For all you folks gathering the pitchforks and torches and learning to tie ropes into nooses. Do you expect a single or mass execution? Just Somer or Somer and staff or Somer staff and anybody who has ever done business with them?

Or if you are heading the mob towards CCP are you looking for the one person mentioned in the 'email leak' or their entire staff or (as some of you love to ask for) the entire senior management team of CCP for allowing this to take place? Community and CSM thrown in for good measure, no doubt.

I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.

BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service?

I have a bottle of shampoo in my hands. Nowhere on the label does it mention anything about cleaning my hair. It just says "shampoo" with a few ingredients and sales points based around them, and some instructions on how to use it, but no explicit claim that it's gonna clean my hair. I guess it's all intended to deceive, and by virtue of that, it probably won't wash my hair. Am I right?

So, who's really 'quibbling' with words?

Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.

Indeed, it was designed to sound like it was purposely avoiding RMT while in actual fact facilitating it. As for the altered scheme, I'd say that it's still mixing up in game items with real cash, and is dangerous ground to leave open. Additionally, I think Somer have used up all of their "benefit of the doubt" cards. It wouldn't be unreasonable for CCP to disallow Somer's use of any GTC affiliate program through any reseller.

How many eve players are there?

CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.

Ya'll need to get a life.

Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?


Band waggon jumpers the lot of you

On the Somer side, I expect the usual treatment. Somer should be permabanned, as would any other account directly involved with the running of Somer as a business, an all assets removed. The staff that aren't at that high level should just have all Somer assets removed. Usually with RMT, there is no messing about, the account involved are gone and the isk/items are taken, simple as that. I don't expect this to be any different. If it is, that shows that there is unfair leniency being shown to Somer.
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I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.

BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service?

Buying PLEX for 50m over sell orders sounds a lot like the "extra ISK" you might give to an RMT peddler for the "convenience" of their home delivery of one trit. Also sounds a lot like the "extra ISK" the proposal specifically promises not to offer.

How many eve players are there?

CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.

Ya'll need to get a life.

Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?


Band waggon jumpers the lot of you

Hello, alt of Somer. Please go away.

That's where it gets clever - there is no "extra isk" for buying the Plex. The "extra isk" appears when you sell that Plex back to them. The order it is all mentioned is there to imply the "no extra isk" carries throughout the entirety of the transaction, when the wording specifically limits it to only the first part, leaving them free to crap all over the spirit of the words in the second part, and allowing them to feign ignorance and claim never to have misled anyone, since their use of "best possible price" later for the by-back signifies that of course you would get the "best possible", which by definition is "more than anyone else anywhere" (ie: the market) will give you.

It is highly heavy on the technicality, and therefore slimy as all hell wording.

How many eve players are there?

CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.

Ya'll need to get a life.

Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?


Band waggon jumpers the lot of you

Then it would become RMT with a bad exchange rate.

How many eve players are there?

CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.

Ya'll need to get a life.

Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?


Band waggon jumpers the lot of you

How many eve players are there?

CCP now into 2nd day of investigations to pander to 50 -60 butthurt whiners on this subject.

Ya'll need to get a life.

Who is getting hurt here? how many have and continue to benefit from Somer's donations and sponsorship?


Band waggon jumpers the lot of you

That's where it gets clever - there is no "extra isk" for buying the Plex. The "extra isk" appears when you sell that Plex back to them. The order it is all mentioned is there to imply the "no extra isk" carries throughout the entirety of the transaction, when the wording specifically limits it to only the first part, leaving them free to crap all over the spirit of the words in the second part, and allowing them to feign ignorance and claim never to have misled anyone, since their use of "best possible price" later for the by-back signifies that of course you would get the "best possible", which by definition is "more than anyone else anywhere" (ie: the market) will give you.

It is highly heavy on the technicality, and therefore slimy as all hell wording.

Somer is the receiver of the real money hence it's actually a better rate for them. ... and the benefit looks still strong enough to encourage people to buy PLEX through their affiliation program.

The point is, I can easily understand how some or all of these people might be a bit pissed if/when CCP's rules for making some money out of EVE-related services aren't clear and fair for all. So I'm simply throwing my voice in (fwiw, obviously) to support clear and fair rules for all third-party service providers.

Are you insane or just trolling I don know but, I dont want any perosn to think hes above me in terms of EULA.

If RMT is not a go for CCP, and against the rules, then they should do it accordingly. Rules must be applied to everyone equally.

You asked "who is getting hurt here?" then you really did not understand the topic.

This is not related with someone getting money through eve.

This is all about CCP not making its rules to apply anyone. If we say this ok, then in future, they can accept "some" bots that they "favour", and after that maybe they can apply the EULA at their will.

When a day comes and you lost your ship becaose of server issue and when you petitioned, they can answer you " you are not favoured for us so we wont reimburse it even if its reason is our bad servers". Who will getting hurt then?

There is no difference.

Server shut downs to save fleets? The Goon string puller mittani is making more RL cash from his website advertisements than I bet Somer ever could.

Equality? in Eve? are you real?

Server shut downs to save fleets? The Goon string puller mittani is making more RL cash from his website advertisements than I bet Somer ever could.

And yet people scream equality - are you awake? can you even smell those roses?

Yes I agree with you but not only this. This game not only runs with the currency or pure money. This game not only has a symbiotic relationship with its resellers or third party service providers. This game runs with people who feels good with this game and trusts that being in here means they will be treated equally above the EULA.

Think a second what will happen when peope stops trusting CCP and feel unsafe, mistreated, or simply lets say being taken advantage of. Last time this happened, people get in rage and shoot down monuments in jita, they get all riot, that ends up with CCP getting in loss at the end of fiscal year.

I am not a walking wallet. and I deamnd euqality. These rigts come to me with EULA itself as it clearly states that everyone will be treated equally.

I only demand what is just and right.

Yes...and it would still be RMT, and thus not allowed by CCP rules. Or so I would have thought a few days ago, at any rate.

If Somer are in the wrong, then I agree they should face the appropriate measures for bad behaviour. However, when I look down a street and see a swathe of pitchforks and torches, I only hope that whoever pissed them off gets away with it, regardless of what they've done, because that mindless crowd gives humanity a worse name than the perpetrator they are after.

Sure, but without a clear ISK-valued benefit for the consumer there would be not much difference anymore to any other 3rd party service being financed through CCP's affiliate program and player's ISK donations.