to be able to hold only SoE ships? (I'd prefer simply the first)

If you think about it, the orca can hold two hulks, refit in space, use links, have massive cargo hold, a hugh EHP potential and so on, for 600 mils, the nestor, for the amazing pricetag of 1.3 bil, can remote repair, scan and hack sites, and now refit in space. A bit underwhelming, isn't it?

Anyway if you see the nestor is too OP with a proper ship bay, you can nerf it back in the next release in september, that's the good part with the patches so close to each other.

+1 for billion isk instant mobile depots! No longer shall we wait for the mobile depot to anchor when flying supercaps, just toss out a nestor!

Orca is a Capital ship.... not a Battleship thats why....

A Nestor's rep is equivalent to about 2.5 guardians.
And if you are roaming through wormholes, are you going to stop and build a carrier in each system you come across?

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Good luck refitting on the fly if you have to move with an Orca.

Gotta love PL logic

weird since it has large rigs rather than capitals .. and is allowed in HS .. although JF's are too like,

Correct, while freighter, jf and orca use capital components to be build, the orca has been battleship sized in rigs, EHP and powergrid since day one, and her massive amount of EHP (my top fit was 427k) are part of her features due to the large pool of structure. If you check orca's shield and armor are the ones of a BS.

I'm not saying to turn the nestor into an orca, i'm just saying to add a zero to that ship maintnance bay.

The Nestor already has approximately half the mass of other battleships.

Reasoning for the 5000 m3 bay? Well, the art does have a shuttle bay on it