Lowered activation cost for 100MN Micro Warp Drives
Capacitor activation cost is cut in half for all 100MN Micro Warp Drives.

Oh man this is big!

Oh man this is big!

Secondly, we are adding a new function to the Nestor that fits well with its role as a group support vessel. We are giving the Nestor a 5000m3 Ship Maintenance Bay that will allow friendly ships to refit when they are nearby.

And finally, we are reducing the Nestor's signature radius a bit from the current 465m to 420m.

We know that some of you will be unsatisfied with the fact that we're not adding covert cloak or jump drive capabilities or some other completely new role to the Nestor with this pass. We won't rule out the possibility of future changes but we are first going to observe the results of these adjustments in Hyperion.
-Fozzie

I think people complaining about the Nestor having no uses are being incredibly uncreative.

If the price comes down, as with this change it should, then I can envision quite a few uses for it.

You guys got to think outside of the box :).

Give it 5000 m3 cargo bay instead ;)

Now seriosly:
Astero has T2 ship ability - covert op cloak
Stratios has T2 ship ability - covert op cloak, 5/5/5 layout and way biggest cargo hold among all cruisers
Gnosis has 6/6/6 layout and biggest cargohold among all BC ( even bigger, than all T1 BS )
Nestor should have bigger cargo hold, than a T2 BS, 7/6/7 layout (cause 7/7/7 would make it OP) and T2 ability. If we can not get covert op cloak, give it at least bastion mode module.

Fleet hangar, big enough to transport fitted mining barge, frigate and industrial ship, can be actually attractive for WH solo tourists, who wants to bring all his stuff with him in one ship. Especially if that ship can be anchored and used as shielded POS with 0 powergrid and 0 CPU ;)

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Make it like a utility platform like marauders, give it a 100% damage bonus to lasers, reduce the turrets to 3 and give it a useful fitting and cap(the current one is still a joke, it needs 600m in T2 BS sized RR rigs to power up medium reps, yes medium not even large) to mount RR, Puls and tank at the same time. Reduce the sig even further to 380m since it just takes even with the resist bonus more damage than most other BS by the big sig from my experience and give it around 2-2.5k more base armor hit points to make it overall less squishy and more practical without a plate. Maybe add another 100% to the RR range bonus, since this is also something that vastly limits its use currently for stuff like Incs. Another thing would be to give it finally the 10 target slots like Logis and Marauders have them, to be more attractive in the Logi role and multi task better(lock stuff to shoot and RR at the same time).

I've been intrigued by the Nestor since I started playing Eve - the flexibility to adapt to different roles appeals to me. I've created generalist characters that dabble in many areas of the New Eden sandbox, why not a generalist ship?

One problem has been price. For less than the cost of a Nestor I can buy an Onerios for logistics, a Stratios for exploration and a Rattlesnake for combat - each much better in its specialized role than the Nestor.

The idea of adding a ship maintenance bay, presumably with fleet fitting service, got me thinking about the ship again. The ability to refit on the fly has been available since the mobile depot was introduced but built in and fleet accessible adds considerable value. The perfect spot for a ship with these capabilities is wormhole space but a lot of wormholes have a 20 million kg mass restriction and it would be nice if we could shrink Nestor to that level GÇô call it a GÇ£PocketGÇ¥ Battleship. IGÇÖd be willing to give up half the drone bay, some cargo space, a high slot and some tank to achieve this. To compensate, a lighter ship should be better able to speed tank.

I see the ship being fit for one role at a time with primary roles being:
* fleet support GÇô logistics including a full squadron of heavy logistic drones, fleet fitting service and I would really like to see a command link.
* sniper GÇô sentry drones and range bonus for lasers GÇô should be a good choice for level 4 missions.
* wormhole exploration GÇô role bonuses for scanning and hacking. Can fit a conventional cloak.

I would like the logistics skill added to the requirement to fly this ship with the logistic bonuses tied to this skill. Should also be a bonus for logistic drones.

As a smaller ship closer in size to a Battle Cruiser the price from the LP store can be reduced GÇô perhaps 400,000 LP instead of 600,000. This would help bring the market price down and current owners could receive a refund of 200,000 SOE LP.

I donGÇÖt think this ship would be overpowered GÇô it isnGÇÖt the best at any role. Its strength is the ability to switch roles which will be very valuable in wormhole space and attractive to people (like me) who own and love their Leatherman tool.

I would definitely buy one.

I appreciate that the Nestor is still getting changes, but I still won't fly mine in it's current state.

I actually think adding a ship maintenance bay makes the problem worse, not better. One of the main problems the Nestor has right now is that it really doesn't have a role, or the focus, to give it purpose. Ever since the stats were finalized players have asked the same question: 'Why?'

Adding a maintenance bay just takes the ship one step closer to a carrier, and at since the cost is the same most people would rather USE a carrier for the same function. I know the Nestor is supposed to be a wormhole vessel, but without a cloak it's really a sitting duck in there anyways. If a carrier is unavailable then logistics ships are cheaper and easier to replace.

I'd go as far as saying the maintenance bay is a step in the wrong direction. It really doesn't give the Nestor a purpose, it just makes it more like a carrier, for the same price point.

If you want to make the Nestor more useful, give the Nestor more of a wormhole focus. I know a covert ops cloak is out of the picture but for me the ideal change would be losing the probe strength and encryption bonuses, which don't work as well on a BS sized hull, in exchange for the Nestor to be invisible, or highly resistant, to probe scans. It wouldn't do anything when the enemy was on top of you, but it would be ALMOST as good as a cloak when trying to hide or setting up ambushes.

That may be the purpose, but I don't know many people that would dedicate that much ISK on a roam when they could take a logistics, and still outfit 3-4 other people for the same price as a single Nestor. The benefit just isn't worth it.

If the group DID have that much ISK to commit, most groups usually go with a hot drop carrier. It's the same price, and does the job better in most regards.

Its a support battleship that is ideal for small roaming gangs.

Maybe extra 0.5 au/s warp speed coudl be the buff needed to make it excel on that role...

No need. Its not all that hard to get 3au out of any battleship.

What are you smoking? Run the eft numbers, 2 guardians put out 20% more reps then 1 nestor and 1 feeder guardian, or 2 spider nestors. And 2 guardians do it for fraction of the price, do it up to 70km vs 21km, are faster, tankier, hardier vs ECM, lock 2 times faster, and have way less sig.

And if you need talisman sets to make a ship work, thats an automatic fail.

Thanks no thanks.

Yet most people seems to not think its worth. Maybe the nestor just need a different metagame to shine. .. maybe after sov is completely changed upside down.. maybe.

No need. Its not all that hard to get 3au out of any battleship.

A T2 hyperspace rig and a 15% warp speed implant still doesn't get a 2AU to 3AU. What do you think "not hard" qualifies as?

Cant go roaming in a carrier.

I think you need to check your math. 50% bonus, that means you get a free repper for every two you stick on it.
In this case, that's 9 RR modules effectively. So unless you're not doing cap chains on your Guardians a single Nestor reps more.

If you're running a pair of 4/1 Guardians, that's 8 RR modules to 9. Run with 3 people, you're doing 18 RR modules to the triple Guardians 12.

Nestor has more mids so it can do more funky stuff like double Sebo's which put it's lock times to comparable with Guardians. It can run WAY more ECCM. It's also got a full flight of bonused heavy/sentry drones. Guardians don't thrown down 400-500 dps each while doing reps.

It's not a replacement of Guardians, never said it was. But it's got some pretty good strengths and if the hull wasn't worth nearly a carrier, we'd see it a lot more. If you're an Incursion runner or a low end WH group, it's worth a look into once the price drops.

Yes you can. its called a cyno loki/proteus/absolution.

baltec, there hasnt been a single nestor-based roam in EVE since the ship came out. That tells you something.

A T2 hyperspace rig and a 15% warp speed implant still doesn't get a 2AU to 3AU. What do you think "not hard" qualifies as?

He means you need to put 2bil of implants in your head to make the ship marginally useful in warp speed alone.

I think he defends Nestor too much, as quick glance doesnt show a single kill in a nestor on his profile.

baltec1, show us you actually used the nestor in a roam, and we will tip our hats to you. Otherwise, stop defending something you yourself dont use.

I run into vindicators with cynos fairly often; we use bhaalgorns almost every day; machariels are seen here and there on occasion - killed one on a roam a few months back.

it happens.

Not so with nestor.