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virm pasuul
Mine 'N' Refine Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:21:00 -
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Does anyone need quick instructions on how to block posts from him so they don't appear? Only 10 isk....... |
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:26:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. Yeah, sometimes the customer *isn't* right. Sometimes the customer is a whiny, entitled brat and needs to be told to stfu for awhile. Every once in awhile (as with Dinsdale's whining) it's a good idea to prune the tree of entitlement.
Never said the customer was right. I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager. |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
89
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:26:00 -
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CCP Leeloo wrote:I'd just like to give a huge thank you to the CSM for their dedication to assisting in taking care of this.
They've been amazing through this, and have been willing to show up for all the scheduled meetings that we've had at short notice at ridiculous time with a very clear, constructive and unified voice on what should be done to fix this problem. This all during pretty much every member of the CSM working hard to prepare for the Summer Summit.
<3 them all.
Thanks also to all of you guys for your feedback, your comments, and sharing your feelings on this, as it's something the community team also feels very strongly about. <3
First, your response to all of this has been fairly rapid and thank you for the time so many of you are putting in to resolve the issue. But...
I'm just wondering what exactly the community team feels very strongly about? What a player is accused of doing or all the various things that led to this being allowed to happen, even IF much of that may be related to internal communication and administration issues. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20224
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:27:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. Customers like you probably should. Great input. Lucas and I disagree on much, in this case he's bang on the money.
He managed to put more into this thread with 5 words than you have in multiple posts.
You being a customer of CCP is voluntary, if you don't like the service being offered you are free to stop paying for it and to take your business elsewhere.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
793
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:36:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:Never said the customer was right. It was certainly implied.
Sketchy Bob wrote: I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager.
He's doing what he can within the NDA and you and I disagree on what his "attitude" should be.
I think he's fine. Bob is the god of Wormholes.
That's all you need to know. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:38:00 -
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Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. Senex Legio |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
89
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:40:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again.
No. He sells codes that must be redeemed. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20224
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:42:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager. He's doing what he can within the NDA and you and I disagree on what his "attitude" should be. I think he's fine. Agreed I'd much rather see CCP's community representatives telling it how it is than feeding us a load of crap from some derp, who has probably never played Eve, in marketing/PR.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
213
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:49:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. No. He sells codes that must be redeemed.
But if the code is not redeemed, it is possible to sell it over and over right? Senex Legio |
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager. He's doing what he can within the NDA and you and I disagree on what his "attitude" should be. I think he's fine. Agreed I'd much rather see CCP's community representatives telling it how it is than feeding us a load of crap from some derp, who has probably never played Eve, in marketing/PR.
I think you guys may have misread what I wrote. How would it be against some NDA for him and CSM to focus on having these meetings/talks that they need to have, rather than sitting here and making back patting posts?
I am all for Falcon being the one delivering the information rather than some marketing/PR people. What I was saying was trying (obviously poorly) to say was that they should focus on getting that information and/or coming to a conclusion about if they see it as RMT or not.
Once that has been done then please go wild with the back patting thank you posts. The work has to be done before credit and appraisal (is that even the right word?) can be given.
Ps. While CSM does a great job, they also knew what they were getting into. These kind of emergencies is nothing new in EVE or with CCP. They would not have gotten into if they didn't like the excitement and occasional stress elements like this. :) |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20224
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:53:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. No. He sells codes that must be redeemed. But if the code is not redeemed, it is possible to sell it over and over right? If the code is not redeemed, there's no PLEX to buy, or sell.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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CCP Falcon
8102
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:58:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:So on a more serious note. Do we have any estimates on when we might get to hear useful? Falcon?
Has there been any progress internally? I am not asking for details (all though they would be nice to have). Are the meetings moving forward or are you guys stuck?
The meetings are moving forward for sure, and I'm working on bringing you guys some more information, hopefully tomorrow. I'll be working most of the evening to make sure that stuff is still moving forward.
Please rest assured that the Community Team are taking this extremely seriously, and we're making sure that this the concerns of the community are addressed and that what happens is appropriate for the situation.
Ace Boogi wrote:I was happy that CCP Falcon said 'nobody is too big to fail in Eve'.
I stand by this, no one is above the rules in EVE.
Bad Bobby wrote:It looks like there's blood on the dancefloor again.
Disco inferno time.
Ruric Thyase wrote:I wonder if EVEBet has any action on the outcome of this
Not that I'm aware of.
Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again.
This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
3
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:04:00 -
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Not much, but it is very good to hear that it's moving forward and get a rough estimate on when we might hear something. Thank you Falcon.
Jake Rivers, As people have said, the code would have had to be redeemed for it to become a plex. I believe the codes come with a "not for resell" sticker/notice and that would have been to big of a nono and set of the alarms much sooner. The RMT issue is right on the line if it's ok or not and I was easier to try and keep under the radar. |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
Please rest assured that the Community Team are taking this extremely seriously, and we're making sure that this the concerns of the community are addressed and that what happens is appropriate for the situation.
What of CCP's other departments?
After all (and please don't misunderstand) this is not a situation CM decides on, it has a different set of tasks here (not envying you either way).
Reason I ask, is because in many ways this situation is a test of CCP as a whole. There's the venture, there's the game, it hasn't been an easy year - I'm sure you understand the interdependancies here.
It can't be easy for the old folks either. Regardless of mistakes or events unfolding, once again it's bumping into something coming from customers going overboard. Regardless of whether willfully or not. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
215
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon if you were suspicious of this happening, and I certainly am not the first to come up with that angle, it is possible for someone to do this and completely abuse the system in a smooth RMT operation.
I do hope you recognize that Sommerblink is doing money laundering one way or another, it can't be helped with the massive amounts of ISK they handle on a daily basis, there must be some point where 'greed' takes over to convert these gaming assets into cold hard cash.
Anyways, if you saved any of that Crown Royal, tonight would be a good night to have a shot or two. ;) Senex Legio |
Arec Bardwin
1503
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:14:00 -
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Let's hope this is fixed once and for all this time. We really don't need a Somer of Rage 2015. |
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CCP Leeloo
C C P C C P Alliance
379
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 -
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111010110 wrote: What of CCP's other departments?
The rest of CCP is taking this situation extremely seriously too.
CCP Leeloo | CSM Coordinator | Russian Community Coordinator | @ccp_leeloo |
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Lasse R Farnsworth
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:22:00 -
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Concerning the selling the plex over and over again:
If the popup with "Do you want isk or a plex ?" comes before going to markee dragon somer COULD make an thing like every x isk buyer goes to this alternate paysite .. you know good old man in the middle thing ... so markee wouldn't see the money, ccp wouldn'T see the money ..
Just saying .. you know would be easy to scam markee from some % of the sales ... |
NFain
Elysian. Orderly Misconduct
74
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:25:00 -
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I'm still slightly concerned on what's actually being investigated
From my understanding 1) legality of the issue via EULA/TOS 2) correspondence between CCP VP & Somer
However wasn't this issue handled a little more than a year ago? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290929
Or will these answers come in due time? |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2882
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:28:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...?
NO! BAD! DO NOT DRINK THE DINSDALE KOOL-AID! De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
274
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:29:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:CCP Falcon and CCP Leeloo have been very open to our questions and the questions that we have brought forward from the community starting from last night. I've recently been asked about accounts used for businesses and what account usage qualifies as a business reference this part of the EULA: Quote:"Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."
Quality. This is why I voted for you [and Psychotic Monk lol] https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331004 - thank me later |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
467
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:30:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case.
It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent.
For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale. |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
635
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:30:00 -
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Wow. What a mess.
No bonus rooms? Songs to sing? Anything?
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2882
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:35:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks? And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind. Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress. I hope so - it would be a return to days of old when the Dev's told the whiny brats off every once in awhile. I salute our non-**** taking overlords. Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input.
You do have another option. By all means, feel free to exercise it. De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
24
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:38:00 -
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Lallante wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case. It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent. For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale.
Actually, no one sells GTC's any longer. It is all done in PLEX (Or new accounts that include small perks and the first month of play through a CD key.) |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
709
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:39:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...? I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours.
A question is not rumor. Past internal actions within CCP has had serious in and out of game consequences. This yet-another-round of baffling events naturally brings up these serious questions. I would be amazed if CCP IA is not a part of this as well right now.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2882
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:42:00 -
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NFain wrote:I'm still slightly concerned on what's actually being investigated and what there is to investigate. From my understanding 1) legality of the issue via EULA/TOS 2) correspondence between CCP VP & Somer However wasn't this issue handled a little more than a year ago? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290929Or will these answers come in due time? It was.
And then this happened making it the second time Some and Markee have been dragged over the coals for this kind of thing. Now, were this any other player, they wouldn't have gotten a second chance - bans would have been distributed and that would have been the end of the matter.
If they get a third chance, things are going to turn ugly very quickly. How ugly will be largely determined by why they got that third chance. De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Align Planet1
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:44:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:Lallante wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case. It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent. For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale. Actually, no one sells GTC's any longer. It is all done in PLEX (Or new accounts that include small perks and the first month of play through a CD key.)
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-etc-is-dead-long-live-the-plex-activation-code |
Lallante
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
467
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:52:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:Lallante wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case. It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent. For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale. Actually, no one sells GTC's any longer. It is all done in PLEX (Or new accounts that include small perks and the first month of play through a CD key.)
No. You can call them GTCs (the old name) or call them "redeemable plex activation codes" (the new name), but they arent plex they are a one time redeemable code. |
Annie Getyourgun
Snow Leopard Situs
24
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:54:00 -
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Align Planet1 wrote:Annie Getyourgun wrote:Lallante wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case. It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent. For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale. Actually, no one sells GTC's any longer. It is all done in PLEX (Or new accounts that include small perks and the first month of play through a CD key.) http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-etc-is-dead-long-live-the-plex-activation-code
Yes thank you for that link. I was trying to avoid any embarrassment regarding lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. |
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