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Clanggedin Silverbeard
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps? Did you read Somer's front page at all? Supposedly he's paying it back. Whether or not he honors that is up in the air. No idea what kind of stipulations CCP will make either, or what they'll do with the confiscated ISK should they ban Somer's accounts.
They are only paying ballance of playing isk you had on the account, not all the tokens wich will go in plain air. I was promessed i can spend them whenever i want, so i was stacking them for the celebration, and now they are all gone, but its not just me with the same problem so i will stop here and let the people talk. this is just bad...
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Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
14
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:19:00 -
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Before posting you should be up to speed on the following:
1: It is now proven that Somer did attempt to screw CCP over (full supporting irrefutable evidence in my older posts and bellow)
2: Blink is finished, whether it is a publicity stunt to gain support or legitimate is unknown, there is no evidence to support either theories with the exception of the unfortunate timing and wording of the announcement which makes it seem like a publicity ploy.
3: It seems shill accounts are being used on this thread to make Blink look like it's the victim.
Proof to back up the first statement:
CCP didn't approve what she did. Somer screwed CCP which is evident in the RTF Somer also linked. (http://cogdev.net/blink/affiliate.rtf) This RTF is what Somer said was the finalized proposal of their plan.
As stated here 'Justification: Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. ' The lie is the highlighted text. Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8933
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:20:00 -
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So, having posted in this thread once, I got four tearmails and one accusing me of being on the side of some other RMT group.
This thread delivers.
[ ] Rekt.
[ ] Not Rekt
[x] Tyrannosaurus Rekt. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..
"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side GÇö isn't GÇ£buy 10 get 1 for freeGÇ¥ the standard? ) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there. How is that any better than what Blink was doing? Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this. Because they're not doing transactions of any ISK at all. It's basically equivalent to offering a discount on bulk orders. Are you suggesting that ETC retailers not be allowed to offer discounts? The free PLEX is isk..
Would it have been better is rather than Blink giving you ISK for your PLEX, they gave, say, ships? Mod's? Whatever.. that adds up to the same value..
In both cases you spend money to get MORE than you paid for. |
Analeesa
Dontgiveaduck Syndrome
14
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:22:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So, having posted in this thread once, I got four tearmails and one accusing me of being on the side of some other RMT group.
This thread delivers.
[ ] Rekt.
[ ] Not Rekt
[x] Tyrannosaurus Rekt.
[x] Truth eludes he who does not seek it both eyes wide. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1572
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:23:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Just to throw my own opinion into the ever-widening ring...
I don't think that with SOMERblink shutting down the issue is settled or resolved. Other than any appropriate punishments as determined and meted out by CCP, I think the real issue here is the ambiguity in the third part policies governing what is and isn't allowed in third party development. As someone who's been trying to get into it, that ambiguity has by far been the largest barrier of entry. The complete mess of official information on the subject is so far scattered throughout blog posts, official articles, wiki entries, and year after year of dev forum posts that it is next to impossible to get clear, unequivocal answers to even some of the most basic questions.
And I don't mean to imply that there is no effort being made by CCP on the matter. I know CCP Foxfour and Falcon, for example, have been extraordinarily active and helpful in the community, but it seems that they badly need reinforcements. If CCP wants to help prevent something like this from happening again the first step would be a clear, official source of centralized information regarding the third party development rules and regulations. All of the ambiguity surrounding the rules as they stand is just a recipe for 'workarounds' and 'clever manipulation' of the rules that could potentially result in more instances of RMT or other rule-breaking such as this one. Indeed.. if I was a 3rd Party henceforth anything I'd do I'd want a signed letter from CCP Legal to hold them accountable.. Clearly taking their word for it amounts to nothing in the face of any bad PR.
As someone who spends almost their entire EVE existence living the metagame...
Learn to recognize when CCP is being metagammed. Especially the clumsy, but effective, metagaming in those emails. Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal. Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve. |
NeOnicuS
IP Rights
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:24:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no.. +1 to this. Not running things through legal when they requested you do so raises CCP responsibility questions. In addition, not talking to legal doesn't relieve liability. I enjoyed playing blinks, but at this point I think the community as a whole is missing a lot of the facts surrounding this. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11168
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:25:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:The free PLEX is isk.. No, it's a PLEX. Getting a free PLEX for buying a certain large amount of PLEX is roughly the same thing as making larger packages of PLEX cost less per PLEX than smaller packages, something CCP does in their own sales and which doesn't qualify as RMT at all.
Sniper Smith wrote:Would it have been better is rather than Blink giving you ISK for your PLEX, they gave, say, ships? Mod's? Whatever.. that adds up to the same value.. None of those would have been okay. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Alli Ginthur
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
9
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:26:00 -
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NeOnicuS wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:I mean even Somer expected it to go through Legal and was told no.. +1 to this. Not running things through legal when they requested you do so raises CCP responsibility questions. In addition, not talking to legal doesn't relieve liability. I enjoyed playing blinks, but at this point I think the community as a whole is missing a lot of the facts surrounding this.
They don't care, they got their head on a pike. Now it's time for the festival and then they'll quietly go on their way. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23962
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:The free PLEX is isk. No, it's not. The free PLEX is a free PLEX, nothing more. You got a bulk rebate on your out-of-game order that allowed you to pay less out-of-game cash.
At no point does it cross over into any kind of in-game transaction that trips the RMT flag.
e:f;b GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
33
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:27:00 -
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Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing. |
Thead Enco
Radio New Vegas
190
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:28:00 -
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Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps? Did you read Somer's front page at all? Supposedly he's paying it back. Whether or not he honors that is up in the air. No idea what kind of stipulations CCP will make either, or what they'll do with the confiscated ISK should they ban Somer's accounts. They are only paying ballance of playing isk you had on the account, not all the tokens wich will go in plain air. I was promessed i can spend them whenever i want, so i was stacking them for the celebration, and now they are all gone, but its not just me with the same problem so i will stop here and let the people talk. this is just bad...
You asking for your "Tokens" back is like asking your local Casino that's "going to the mattresses "I want my money mein"
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23962
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:30:00 -
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Carribean Queen wrote:Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing. Why would they do that? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works The Big Dirty
33
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:31:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing. Why would they do that?
for helping perpetuate this RMT scheme. It wouldn't have been so successful if people weren't using it and leading to this mighty outcry. |
Clanggedin Silverbeard
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:32:00 -
[585] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing.
they actually did not close somer, so...
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Drealar
Doctrine. FEARLESS.
143
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:33:00 -
[586] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing.
are you currently high as balls on crystal meth? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11168
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:34:00 -
[587] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:Tippia wrote:Carribean Queen wrote:Now, in the way this has gone down and how typical things work in relation to how the laws work -
Are you now going to ban every single player who has used somer blink for aiding and abetting?
And shut down all of the other external gambling sites as well because in some way/some how they are all RMT'ing. Why would they do that? for helping perpetuate this RMT scheme. It wouldn't have been so successful if people weren't using it and leading to this mighty outcry. Are you for real? Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Dolph Carebear
Adohivatal
59
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:35:00 -
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Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps?
49b? Jesus man you need help. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:35:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Tippia wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:So what Blink was doing was wrong, But Eve Time Code can give you a Free PLEX for every $250 spent..
"New Promo - Your business counts! Starting May 9th 2014, After every $250 spent you will recieve 1 free PLEX" Standard customer loyalty program (if a bit on the miserly side GÇö isn't GÇ£buy 10 get 1 for freeGÇ¥ the standard? ) with no in-game component. So there's no comparison there. How is that any better than what Blink was doing? Buy a bunch from our reseller get some isk free.. If what Blink is doing is RMT, then so it this. Geez it's like people can't keep straight in-game versus out-of-game.
Eve Time Code's promotion is not contracting you an extra plex in-game purchased from an isk slush fund. They're giving you another plex from the out-of-game supply. The ETCs they sell are codes they buy from CCP. The isk Somer was padding onto plex "convenience sales" was in-game isk. RMT requires moving in-game stuff for out-of-game money.
Other than the way that all PLEX / ISK transactions are RMT of course. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23965
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:36:00 -
[590] - Quote
Carribean Queen wrote:for helping perpetuate this RMT scheme. But they're not doing that.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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gawrshmapooo
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
46
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:37:00 -
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Dolph Carebear wrote:Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps? 49b? Jesus man you need help.
Addiction is realGäó |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
336
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:38:00 -
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gawrshmapooo wrote:Dolph Carebear wrote:Clanggedin Silverbeard wrote:I WANT MY TOKENS BACK, its both of your fault CCP and SOMER, i spent 49 bil to make tokens for this celebration (wich now should go in plain air???). you favored somer CCP so now its time to make it all right. same as character scamming perhaps? 49b? Jesus man you need help. Addiction is realGäó
EVE is Real. CCP said so |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:38:00 -
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Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11171
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:41:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. No, it's a PLEX. PLEX can be traded for ISK. PLEX does not create ISK. So suggesting there's an equivalence is absurd. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23965
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:41:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Wrong way around. Anyone who does see them as the same needs to have their head examined because they're not. PLEX is PLEX, ISK is ISK, and an out-of-game sale of PLEX codes is an out-of-game sale of PLEX codes.
Quote:Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. Close, but not quite. Until such time as a PLEX is redeemed and sold in Jita, it is just a PLEX. (Actually, afterwards, it's still just a PLEX GÇö it's just not yours any more.)
e:f;b agaIn! Dammit James, stop sniping my posts. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
197
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:42:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. There's a nuance there that you're missing. Something about the direction that real money and in-game goods are flowing. Its ok in one direction and not ok in the other. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:43:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:gawrshmapooo wrote: Addiction is realGäó
EVE is Real. CCP said so Features & Ideas Discussion: Add "the shakes" to pilots who take boosters if they don't keep snorting more pills. And every few minutes you talk in local without your control, asking other pilots for just a few isk to get one more hit man, I'll get cleaned up starting tomorrow I swear. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:46:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Anyone that doesn't see PLEX as ISK needs their head examined. Until such time as PLEX can't be sold at Jita, it's just a bulk amount of ISK. Ok in that case anyone who has ever bought or sold a PLEX from any source, in game or out of game, is guilty of RMTing. Ban everyone, issue sorted. Next? |
Cameron Freerunner
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
88
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:49:00 -
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And so concludes the longest running, most profitable, most meta, most ****-in-your-face scam in EVE history. No other scam will ever come close. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23968
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:51:00 -
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Cameron Freerunner wrote:And so concludes the longest running, most profitable, most meta, most ****-in-your-face scam in EVE history. No other scam will ever come close. Indeed. That's the only good spin on the thing that I can think of. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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