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Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
467
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:56:00 -
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Annie Getyourgun wrote:[Yes thank you for that link. I was trying to avoid any embarrassment regarding lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. 
Its just a name change really. Its still a code, it still is exchangable for game time through plex. |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
215
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:59:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Annie Getyourgun wrote:Lallante wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:Another thing I was just thinking about, if Sommerblink are buying the plex that players are buying from Markee Dragon, is Markee Dragon buying these plex from Sommerblink at a greatly reduced price to resell back to the players?
In this scenario CCP suffers greatly in loss of Plex sales because sommerblink and markee dragon will just keep recycling the same plex over and over again. This was a prime suspicion of mine too, and is not the case. It's pretty embaressing for both you and CCP that you would publically admit that, as it shows a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of how PLEX/GTCs/MD work. I do hope you were disabused of that notion BEFORE you started posting all the "I agree with the mob view on this" posts, because representing CCP as you do, posting such things without even understanding the framework in which the arguments lie, let alone the actual facts, would be pretty negligent. For those still wondering: MD dont buy or sell plexs, they sell GTCs which can be (one time) converted into plexs. Its only after that conversion that blink buys the plex from the player. Nothing can be "sold back" to MD for resale. Actually, no one sells GTC's any longer. It is all done in PLEX (Or new accounts that include small perks and the first month of play through a CD key.) No. You can call them GTCs (the old name) or call them "redeemable plex activation codes" (the new name), but they arent plex they are a one time redeemable code.
Of course they are a one time redeemable code, but was sommerblink buying back the code, or making the player redeem his code and transfer a plex via contract to sommerblink? If sommerblink was simply buying the plex code, this could be used over and over again.
Senex Legio |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5833
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:06:00 -
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Jake Rivers wrote:
Of course they are a one time redeemable code, but was sommerblink buying back the code, or making the player redeem his code and transfer a plex via contract to sommerblink? If sommerblink was simply buying the plex code, this could be used over and over again.
Well, since Falcon said that's not the case you can put it to bed now and find another conspiracy to champion.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:21:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jake Rivers wrote:
Of course they are a one time redeemable code, but was sommerblink buying back the code, or making the player redeem his code and transfer a plex via contract to sommerblink? If sommerblink was simply buying the plex code, this could be used over and over again.
Well, since Falcon said that's not the case you can put it to bed now and find another conspiracy to champion. Mr Epeen
I like your shades. I need to get me some of those.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CroisisCZ
Everyone vs Everything
THE R0NIN
21
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:25:00 -
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There seems to be several opinions about what is RMT and what is not so could someone from CCP please make a clear statement?
EXAMPLE 1: CCP has a contract with MD/SC/Amazon/Santa Claus, those people sell GTCs (PLEX activation codes or whatever it is called now) that CCP provides to them, CCP gets payed, reseller gets a cut. No biggie, normal business model, there is no ingame connection or benefits, therefore no danger of RMT.
EXAMPLE 2: This first tier reseller decides to "subcontract" those codes provided by CCP on the similar terms so CCP gets payed, tier 1 gets his cut and shares it with tier 2 subcontractor. If this Subcontractor has no affiliation with the game itself, there should be no problem (if CCP sanctions subcontracting at all ofc).
EXAMPLE 3: This tier 2 subcontractor is an active player... this is where things get problematic IMHO. As long as this referral does not come with any "catch" or bonus from the provider, things should be OK...
EXAMPLE 4: There is a "catch", "bonus", "advantage" or benefit of some kind. ISK, ships, modules or basically any ingame items mean RMT to me. C/D?
EXAMPLE 5: This "bonus" comes in a form of third party service connected to the game. For example you get access to a special section of a website, get better/more/faster information, special functions etc... Is this RMT? IMHO it should be. C/D?
EXAMPLE 6: This "bonus" comes in a form of third party service or items not connected to EVE Online... For example If you use my referral code, I will send you NSFW photos of my girlfriend / teacup with my logo etc... Is this RMT? IMHO not but shady nonetheless. C/D?
As far as promos go, they are ofc a common thing these days but they should be limited to tier 1 contractors, problem solved. Or even better, just dont allow your partners to subcontract GTCs and none of this will ever happen again. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:39:00 -
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CroisisCZ wrote:a clear statement
This would only benefit those that would abuse the system and hide behind technicalities. If it remotely smells of RMT, stay away from it or expect a hammer from the sky. A grey area and uncertainty is necessary.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics |
CroisisCZ
Everyone vs Everything
THE R0NIN
21
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:52:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:
This would only benefit those that would abuse the system and hide behind technicalities. If it remotely smells of RMT, stay away from it or expect a hammer from the sky. A grey area and uncertainty is necessary.
I am aware of the fact that CCP uses this argument but it also means that people like Somer will keep trying to outsmart them and keep looking for loopholes. Add to it how easily was he able to get away with his last scheme and you are set for a s**tstorm we see now. Come on, EVE has a very special community and people here just love to take pitchforks and torches when there is a chance for a good witch hunt and refusing to make a clear statement that everyone caught with their hands dirty will be dealt with just adding fuel to the fire. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5835
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:59:00 -
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CroisisCZ wrote:
I am aware of the fact that CCP uses this argument but it also means that people like Somer will keep trying to outsmart them and keep looking for loopholes. Add to it how easily was he able to get away with his last scheme and you are set for a s**tstorm we see now.
**** storm?
You must be new. You obviously have no idea what a real forum **** storm looks like. This is a mild whine.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Boom McCondor
State War Academy
Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:02:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:virm pasuul wrote:Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...? I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours. A question is not rumor. Past internal actions within CCP has had serious in and out of game consequences. This yet-another-round of baffling events naturally brings up these serious questions. I would be amazed if CCP IA is not a part of this as well right now.
Technically this is a sentence fragment with a question mark at the end, neither a complete thought nor an actual question. Just the thing that rumors seem to start from, in other words. |
Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
2
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:05:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:
I am aware of the fact that CCP uses this argument but it also means that people like Somer will keep trying to outsmart them and keep looking for loopholes. Add to it how easily was he able to get away with his last scheme and you are set for a s**tstorm we see now.
**** storm? You must be new. You obviously have no idea what a real forum **** storm looks like. This is a mild whine. Mr Epeen
In response to your signature;
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just wasted 3 of them by signing your ******* post when we can all see your name on the side. Congratulations, dumbass!
Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
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111010110
The Darwin Initiative
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:06:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CroisisCZ wrote:
I am aware of the fact that CCP uses this argument but it also means that people like Somer will keep trying to outsmart them and keep looking for loopholes. Add to it how easily was he able to get away with his last scheme and you are set for a s**tstorm we see now.
**** storm? You must be new. You obviously have no idea what a real forum **** storm looks like. This is a mild whine. Mr Epeen
Besides, no forum shitstorm of any kind or form has ever given CCP food for thought. They've been abundantly clear on that for more than a decade. It always comes down to very different arguments.
Which is why it's so important to keep the focus on what people say. CCP has had its issues with bumping into seeing customers do something instead of saying.
That said, I kinda miss the old CAOD and General Discussion on patchdays from some years back though. Kinda twisted.
CCP have improved things so much it's been ages since there was a 100 page drama whine thread on something.
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CroisisCZ
Everyone vs Everything
THE R0NIN
21
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:06:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:**** storm? You must be new. You obviously have no idea what a real forum **** storm looks like. This is a mild whine. Mr Epeen
The only reason we are only at page 23 is CCP Falcon and his swift reaction... Just wait for CCPs final statement in this Somergate 2.0. The storm may still come in full force...
EDIT: Page 24, damn, I swear it was 23 when I started to write the response.  |
Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
169
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:25:00 -
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When Falcon gets started theres no stopping him. except Lunch and perhaps some sleep.
This time round its being delt quite fast whereas the last time the response was a bit more sluggish, so when the team investigating ( and am sure there will be, they dont really want a shitstorm like last time, but that might already be brewing )
All Joe Public can do is stand by, make more comments on this, and pretty much wait to see what the next thing out of the bag is.
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Fallon Talwyn
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:26:00 -
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Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend? |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:56:00 -
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Fallon Talwyn wrote:Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend?
No, but I was always terrible at pattern recognition - it's what's kept me out of Mensa every time I apply.
De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
cpu939
Eternal Darkness.
Get Off My Lawn
60
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:01:00 -
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Fallon Talwyn wrote:Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend?
nope, i see other alliance and alts posting too.
what i can't understand is why Somer Blink hasn't asked to become a retailer i'm sure they would get more $ to the plex then being a 3rd party.
there is a lot of grey areas in the rules ccp have for this game. as i did say in the other post i do think this is rmt |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15724
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:37:00 -
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I'm just trying to follow the cookie trail of a PLEX passing through SOMER.
SOMER pays (say) 20% above market for a PLEX
raffles it off for 12/10ths of its value (getting that ISK back)
is that about right?
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
5
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:38:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I'm just trying to follow the cookie trail of a PLEX passing through SOMER.
SOMER pays (say) 20% above market for a PLEX
raffles it off for 12/10ths of its value (getting that ISK back)
is that accurate?
You're leaving out the (very high) possibility of shill accounts wining the PLEX among other things.
Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15724
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:41:00 -
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o.... ok that's a new one.
oh wow.
still [mostly] just trying to get an idea of how it could affect PLEX prices. tbh I took advantage of the bonus credit last time, which was the first time I bought PLEX in over a year.
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23952
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:45:00 -
[470] - Quote
Fallon Talwyn wrote:Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend?
So don't post on the SA forums if you don't want to see that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:53:00 -
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Fallon Talwyn wrote:Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend?
Potato, Potato, Potato, Potato... anyone else see a trend?
It's really easy to try and drum up conpiracy theories, and if you look at anything long and hard enough you see a pattern.
Please don't rumor monger, it's not a good thing.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
6
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:56:00 -
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Fallon Talwyn wrote:Goons, goons, goons, goons.....anyone else see a trend?
Keep trying
Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
134
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:00:00 -
[473] - Quote
Goodnight sweet prince...
Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Kale Sinn
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:00:00 -
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"Hey friends,
Thanks for all the years of Blink that we've spent together. It's been a long four years-- some of it longer than others!
Unfortunately, as of today, Blink is going to go on extended-- perhaps indefinite-- hiatus. CCP has gone back on everything they said several months ago, and the resulting environment is so hostile that it's not one we want to try to operate in, if CCP throws us under the bus.
If you have prizes waiting, they will be fulfilled. You can claim prizes as normal. Bonk tickets have been refunded to your account balance. We will begin refunding all account balances of people that have played in the last 6 months, starting with balances over 10 million ISK. As always, we're not in the business of stealing your money.
It's been an absolute pleasure to meet many of you, through Blink, Eve, and our lotteries channel. Thank you for the experience."
Wonder what happens to that big pile of ISk he has? |
Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
6
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:01:00 -
[475] - Quote
OH GET REKT
#tangodown
Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15724
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:02:00 -
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Analeesa wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I'm just trying to follow the cookie trail of a PLEX passing through SOMER.
SOMER pays (say) 20% above market for a PLEX
raffles it off for 12/10ths of its value (getting that ISK back)
is that accurate? You're leaving out the (very high) possibility of shill accounts wining the PLEX among other things.
wasn't that always possible?
also, I can't find a solid date (or even a week or month figure) for how long this latest SOMER deal has been active. the supposed authorization is dated March 26th...
how long has this been going on? and what caused the suspicion now, in mid-August?
I'm just curious, and not insinuating anything.
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
6
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:05:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Analeesa wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I'm just trying to follow the cookie trail of a PLEX passing through SOMER.
SOMER pays (say) 20% above market for a PLEX
raffles it off for 12/10ths of its value (getting that ISK back)
is that accurate? You're leaving out the (very high) possibility of shill accounts wining the PLEX among other things. wasn't that always possible? also, I can't find a solid date (or even a week or month figure) for how long this latest SOMER deal has been active. the supposed authorization is dated March 26th... how long has this been going on? and what caused the suspicion now, in mid-August? I'm just curious, and not insinuating anything.
Been active only a week or so if I recall correctly.
Well it's all over now :)
Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23952
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:06:00 -
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I'm torn between  and 
Onoz, the community is hostile to RMT. News at 11. If anything, that's the best endorsement the EVE community has ever seen.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Suzie Swindle
Code Enforcement and Compliance Agency
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:06:00 -
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Those who play blink will have noticed somers has shut down saying CCP has tossed them under the bus and its to hostile to continue.... they say those who played over 6 months will get their isk left returned.... no rmt no blink??? kinda seems like that to me. |
Thead Enco
Radio New Vegas
189
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:09:00 -
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Kale Sinn wrote:"Hey friends,
Thanks for all the years of Blink that we've spent together. It's been a long four years-- some of it longer than others!
Unfortunately, as of today, Blink is going to go on extended-- perhaps indefinite-- hiatus. CCP has gone back on everything they said several months ago, and the resulting environment is so hostile that it's not one we want to try to operate in, if CCP throws us under the bus.
If you have prizes waiting, they will be fulfilled. You can claim prizes as normal. Bonk tickets have been refunded to your account balance. We will begin refunding all account balances of people that have played in the last 6 months, starting with balances over 10 million ISK. As always, we're not in the business of stealing your money.
It's been an absolute pleasure to meet many of you, through Blink, Eve, and our lotteries channel. Thank you for the experience."
Wonder what happens to that big pile of ISk he has?
Down the "Isk sink"
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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