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Aghira Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc. 49	Posted - 2017.01.10 12:34:36 - [1291] - Quote Boutz McCool wrote: Merci. Yes its 11m. I can verify tho the speed is wrong or they have some web resist power. From this vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG1UG3Cjdko we can see even when hit with 3 %84 webs they are flying at 26 m/s. That gives them a max speed of 6348 m/s. Can personally testify that I used 2 %55 webs and they appeared to have zero effect-- still orbiting at over 2000 m/s. so, magic ships, awesome. Webs are subject to stacking penalties. So it should be 1156 m/s instead of your 6348 m/s. You can see this in your linked video once the frigs turn of their MWD/AB. Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck) english is not my native language.
guigui lechat the no fock given 5	Posted - 2017.01.13 10:35:15 - [1292] - Quote Althalus Stenory wrote: Ploing wrote: Althalus Stenory wrote: It looks like the jaguar burner team is able to hit you at >20km: I was orbiting @24km and got hit once ( http://imgur.com/a/aMwGN ) A corpmate once lost his garmur to the jaguar too while orbiting at 30km with an ECM garmur. Did this already happened to someone else ? yes it-¦s a known fact but at 30 they never hit before. ok. Another thing that I believe is weird, it's that it was a wrecking shot lol Quote: 19:23:27Combat1386 from Burner Jaguar - Wrecks your chance to hit decrease as your target goes into your fallooff. once you reach optimal+2.5falloff you have less than 1% chance to hit, BUT this hit is a wrecking with 300% dmg So basically you are kittinga rat with a long offset, you have a very small chance to get hit but if he hits you, he crits for 300% damage.
Ruvin Out of Sight. 207	Posted - 2017.01.16 12:59:05 - [1293] - Quote wanted to share my team burner fits cheap and effective, 1 fit which can do all 4. [Succubus, R'S S_C] Co-Processor II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Umbra Scoped Radar ECM Umbra Scoped Radar ECM Umbra Scoped Radar ECM Small Focused Beam Laser II [Empty High slot] Small Focused Beam Laser II Small Ionic Field Projector I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I Aurora S x4 [Garmur, Ruvin's Garmur] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Sensor Booster II Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Hypnos Scoped Magnetometric ECM Hypnos Scoped Magnetometric ECM Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Light Missile Launcher II Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst II Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile x1231 Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile x1096 Targeting Range Script x1 Caldari Navy Nova Light Missile x933 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x1330 Nanite Repair Paste x50 Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Clennel The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.17 01:27:46 - [1294] - Quote Um, that Garmur fit isn't exactly cheap. Most of the recent Garmur fits you see posted here are in the 100-110mil range. The CN BCS alone is going to put you back around 95mil. Whether it's effective or not, I can't say -- if it works for you, than fantastic! On the Succubus fit, I'm curious how you keep the cap up to run 2 lasers and 3 ECM? (Lasers are the absolute weakest and most pitifully trained weapons in my arsenal, so honestly I am curious)
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2455	Posted - 2017.01.17 03:14:03 - [1295] - Quote the LML garmur was standard till they nerfed LML a while back, that's when we shifted to the Polar rocket fit. Now with the meta bcus the polar rocket fit is pretty cheap. There are a bunch of frigs that can fit 1-3 ecm and do damage at ~25km so there are a lot of options for the team burners. I like the retribution as it can break the logi without ecm doing 300 dps at 22km with heat, that said it is too slow for the minmatar burner, so I use a mwd harpy for that. I posted the fits a few pages back. EFT is showing 9m of cap with everything running on my succubus fit, but in general you don't want to be shooting and using ECM at the same time. Or at least not using both until you have jammed one of the logi and it flies off, and then it should have plenty of cap to last long enough to finish. @ChainsawPlankto
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 5175	Posted - 2017.01.17 05:54:44 - [1296] - Quote My favorite is still the polarized rocket Garmur. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
The Devils Cousin Evian Industries EVIAN NATION 63	Posted - 2017.01.17 07:57:34 - [1297] - Quote None of these fits work, i have tried again and again with differ fits of urs and i just get twfpwned each time
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 79	Posted - 2017.01.17 10:01:13 - [1298] - Quote The Devils Cousin wrote: None of these fits work, i have tried again and again with differ fits of urs and i just get twfpwned each time maybe tell us some fits and what you are doing in mission.
Ruvin Out of Sight. 207	Posted - 2017.01.17 10:25:54 - [1299] - Quote Clennel wrote: Um, that Garmur fit isn't exactly cheap. Most of the recent Garmur fits you see posted here are in the 100-110mil range. The CN BCS alone is going to put you back around 95mil. Whether it's effective or not, I can't say -- if it works for you, than fantastic! On the Succubus fit, I'm curious how you keep the cap up to run 2 lasers and 3 ECM? (Lasers are the absolute weakest and most pitifully trained weapons in my arsenal, so honestly I am curious) hmm i had a polarized garmur rocket fit havent tried it yet but it was 100% more expensive. Could you show the one ur talking about ? As for succubus you only need to jam once, i usually kill 1 logi, so jam 1 kill other kill burner. So i never actually went out of cap. Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 79	Posted - 2017.01.17 11:46:20 - [1300] - Quote Ruvin wrote: hmm i had a polarized garmur rocket fit havent tried it yet but it was 100% more expensive. Could you show the one ur talking about ? this should be clennels garmur [Garmur, TBR] Co-Processor II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II Peripheral Compact Target Painter Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst II Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket x3196 Missile Range Script x2 Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket x3030 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x2034 Mjolnir Javelin Rocket x1011 Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x2966

Ruvin Out of Sight. 207	Posted - 2017.01.17 12:45:45 - [1301] - Quote thanks, btw what fit you use for serpentis DD ? i just lost a hawk :( Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Capt Mainwaring Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 0	Posted - 2017.01.18 09:44:01 - [1302] - Quote hi pilots , im having real trouble with the burner hawk mission , i simply can not do enough damage to either the frigates or the hawk but they dont hit me either not once, this is the fit im using anyone any suggestions [Kestrel, Capt Mainwaring's Kestrel] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Scoped Target Painter Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x54 Mjolnir Light Missile x150 i can post my skills if needed, most missile skills at 4 and some at 5 , thx guys .
Clennel The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.18 11:27:47 - [1303] - Quote Capt Mainwaring wrote: hi pilots , im having real trouble with the burner hawk mission , i simply can not do enough damage to either the frigates or the hawk but they dont hit me either not once, this is the fit im using anyone any suggestions [Kestrel, Capt Mainwaring's Kestrel] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II BZ-5 Scoped Gravimetric ECM 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Phased Scoped Target Painter Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x54 Mjolnir Light Missile x150 i can post my skills if needed, most missile skills at 4 and some at 5 , thx guys . Although I now curretnly use a rocket-based Garmur based fit (reposted a couple posts above by Ploing), I did at one time use the ECM/missile fit. In your fit it looks like you'll have trouble getting/keeping one of the logi jammed while you're killing the other. Can you work in a second ECM to help with this?
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 79	Posted - 2017.01.18 12:48:44 - [1304] - Quote change it this way [Kestrel, Capt Mainwaring's Kestrel] Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System Crosslink Compact Ballistic Control System CZ-4 Compact Gravimetric ECM 5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive CZ-4 Compact Gravimetric ECM CZ-4 Compact Gravimetric ECM Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Arbalest Compact Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile [empty high slot] Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I at all V with the crosslinks you are only 3 dps lower, but able to fit 3 ecm. cap lasts 1:41 and is stable with 2 ecm running.
Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 0	Posted - 2017.01.21 21:53:15 - [1305] - Quote So you guys are all doing the blood burner cruor the wrong way. Here, try this. It is completely ****** proof. Instructions: 1. get mishun 2. warp the gate 3. lock burner 4. apply webs + dps 5. make some tea [Wolf, huehue cap build] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Price is 140m. Fit can be improved, you can reduce cap stability and increase dps a bit, but you need great cap skills. The speed is great, just a bit slower than Anize's standard sphincter puckering high apm cap booster fit. With my mediocre skills I'm usually left with 20 ammo in my guns.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2474	Posted - 2017.01.21 22:11:39 - [1306] - Quote Does the cap battery reduce how much the cruor neuts for or do you just gain so much raw cap regen that it doesn't matter? The cruor neuts 90cap every 5s (18cap/s) and with perfect cap skills your fit uses 11/s and regens 31/s so it has more than enough extra cap. High apm? all you need to do is Heat rep, Activate cap booster, activate rep every ~30s. Also not sure it is something worth losing a gyro (~30 dps) over. @ChainsawPlankto
Clennel The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.21 22:18:11 - [1307] - Quote Zekir Shardani wrote: So you guys are all doing the blood burner cruor the wrong way. Here, try this. It is completely "mentally challenged individual" proof. Instructions: 1. get mishun 2. warp the gate 3. lock burner 4. apply webs + dps 5. make some tea [Wolf, huehue cap build] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Price is 140m. Fit can be improved, you can reduce cap stability and increase dps a bit, but you need great cap skills. The speed is great, just a bit slower than Anize's standard rear sphincter puckering high apm cap booster fit. With my mediocre skills I'm usually left with 20 ammo in my guns. Nice fit! I think I'll start kitting up another Wolf to give it a try the next time I pull this mission. No offense though, but the first time in I'll probably fit up a warp core stabilizer to see how well the tank holds out against the Cruors neuting. If it works out, I'll warp away and come back fully fitted to kill. Thanks!
Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 0	Posted - 2017.01.22 01:02:56 - [1308] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Does the cap battery reduce how much the cruor neuts for or do you just gain so much raw cap regen that it doesn't matter? The cruor neuts 90cap every 5s (18cap/s) and with perfect cap skills your fit uses 11/s and regens 31/s so it has more than enough extra cap. High apm? all you need to do is Heat rep, Activate cap booster, activate rep every ~30s. Also not sure it is something worth losing a gyro (~30 dps) over. Yes it surprisingly does. I didn't believe it at first and my sisi tests also didn't go very well, but now the new HUD on tranquility shows the neut amount is 68points. Just like if being neuted by another player with 2 small T2 neuts. Then again this cruor was made on sisi, so it can take the full amount of neuting even without the cap battery neut bonus. If you feel like you need more deeps you can maybe replace one cap rig for a projectile damage rig. Anize's fit is not exactly high apm, but it just feels a lot more click heavy than other burners and it always gave me the shakes (just like the damn vaga killing taloses). This might also have something to do with my lack of skills, I have attack frigs at 4 only. So for me it's absolutely worth it. I usually just set it up and then go for a pee or a snack.
Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 0	Posted - 2017.01.22 01:11:14 - [1309] - Quote Clennel wrote: Nice fit! I think I'll start kitting up another Wolf to give it a try the next time I pull this mission. No offense though, but the first time in I'll probably fit up a warp core stabilizer to see how well the tank holds out against the Cruors neuting. If it works out, I'll warp away and come back fully fitted to kill. Thanks! Don't worry man if you copy my exact fit and if you have mediocre cap skills you cant die. You can also do a test. Take a random frig that is not bonused for neuts and fit 2 small T2 neuts on it (use a friend or an alt). Then try to neut out your wolf while running a web and a repper. If you dont get neuted out you are ready to kill the cruor.
Clennel The Scope Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2017.01.22 01:53:01 - [1310] - Quote It worked perfectly - even with my "security blanket" WCS in place of a gyro. (see my updated earlier post). Again, many thanks for an excellent fit!

Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 0	Posted - 2017.01.22 02:01:03 - [1311] - Quote Clennel wrote: It worked perfectly - even with my "security blanket" WCS in place of a gyro. (see my updated earlier post). Again, many thanks for an excellent fit! I'm glad to hear it worked . It was you or the cruor, cause you need two stabs to escape his scram
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2479	Posted - 2017.01.22 02:18:00 - [1312] - Quote A t2 damage rig with 2 gyros is pretty similar damage to 3 gyros so that could work. I made a few small changes to increase the damage and make it cheaper. Since it drops the two t2 cccs I also switched to the coreli rep as it uses less cap, also reps a little less but seems like it should be enough. It should have just enough extra cap to live. Going to test it next time I get the mission. [Wolf, Cap Battery] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II @ChainsawPlankto
Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 1	Posted - 2017.01.22 03:39:00 - [1313] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: A t2 damage rig with 2 gyros is pretty similar damage to 3 gyros so that could work. I made a few small changes to increase the damage and make it cheaper. Since it drops the two t2 cccs I also switched to the coreli rep as it uses less cap, also reps a little less but seems like it should be enough. It should have just enough extra cap to live. Going to test it next time I get the mission. [Wolf, Cap Battery] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Projectile Collision Accelerator II I tried this fit in pyfa before at ALL 5 and the capacitor is a bit too thin for my taste. As I see it on paper it's enough, but cruor can alpha your cap. I would take t2 ccc and a t1 damage rig. Also the rep is barely enough but you can fix that with a sleeper drug.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2479	Posted - 2017.01.22 04:58:09 - [1314] - Quote My normal fit has a 400 ehp/s tank, but runs a bit less than half the time so I'm assuming the the 190 sustained tank is enough. and with 1125 base cap I'm assuming that is enough that cap alphas shouldn't be a problem. if it doesn't work well I'll just stick to my normal fit with the 3 gyros and cap injector, I'd rather use the 4-5 cap boosters and keep the higher damage fit. and I usually use the tracking drug, 8% tracking for 2m/hr is pretty sweet, helps out pretty much every ship I fly. @ChainsawPlankto
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 80	Posted - 2017.01.22 18:16:59 - [1315] - Quote played also around with zekirs fit. thx for sharing it. keep in mind that i use a genolution set which boost the cap regen and pimped it also for more damage. [Wolf, huehue cap build moar dmg] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery Stasis Webifier II 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Small Anti-Thermal Pump II no tankissues and the cap never went under 40%. according to eft i have 27.6 peak regen. a version with a nos and a burst aerator was very similar cap wise but harder to fit. a version without a second capmod gave me 22 peak regen and after 5 min i ran out of cap. it seems that its possible to run it with a burst aerator instead a ccc for 350 dps at all V.
guigui lechat the no fock given 6	Posted - 2017.01.23 01:19:31 - [1316] - Quote I tried this fit, with faction gyro and energized thermal. I had 90% th/em res, while needing only 86% to tank it. tank was definitely fine, I reach 41% capa after 4 clips. As you guesed GÇª I could not break his armor, with a khanid (60) stasis.I guess I should use a tracking enhancer then. also I had a anti-thermal armor II that I could swap for something else. I tried orbit, KaR 100 km, aligning to station, full stop.I can easily ( 5 cap boosters) kill it with the faction previous fit, I don't get it.
Zekir Shardani xXxgayputin420xXx 2	Posted - 2017.01.23 02:31:46 - [1317] - Quote guigui lechat wrote: I tried this fit, with faction gyro and energized thermal. I had 90% th/em res, while needing only 86% to tank it. tank was definitely fine, I reach 41% capa after 4 clips. As you guesed GÇª I could not break his armor, with a khanid (60) stasis.I guess I should use a tracking enhancer then. also I had a anti-thermal armor II that I could swap for something else. I tried orbit, KaR 100 km, aligning to station, full stop.I can easily ( 5 cap boosters) kill it with the faction previous fit, I don't get it. Post your exact fit here, maybe we can fix it. It's definitely weird, because Clennel managed to kill cruor with only one gyro.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2482	Posted - 2017.01.23 03:43:07 - [1318] - Quote A freaking Plus on that fit! I finished at 42% cap and 98% armor. The 8% tracking drug and 60% t2 web allowed for some awesome application and I finished quicker than my standard fit. I usually start heat at ~33% armor on the cruor and by the time it went down I hardly had built up any heat damage. Got it immediately again as the next mission and started heat at ~50% armor and turned heat off (88% damage) and killed it with 2 more volleys. Also my fit doesn't technically need a navy mapc, you can use a t2 mapc with max fitting skills. they are usually pretty cheap so I didn't think to swap it but someone jacked the prices in jita recently. and Ploing I love that fit, I just hate the idea of flying a 300m frig. I had a similar setup with a cap booster instead of the battery and t2 damage rig instead of the CCC. Doing 350 dps and 400 with heat makes it go quicker, but could never get over the idea of using a 300m+ fit. @ChainsawPlankto
Ploing Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 80	Posted - 2017.01.23 10:08:31 - [1319] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: and Ploing I love that fit, I just hate the idea of flying a 300m frig. I had a similar setup with a cap booster instead of the battery and t2 damage rig instead of the CCC. Doing 350 dps and 400 with heat makes it go quicker, but could never get over the idea of using a 300m+ fit. yeah you are right, but i liked to try it. maybe i switch back less costly. fun fact as i did my last cruor mission yesterday i got a bugged one and it took insane 35 min. missed hits all over the place. but it was a good stresstest for cap and armor.
guigui lechat the no fock given 7	Posted - 2017.01.23 11:29:45 - [1320] - Quote I used this : Quote: [Wolf, guigui lechat's Wolf] Corpum A-Type Energized Thermal Membrane Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Thukker Micro Auxiliary Power Core Federation Navy Stasis Webifier 'Censer' Medium Cap Battery 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Rocket Launcher II 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Small Capacitor Control Circuit II Small Anti-Thermal Pump II Republic Fleet Fusion S x4760 Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x1850 I tried again end killed it with 50% capa remaining and 22 shells. Don't get what changed ?? Maybe I was too tired.



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