Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

I am wondering if people have noticed in any pattern in the types of burners offered in different regions or are they totally random ?

Heh

Time to kill on the bling Orthrus (cost is around 120 mill cheaper than the bling 3min Gila) is 3min 40seconds. Neither the 3min Gila nor the Orthrus 'spent time' picking up the 7mill guaranteed loot.

That said the tank wasn't as strong as I remember from last time I ran it. However that's most likely because I lacked Caldari navy shield extenders and had to make do with meta 4 ones and used a gist instead of pith ward.

I did record it and will upload at some point. I'd like to run a few more on sisi though to iron out any tank issues.

Fit for reference:



Going through the logs it looks like the ashimu for some reason was just absolutely mauling me with penetrating and smashing hits. I have absolutely no idea why though. Not only is the Orthrus faster than the Gila, but it has a much smaller sig (by 50). A larger shield pool will help against this.

Oh, I only reloaded the ASB once and used all of 12 cap charges. Additionally I only lost 2 hornets.

Here's the cheap one, bonus for having a tractor beam on it:



https://youtu.be/FEWJwv6CO88

Reduce damage bonus to +15% per level

Gila: -1 Lowslot, -20 CPU

I doubt I have even near enough data but I don't think so. I've been running in both minmatar and caldari space for two different factions and corps. Haven't noticed a specfic pattern (that would make sense regarding regional pirate groups). All burner missions are available regardless where and for whom you run though I can't speak towards certain burners being offered more than others. You'd need a data set of 1000s of burner missions to really start seeing patterns.

I think with the gila nerf dropping the BCU would make the most sense. not sure what that will mean for drone aggro though.

36848Burner Antero

whoo a new one

Very cheap way to beat it the Guristas burner base with a Prophecy, total cost with the fit is around 70-80 mil. Perfect skills with no implants or boosters:

[Prophecy, Guristas Burner Base]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Cap Recharger II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Cap Recharger II

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Acolyte II x5

It has no problems tanking but takes a while to kill the Mantis fighters since you can't get in range to web them. Next time I'll probably swap one of the webs for a TP or missile guidance computer with precision script.

Also, don't bother with medium drones - Infiltrator IIs couldn't even hit the dual-webbed Dragonflies (these tend to sometimes pop a drone instantly, so make sure to bring 10-15 Accolyte IIs just in case).

Finally, the NOS is there because I wanted to test if it works on the fighters (as far as I can tell, it doesn't). It may be better to replace it with an auto cannon or something.

As for loot, one of the containers dropped a stack of Guirstas light missiles, so there is probably a chance for something shinier.

I am thinking of trying this for sheer nostalgia sake as a double repper Prophecy was my first level IV mission ship. I have not actually flown a Prophecy since they got buffed recently.

Perhaps a mwd and a cap booster on that fit and it would be able to run down and web the mantis fighters?

I'm trying out the Gurista Base burner too now.

So far it has not gone well.

At all.

Edit: With this mission it feels like CCP is slipping back into making the old grind kind of missions, just now with more limits and harder ships. The bounty on them is about what a battleship would give and it takes about as long to kill one. Theres waves and waves of them so any smart flying (overheat), interesting short term PvP type fit choice (ASB, Cap booster, Buffer, ECM) that is used to overcome other burners can't really be used.

I mean I can beat it sure, but it's a long, annoying and painful grind. The exact opposite of what all the other burners have been so far.

So far I'm really disappointed in this one

[Cerberus, Burner Gurista 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Large Capacitor Battery II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large Shield Booster II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Acolyte II x3

[Cerberus, Burner Gurista 2]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Damage Control II

Large Capacitor Battery II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Light Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Acolyte II x3

pss. The prophecy 'works' in that I have to yolo dozens of drones at the dragonflies while they chew them up faster than I can give commands to attack. It's stupid and dumb(the mission, not the fit).

What? A challenging burner mission that can't be blitzed? Sounds like CCP is going in the right direction.

The dragonflies web and scram. If you go with arties on the Huginn, even with 2 webs you wont hit anything because they have too small a sig and too high speed. At the same time if you bring ACs nothing will be in range.

That was my experience running the Huginn.

The cerb I posted just barely tanks all the damage of both the Dragonflies and the Mantii

I was thinking about dual webs on a Huggin to help Cerb applying the damage. Or if those fighters using MWD, then maybe a Lachesis with long point to stop them and apply damage with Cerb.

What? A challenging burner mission that can't be blitzed? Sounds like CCP is going in the right direction.

Challenging missions that are more like pvp? Missions that require team play? Yeah. That's the right direction. I hope CCP is recording all the data from those missions and uses them to make comparable Level 1-3 mission.

The best thing about the frigate burners, is doing them in lowsec. Mofo invades your mission and get owned by the burner is frickin hilarious.

Guys, how much DPS do I need to tank for Guristas base burner ?

I was thinking to try it in Huggin + Cerberus ? Do you think it is a good idea ?

but it isn't challenging, it is long and mostly boring, like many of the standard lv4 missions. main differences are it requires a teeny bit of clicking approach, and is limited to bc and down. Outside of figuring out the hardeners I had it mostly figured out almost immediately. also they changed the mission around a bit between the first and second day.


would love to see some more team play options. sadly nearly all pve content seems to be based around solo play. Hard to get newbies into high end content, especially when experienced players will make more running solo than running with other people. Also I find it annoying that most of the group pve content is limited, which is necessarily bad, but can be annoying. hard to get excited about the game when you log in and have to find a new wormhole, or go 20 jumps just to get to the next destination, as there are no sites in your area.

and I've been wanting to run more lowsec burners for that very reason. but most people can't probe me down and get into the mission before I can kill the burner. Although I've mostly been in low traffic systems, might be interesting to see what happens in one of the busy systems. should go afk with a passive jag in the blood burner mission



kiting might work that way. bonused target painter plus a web or two from the huginn might make the cerb damage apply well. I didn't test anything missile based. MWD + 4 web + painter, or maybe 3 web 2 painter? should give you easy range control on the fighters/bombers (put one web on each of the 3 fighters, and double web, or paint the primary) and let the cerb pick them off. The huginn could probably hit with arty too. no idea how long it would take though.

I don't think it is meant to be solo. In fact CCP even said that they were not designed to be solo, but players figured out how to do them solo with niche and bling fits.

Playing EVE isn't all about making isk and having a fat wallet. I believe interacting with likeminded individuals in EVE is what retains players.

Maybe instead of coming up with solo fits, we should be coming up with small 2-3 man gang fits as well for the lower skilled/low isk players.

I've seen people say that, but never seen a source. I remember fozzie saying he could solo them in t2 ships. Also the devblog very heavily suggests that they can be countered through fitting. "When agents give you one of these missions, they will provide you with extensive information about what you can expect to face. These instructions allow you to design and build a ship fitting that effectively counters the Burner." http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/size-matters-introducing-burner-missions/

there is also a bit about them being part of the normal lv4 pool so they wouldn't be too farmable, but well we've clearly worked around that.

One of the things I've been working on in signal cartel is exactly that, getting newer players into burner missions in small groups. did a few runs the other night, and am working on moving ships/stuff out to a mission location to hopefully expand the group, and get more runs in.