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Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:47:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Ace Boogi wrote:
Somer is evil, Somer is ******, Somer us the most evil person in the world and eats babies blah blah blah
Yeah... no witch hunt here A witch hunt implies we're operating in a mob mentality, fueled by emotion alone, looking for a criminal when no crime was committed.
I don't think this is a witch hunt. Somer got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, yet again.
I'm simply pointing out what kind of person I've found him to be... and it isn't the altruistic service providet. |
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?
And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.
Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress. |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:49:00 -
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Andski wrote:I was responding to this: Ace Boogi wrote:The wording on blink last time and this time around is hilarious, he makes it sound like the affiliate money is only to help pay for server costs, implying that he actually uses his own money maintaining the site and that the ETC sales only help out a bit. However, how I remember it someone calculated he had made over 100K USD off this as of the last scandal in 2013, and that was a very conservative figure. I also recall mention of business locations, data centers, etc., being purchased - someone on the forums here had done research into the real-life Somer, including looking at public records, and while I cannot verify the veracity of those claims, they were pretty damning if indeed true. Well, the figures I remember from last year were actually in the 200k+ USD range, but I went with saying 100k as I couldn't be arsed to go back and look for the initial claims which are buried deep in the threads from last year if not deleted. Either way, they cannot be verified. It's just food for thought for those who want to say things like 'the affiliate money goes to help offset server costs'. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10937
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:49:00 -
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they're limited in the information they can release right now Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
617
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:50:00 -
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I personally love how a CCP VP thinks that it is good practice to give permission for this via email to someone at a '[email protected]' email address. I can only assume that CCP has a name and mailing address for the out of game entity on record (especially since they trusted them with cash value prizes last year).
As I pointed out last year, Somer doesn't do business except as his in game identity and this raises the whole operation into question. His website, unlike for instance Chribba's, is registered to an anonymous entity, and there are no contacts outside of the in game infrastructure. In other words - they are a purely in game entity and folks at CCP should not be giving them special permission to do anything - it's just plain bad business.
I do thank Falcon for a quick response this time - but there seems to be an endemic problem regarding what is and what is not appropriate interactions with what are basically in game entities. CCP's ability to remain unbiased adjudicators of their game is called into question when things like this happen.
And frankly, the fact that it stinks of Markee Dragon, yet again? I am not sure why they are allowed to continue to sell ETC's. How many attempts at supporting RMT does it take? |
Lauresh Thellere
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks? And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind. Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.
Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it. |
Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:58:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere, we can make a new thread where we thank them for their time. But this thread is to address the "Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink". :) |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
618
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote: Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.
I will never support being a complete jerk to anyone - but the people who are working their asses off are only doing it because they didn't take appropriate action a year ago. So while they have my respect for their current work, you have to pardon some of us if we aren't exactly sympathetic. |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2877
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:
Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?
And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.
Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress.
I'm not going to use a lot of flowery words to respond to this. I will say only this:
If you truly believe that Falcon isn't doing his best to represent us, then unsub and GTFO. You're being a jackass for no reason and attacking someone who is bending over backwards to try and get this sorted out. Stop being a douche canoe. De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3812
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:02:00 -
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loving falcon's realtalk
there are some in the thread talking badly of somer's motivations, and mike azariah asked on page eight 'what do you want to happen?', so here's an opinion
it would be possible, through the investigation and final decision on what action to take, to assume good intent on somer's part (or on the part of whoever was involved in creating this promotion). but i don't think somer should be given that credit. it's not plausible in my mind that this was anything but a deliberate attempt to work an isk->money trade, within the guidelines for gtc selling laid by ccp, and knowlingly against the spirit of those guidelines.
ofc this is almost certainly something everybody's already realised. but i'm going to give my opinion anyway because frankly my opinion is the most important and also i'm great |
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Xtreem
PERPIDE Ineluctable.
206
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:04:00 -
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The thing that strikes me about this, such a simple thing but i feel it speaks volumes.
Chribba, one of the most honest and free standing even players, giving mountains of time and free sites that we all use and known for being such an honest person spoke out about it, and EVEN sounded slightly jaded over it...
anything that gets to the point of this man speaking out about it is a very bad thing for eve as a whole.
I would like all people involved in any proven RMT actions having any assets involved removed, it would be hard to know who was in on the RMT if any happened due to its nature so i feel just removing the assets and being upfront on what was removed would be a step in the right directions. |
POS Trader
Merchants of Lore
9
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:06:00 -
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Big Lynx wrote:CCP, I have a part time job in real-life. I am not rich, living in 70m-¦ flat with my wife who is actually unemployed. However, I managed to be trillionaire in your genious game called EvE. Do I have your permission to flip some of my iskies to rl cash to buy a car or some cool stuff like Somer did?
Envy much?
Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate.
So, is CCP willing to cut off funding from Amazon because some people don't like SOMER making money from the same program? You can't cut off SOMER specifically - he could just say, buy this plex from Amazon with my referral link and I'll give you extra ISK for that. So, either cut them all off and CCP sells PLEX only directly, without any commission to anyone therefore losing business partners, or don't.
I'm in the camp where I don't really care either way. To me what SOMER is doing is nothing wrong. CCP is paying him $$$ for PLEX referrals and he is sucking in as much referrals as he can by incentivizing people that buy PLEXes, to use his referral links.
Therefore this boils down to envy. People that suffer from it, should deal with it.
PS. If you are spending so much time in EVE that you have trillions of ISK, perhaps spending more time away from EVE would allow you to get RL cash instead and you could buy said car or some other cool stuff like Somer did without spending all the time and other resources on a stupid imaginary money gambling site.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5830
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:07:00 -
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I think the CSM concept is flawed and was implemented for all the wrong reasons.
That said, I'll not **** on the individuals that seem to be doing their level best to do what you all voted them into the CSM to do. If there's one thing the majority of the forum community is good at, it's shooting the messenger.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Lauresh Thellere
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:14:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote: Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.
I will never support being a complete jerk to anyone - but the people who are working their asses off are only doing it because they didn't take appropriate action a year ago. So while they have my respect for their current work, you have to pardon some of us if we aren't exactly sympathetic.
This CSM wasn't elected a year ago. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
171
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:16:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:Argus Sorn wrote:Lauresh Thellere wrote: Sigh, I wrote this cool response about how you're being a **** to people who are exhausted from working their asses off the last day or two and have had little to no sleep but the forums ate it.
I will never support being a complete jerk to anyone - but the people who are working their asses off are only doing it because they didn't take appropriate action a year ago. So while they have my respect for their current work, you have to pardon some of us if we aren't exactly sympathetic. This CSM wasn't elected a year ago.
Good thing the CSM has no say in what punishments Somer should have received a year ago. Especially given it's clear he's referring to CCP's actions. Reading comprehension yo. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1381
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:17:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere wrote:
This CSM wasn't elected a year ago.
A few of us were and we have decent memories.
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Le Petite More
Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective
89
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:18:00 -
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Bad CCP for not fixing this the first time. Please ban him. |
Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
168
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:20:00 -
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The one thing I know that will happen is Falcon will sort this out, id put whisky on it twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á TDSIN Recruitment Director : Join 'TDSIN pub' Glasgow Meet Organiser
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Sketchy Bob
Mother caking corp
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:24:00 -
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So on a more serious note. Do we have any estimates on when we might get to hear useful? Falcon?
Has there been any progress internally? I am not asking for details (all though they would be nice to have). Are the meetings moving forward or are you guys stuck? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5902
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:24:00 -
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Glasgow Dunlop wrote:The one thing I know that will happen is Falcon will sort this out, id put whisky on it
Yeah I hear that his investigative skills & ability to comprehend the information provided to make the correct decisions is unrivaled at CCP. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10937
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:26:00 -
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POS Trader wrote:Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate.
buy this rock for $200 and i'll buy a piece of trit from you for 15 billion isk
that way i'm losing money this can't possibly be against the rules right Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Big Lynx
Destructive Mechanics Quam'Nocent
600
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:27:00 -
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POS Trader wrote:Big Lynx wrote:CCP, I have a part time job in real-life. I am not rich, living in 70m-¦ flat with my wife who is actually unemployed. However, I managed to be trillionaire in your genious game called EvE. Do I have your permission to flip some of my iskies to rl cash to buy a car or some cool stuff like Somer did? Envy much?
My wealth is my health, my friends and my family . All other things are just pixels... |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:34:00 -
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One thing that's been brought up a number of times in this thread is the whole paying ISK for content on themittani.com (or EN24 but TMC gets more attention).
Whether you want to define that as RMT or not is up to you. The important thing is that CCP says that practice --paying ISK for Eve-related content monetized by ads or such-- is officially allowed, and anyone can do it. I can start Klyith's Eve News dotcom and pay people isk for articles just like Mittani does. Someone from BNI could create Brave Newsbies and do the same. Mr. Pirhana could do Dinsdale's CCP Weather News (tagline: "where the sky is always falling!") and assuming he could find anyone to write articles, exchange isk for revenue. It's a level playing field.
The issue with Somer is that historically they were not treated equally. Somer has a isk-for-referrals program that operated for quite some time before people caused a ruckus last year, and CCP only stopped when other people started imitating it. I suspect that everyone in eve could create their own advertising-monetized Eve news & opinions websites and CCP would be fine with it. ;) |
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope Gallente Federation
457
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:37:00 -
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I find it very telling that a VP of Sales would be in personal contact with a simple reseller. How the **** do you remove a signature? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5831
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:40:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:I find it very telling that a VP of Sales would be in personal contact with a simple reseller.
I find it very telling that you have no idea how small this community is. Everyone who has been playing for a while knows everyone else and are often on a first name basis with them.
All the tin foil in here makes my teeth hurt.
ed ~ And Somer is anything but a 'simple reseller'. He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course, the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
273
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:45:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:I find it very telling that a VP of Sales would be in personal contact with a simple reseller. He isn't even the reseller, Markee is. Somer is basically just a player. It is very unsettling that he has these kinds of connections and personal relationships with CCP employees. He is supposed to be a pod pilot, not a business partner. Something something about it being against the EULA to operate an account for business purposes... |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:46:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:I find it very telling that a VP of Sales would be in personal contact with a simple reseller. Nah, sales is always easy to reach. That's what they do, communicate and sell the game.
CCP allows resellers to run some types of limited promotions. For example, buy a ETC code from Reseller X and get a bonus code for a skinned Catalyst (look at all the Catalyst variants in the game, many of those are from that type of promotion). I assume their sales department is who handles those types of promotions.
Somer wording his PLEX buyback system as a "promotion" in the same vein as those normal events is what got him the official ok he was looking to cover his ass. It's pretty obviously in bad faith if you know the game, but as some CSM people have pointed out the sales and legal teams probably don't have a deep understanding of the game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10942
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:47:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:He's a major contributor to events large and small. From fanfest to EVE Vegas. Of course the marketing dept would be very familiar with him.]
tell us more about somer blink being a charity Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23950
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:GǪbarfGǪ Frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. You also have no idea how deep we have to dig to investigate this, given the sheer number of transactions that this service generates. If you'd like to rumor mill as usual, do it elsewhere, or be prepared to lose your ability to post on this forum. =ƒÆP
Abrazzar wrote:It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths. Agh! I've had my sig for half a decade and now you come along and challenge it for sheer awesomeness? Decisions, decisionsGǪ
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Hey, look at the quote of mine that he embedded and then threatened me with a banhammer for. Not one shred of a rumour, but that is what the threat is for. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. It did not contain any rumours, just unfounded speculation about how things should be handled. He then warned you that your usual rumour-mongering GÇö you know, the usual nonsensical claims you spout about the inner workings of CCP GÇö would not be tolerated in this case. Now look at what you're doing in that last sentence of yoursGǪ
POS Trader wrote:Unless CCP stops ALL referral money, a business transaction, then this situation is unavoidable. SOMER does not directly exchange ISK -> $$$. What happens is he's incentivizing purchasing of PLEX through his referral program by paying more ISK for the PLEX than market price in Jita. This way he's losing ISK, and supposedly gaining *some* additional revenue. How much additional revenue? That's up to debate. There's no need to stop referral money. They just have to be very clear that you are not allowed to incentivise a real-life transaction of any kind with an in-game transaction of any kind (or vice versa).
And by GÇ£be very clearGÇ¥ I mean, GÇ£they have always been very clear so just shout it louder and don't accept any kind of silly work-aroundsGÇ¥. You are entirely free to do a transaction that involves 1 trit on one end and 1bn ISK on the other without any repercussions. You are also entirely free to engage in cash kickback schemes and ad revenue and whathaveyou to support the out-of-game efforts of other players, such as server hosting and bandwidth fees and the like. It's when you mix the two, when you use one as a quid-pro-quo for the other, that you dive headlong into the putrid ditch of RMT. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Edward Harris
Lazerhawks
32
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:50:00 -
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Andski wrote:
tell us more about somer blink being a charity
He makes a profit, so he must be a criminal. Burn the witch!
Reading this forum makes one lose all hope in humanity..
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