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Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2715	Posted - 2017.03.28 08:27:24 - [1411] - Quote guigui lechat wrote: actually no damage difference with/without activating the second (non-scripted) missile guidance vs the enyo and its repers. yea I don't see a huge damage difference, I have mostly lv 4/5 missile skills and seem to apply as much as I can with just a painter. that said I think the minmatar ones go a bit faster so the extra application might be more important there. selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
guigui lechat the no fock given 17	Posted - 2017.03.28 10:56:59 - [1412] - Quote It's me again. Every time I kill a burner I copypaste the loot(s) in my notes. I made a program to parse it and get the Jita BO value of each drop. here is the result, ordered by average loot value decreasing , in the form group : averageBO : number https://pastebin.com/srnz57TK the first line base-serpentis-0.9 : 9,78 : 4 means I killed 4 base serpentis in .9 security, and the average BO value was 9.78M. I grouped the burners by type, faction, security status, and combinations (eg base-serpentis-0.8 means base talos in sec 0.8). eg burner : 0,66 : 182 means I killed a whole 182 burners for a 0.66 BO average maybe I should not take the BO value ? (I incidentaly learnt eve-central does not accept request of more than 2048 caracters)
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 62	Posted - 2017.03.28 14:23:23 - [1413] - Quote guigui lechat wrote: It's me again. Every time I kill a burner I copypaste the burner type, system security, loot(s) in my notes. I made a program to parse it and get the Jita BO value of each drop. here is the result, ordered by average loot value decreasing , in the form group : averageBO : number https://pastebin.com/srnz57TK the first line base-serpentis-0.9 : 9,78 : 4 means I killed 4 base serpentis in .9 security, and the average BO value was 9.78M. I grouped the burners by type, faction, security status, and combinations (eg base-serpentis-0.8 means base talos in sec 0.8). eg burner : 0,66 : 182 means I killed a whole 182 burners for a 0.66 BO average maybe I should not take the BO value ? (I incidentaly learnt eve-central does not accept request of more than 2048 caracters) the burnerparser code is here : https://github.com/guiguilechat/EveOnline/blob/master/Database/src/main/java/fr/guiguilechat/eveonline/database/loot/BurnerParser.java This is potentially pretty interesting. Does the security of the space in which the burner is killed impact the loot drops? I can't really tell. My assumption has always been that the only system security value that matters is the one the agent resides in - at least that's the only thing that impacts LP and isk rewards. I'd never thought about loot drops. The other thing it would be useful for (with some modification) is to track the rate of faction loot drops over time. It feels like I get substantially fewer faction drops now than I used to, but I've never tracked the numbers to be sure.
guigui lechat the no fock given 18	Posted - 2017.03.28 16:13:02 - [1414] - Quote I started it precisely for this reason : I noticed a drop in the burners' loot around january. Since I can't affirm something without having a minimum of facts, I started keeping records and now that I have acces to SDE and evecentral I can process those records. Of course it does not mean anything about data before I started recording.
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 62	Posted - 2017.03.28 16:36:53 - [1415] - Quote guigui lechat wrote: I started it precisely for this reason : I noticed a drop in the burners' loot around january. Since I can't affirm something without having a minimum of facts, I started keeping records and now that I have acces to SDE and evecentral I can process those records. Of course it does not mean anything about data before I started recording. So it's not just me who thinks faction drop rates have changed. At least your work can provide a new baseline going forward.
guigui lechat the no fock given 19	Posted - 2017.03.28 16:47:45 - [1416] - Quote I still need to understand how the SDE actually works, but yeah the next step is to count the number of non-ammo faction drops. However, on 182 runs this is too small of a number, I need to get moar data (and moar LP !! )
Lrrp Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.28 23:06:22 - [1417] - Quote Been on a two year hiatus from game. I got the Ashimmu base and was looking at your Gila setups. Seems the Gila only has 3 lows now instead of 4. Drop a amp or the bcu ?
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 64	Posted - 2017.03.29 00:02:12 - [1418] - Quote Lrrp wrote: Been on a two year hiatus from game. I got the Ashimmu base and was looking at your Gila setups. Seems the Gila only has 3 lows now instead of 4. Drop a amp or the bcu ? Honestly, I think it can go either way. After running the numbers on Pyfa, the BCU provides the most damage on paper, but it was really close and different skills can change the numbers. When it comes to applied damage, I'm not sure which is better. The Ashimmu targets drones so aggressively that your applied drone damage is going to be much lower, but you spend 35 seconds reloading your missiles during the fight. I'm running a BCU, but I need to try it with a third DDA and compare my completion times. My suspicion is that there won't be a significant difference.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2718	Posted - 2017.03.29 01:20:13 - [1419] - Quote I start with 2 dda 1bcu, and when I'm on reload swap to 3dda. yay mobile depots! selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter
guigui lechat the no fock given 19	Posted - 2017.03.29 11:01:51 - [1420] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I start with 2 dda 1bcu, and when I'm on reload swap to 3dda. yay mobile depots! smartboy !
guigui lechat the no fock given 19	Posted - 2017.03.29 22:04:33 - [1421] - Quote BTW can we reload the rapid light in 0s with the mobile depot ? I rework my statistics presentations, it is now in 4 tables : - looted faction - categories to number of drops - average cost - %faction drop for categories with 10+ entries. here is the result : https://pastebin.com/kzExw2Yr
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:23:28 - [1422] - Quote Pirate Burner reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:24:13 - [1423] - Quote Pirate Burner Alternative layouts reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:25:09 - [1424] - Quote Team Burner reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:26:02 - [1425] - Quote Team Burner Alternative layouts reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:26:49 - [1426] - Quote Base Burner reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.03.30 07:27:41 - [1427] - Quote Base Burner Alternative layouts reserverd coming soon "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Lrrp Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.30 21:28:42 - [1428] - Quote Skimmed posts but didn't see any fits for the Gurista base with supercarrier. Did find a you tube using a Cerberus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKOZwrbpIE Seemed the ship was tanked properly but I can't see what the mods are. Any help?
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 98	Posted - 2017.03.30 22:10:32 - [1429] - Quote Lrrp wrote: Skimmed posts but didn't see any fits for the Gurista base with supercarrier. Did find a you tube using a Cerberus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKOZwrbpIE Seemed the ship was tanked properly but I can't see what the mods are. Any help? Oh wait, I see at start of vid he shows fittings. comments? I've seen it done with a couple of different fits (including a Vigilant and even a Gila), but that's a mission that most people only run for the challenge. Unlike all of the other burner missions, it's length and payout make it highly inefficient if you're only in it for the isk. If you want to take a crack at it, I highly recommend trying it on the test server first though.
Lrrp Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.30 23:00:48 - [1430] - Quote Thanks for the reply. I did notice it took a long time to do it and all the guy got was some faction missiles, so I'll put that mission in the pass col.
guigui lechat the no fock given 24	Posted - 2017.03.31 15:31:57 - [1431] - Quote ok, made my weekly burner loot graph by type : http://imgur.com/a/HSIkl by typ-race : http://imgur.com/a/3Nnaw a few good drops today changed this week's trend GÇª
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 101	Posted - 2017.03.31 16:46:44 - [1432] - Quote guigui lechat wrote: ok, made my weekly burner loot graph by type : http://imgur.com/a/HSIkl by typ-race : http://imgur.com/a/3Nnaw a few good drops today changed this week's trend GÇª Very cool. Are these results normalized to account for different numbers of daily runs? Or is it just a simple average of all runs? I couldn't really tell. A simple average could be misleading unless you're doing the exact same number of runs every day because of the infrequency of faction drops.
guigui lechat the no fock given 24	Posted - 2017.03.31 17:01:32 - [1433] - Quote values are averaged value(week, group) = loots.filter(week&&group).map(eveCentral).average() Note that this program runs on any loot, just need to know what are the type, the faction and the ss . So I could use it for L4 runs too. I will refactor it and then you can loot better at the code(mixing differents functions right now, ain't easy). I will also make a program anyone can run.
Lrrp Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2017.03.31 20:06:50 - [1434] - Quote Is there a link somewhere to show the value og the burner loot to know if they are worthwhile to do? Also got the Caldari team burner against the hawk but I can't seem to find then setup for this. any help would be appreciated.
Zarek Kree Lunatic Legion Holdings 103	Posted - 2017.03.31 20:17:25 - [1435] - Quote Lrrp wrote: Is there a link somewhere to show the value og the burner loot to know if they are worthwhile to do? Also got the Caldari team burner against the hawk but I can't seem to find then setup for this. any help would be appreciated. All of the burners are worth doing for the LP and isk rewards alone, regardless of loot drops (except for maybe the Gurista Base Supercarrier mission). The occasional faction loot drop is simply a nice bonus. All of the team burners are run with the same ship. Most people use a polarized Garmur on all of them. See this post earlier in this thread. Shoot both the Bantam logi and the Hawk with Mjolnir rockets.
guigui lechat the no fock given 24	Posted - 2017.03.31 21:10:43 - [1436] - Quote isk-wise the agent\|team burners are worth up to 10M in bounty+reward ; plus ~20M through LPper burner , depending on your patience on the market and the faction you run missions for. So if you are patient you net 30M /burner. As I found out by loggin all drops they also are worth ~2M average loot-wise. However loot-wise also means more logistics to bring the loot to the market, but can be much better if you have luck and are also patient on market (2M is in BO)
DrysonBennington Eagle's Talon's 318	Posted - 2017.04.01 11:06:45 - [1437] - Quote Are there Burner Sites in W-Space? If not there should be as the NPC Pilots in W-Space would be a par above the Burner Pilots in K-Space.
Jori McKie Viziam Amarr Empire 295	Posted - 2017.04.01 11:28:39 - [1438] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: Are there Burner Sites in W-Space? If not there should be as the NPC Pilots in W-Space would be a par above the Burner Pilots in K-Space. No there aren't. All of the current Burner are solo doable but most times only with expansive fits and even then one mistake and you are dead. In other words most K-Space Burner require high end fits and high end skills with no more room for improvements. More difficult Burner in W-Space would mean at least 2 pilots as you won't be able to solo them. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
guigui lechat the no fock given 25	Posted - 2017.04.01 14:13:26 - [1439] - Quote DrysonBennington wrote: Are there Burner Sites in W-Space? If not there should be as the NPC Pilots in W-Space would be a par above the Burner Pilots in K-Space. There is no "burner site". There are burner missions which get you to burner pocket.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2747	Posted - 2017.04.01 15:50:53 - [1440] - Quote Lrrp wrote: Skimmed posts but didn't see any fits for the Gurista base with supercarrier. Did find a you tube using a Cerberus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qKOZwrbpIE Seemed the ship was tanked properly but I can't see what the mods are. Any help? Oh wait, I see at start of vid he shows fittings. comments? 49mins crikey, I got it down to ~11m combat time which isn't too bad, but not worth it compared to the other burners. I suppose I should reevaluate it as the reward, lp, and bonus are now at max. When missions first come out the rewards default to minimum to prevent abuse, and it took a long time for the rewards on the Gurista base to go up. Compared to standard missions it is worth running, however compared to the other burners and blitz missions not so much. This video uses my fit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz7PDwTgGH8 they also got it down to ~11m. my write up on the mission here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6068439#post6068439 selling officer BCUs! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6872141 @ChainsawPlankto on twitter

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