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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.07.26 05:17:00 -
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I forsee lots of problems with this ship
For starters, if 8 tachyons use up like 70 cap each (think this is right?) every 5 seconds (i get 5 seconds ROF on gedon with tachs)
that 560 cap every 5 seconds o_O
It better get like 10k armor for passive tanking :P
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Kyguard
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.07.26 05:26:00 -
[182]
I foresee nosdomis running around making fools of Abbadons.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:45:00 -
[183]
I see this ship as a real fleet ship.. prolly pack it with 8 tachy's, nice dmg and tracking stuff fitted, partial, passive tank (slap some rolled tungsten/t2 1600 on there, maybe a few t2 passive resists) and be a nice long range support ship...
Like a corpm8 said last night: the bigger the fleet match, the smaller the tank... those fights are all about dishing out the dmg...
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Techyon
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:47:00 -
[184]
I forsee Abbadons with full racks of Mega Pulses, cap injector and annoyingly strong passive armor tanks tearing **** to shreds before it does the same to them.
Tbh I think the Abaddon looks like a great ship especially with some creativity.. we'll see.
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Stephar
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:51:00 -
[185]
Let's say the Abaddon had a +5% ROF bonus to ALL turrets. Basically, you get to pick between hybrids/projectiles/lasers. Would you folks still fit it with lasers?
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Cpt Abestos
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Posted - 2006.07.26 06:53:00 -
[186]
 Originally by: Techyon
I forsee Abbadons with full racks of Mega Pulses, cap injector and annoyingly strong passive armor tanks tearing **** to shreds before it does the same to them.
Tbh I think the Abaddon looks like a great ship especially with some creativity.. we'll see.
I forsee them with amazing active tanks and autocannons hell this might be the first ship that can run a triple rep setup depending on how strong the cap is.
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Linavin
Mercurialis Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:03:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Stephar
Let's say the Abaddon had a +5% ROF bonus to ALL turrets. Basically, you get to pick between hybrids/projectiles/lasers. Would you folks still fit it with lasers?
No
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Wizie
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 07:14:00 -
[188]
With a 5% dmg bonus on already heavy dmg dealing lasers, I would definitely fit lasers on this ship.
With the resistance bonus, you will be looking at a ship that can probably fit 2 eanm II and 1 dmg control, 2x reps. Leaving 3 slots (probably cpu issues) for either cap relays or couple of dmg mods and a cpu, plates would work brilliantly as well.
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Knoppaz
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2006.07.26 08:09:00 -
[189]
Let's summarize..
Caldari:
- Ultra long range
- mediocre to ok damage
Galente:
- Huge damage close range
- Possibility to get in quick without draining all the cap
Minmatar:
- Good tank
- Good alpha and ok dps
Amarr:
- Huge gank with some tank or
- Huge tank with some gank
Now you want long range, huge damage, great tank and sustainability?
With this ship you get some flexibility and there is nothing that keeps you from sacrificing some damage by fitting 1 or 2 NOS. Still good damage with the possibility to keep the tank going. Sounds reasonable to me..
I like the ship 
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:00:00 -
[190]
Changing the RoF bonus to one for damage should help out with this ship's capacitor problems.
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Uther Doull
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:07:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Uther Doull on 26/07/2006 09:07:52
i'd be much much happier if it got a dmg bonus instead of a rof bonus, it would still have trouble with the cap that would prevent it fromh doing gank and tank at the same time, but atleast it will be able to gank for longer then 30 seconds :(
eidt: doh rodj beat me to it
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:21:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Cpt Abestos
Originally by: Techyon
I forsee Abbadons with full racks of Mega Pulses, cap injector and annoyingly strong passive armor tanks tearing **** to shreds before it does the same to them.
Tbh I think the Abaddon looks like a great ship especially with some creativity.. we'll see.
I forsee them with amazing active tanks and autocannons hell this might be the first ship that can run a triple rep setup depending on how strong the cap is.
I'll be very surprised if its cap is as much as the Apoc's at BS5.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:24:00 -
[193]
To add to what I've already said, it's very difficult to look at the pros and cons of any of the new ships until we see the full stats.
Presumably they will all have more CPU, grid and HP than their tier 2 siblings. The question is, how much more?
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Siobhan Ni
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:28:00 -
[194]
Kinda dissapointed with this ship. We already have amarr ships that can gank or tank and I don't think we need another one. I was hoping for a ship with a more specialized role - perhaps drones. C'mon CCP you can do better!
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:38:00 -
[195]
why is everybody screaming "TEH END OF WORLD!" while you only have some stats about the ship, namely only bonuses and number of turrets?
I posted this in another thread, but I'll quote myself here:
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
Originally by: Kyguard
Not a dying weapon, but the Abbadon clearly isn't helping with the situation.
It's already been shown that even under dificult conditions, an Abaddon has at least 340 seconds (5x58) of sustained fire in it. If it has a sizeable cargo hold, that'll easily become 400 seconds.
ok let's make this clear: How the hell you know it will only last for at least 340 seconds if you haven't seen the cap of the ship yet?
...maybe the ship will have one of those gigantic cap that will shadow anything bar a capital ship's cap, and able to sustain a mega tank setup or a mega gank setup, but not both.
geez... these "OMG ABBADON CAN'T HOLD HIS GUNZ FIRING CUZ THE GUNS CONSUME TOO MUCH CAP!!!!111omgeleven" posts are unfounded atm with the information that was released.
it's like saying that that lemon tree will give turnips, while in fact it is an orange tree that will give out oranges.
Like you guys are screaming "BOOST!!!" and you haven't SEEN the size of the ship's cap yet.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Etherios
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 09:42:00 -
[196]
The ship Rocks... It has the best damage output of anyother ship at 20-40k range 8 tachs + gleams = DEATH from above....
U all playing a diferent game or something? Most of the guys that dont like the ship want a solo Amarr ship. THIS ISNT A SOLO SHIP get over it. Amarr Bses and most other ships are NOT for solo. The main solo tactics are ECM/NOS heavy both can kill Amarrs easy.
AMARRS ARE NOT MEANT FOR SOLO GANKING (go for other races plz)
This will be the best Fleet ship ever.
The arma has very little cap and not that much Armor HP.. if the database is corect this monster has more HP (6800 i think) and same or more Cap than an Apoc.So the cap problem is there to make the damn ships not tooo UBER because the same guys that whine now .. will whine then to nerf it.
If the stats we know stay the same .. u will have a ship with more PG than apoc that means u can fit 8 tachs 2 RCUII 3 HSII M/Lrep and have 2 more for what ever.
Dont say this ship Sucks because u want something other than Lasers/damage, ffs we havent even seen the rest of the Stats and most of u whine already....
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Sovy Kurosei
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:26:00 -
[197]
This:
Originally by: Etherios
U all playing a diferent game or something?
Does not correspond with this:
Originally by: Etherios
This will be the best Fleet ship ever.
I'd like you to meet my friend the tier three Caldari battleship, the Rokh.
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:28:00 -
[198]
Judging by the various views here i hope a new skill is released.."Cruise ship management", and a hull mod that converts cargo space into passenger cabins...Then Abbadon may find a niche taking pensioners round the sights of empire space.
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Etherios
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:29:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Etherios on 26/07/2006 10:35:55
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
This:
Originally by: Etherios
U all playing a diferent game or something?
Does not correspond with this:
Originally by: Etherios
This will be the best Fleet ship ever.
I'd like you to meet my friend the tier three Caldari battleship, the Rokh.
8 Tachs + Aurora > ur friend anyday anytime... or u think there will be a lot os 215-240k battles? I dont because only ur friend has the range for that and the damage is ... bad :-) kthx NEXT...
Edit : let me help u my friend http://evegames.hostingbig.com see and cry j/k
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Etherios
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:33:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Mitsurugii
Judging by the various views here i hope a new skill is released.."Cruise ship management", and a hull mod that converts cargo space into passenger cabins...Then Abbadon may find a niche taking pensioners round the sights of empire space.
Its sad when ppl actually take all this soo damn hard ... Take a step back see thats its just some PIXELs and rethink.
U dont liek u dont use easy as cake ... hmm allo bubbles 
True sight isn't given to all that look for it.
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Mitsurugii
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:35:00 -
[201]
Hey im not taking it hard, quite relish the challenge of finding entertainment for pensioners. 
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DeadDuck
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:47:00 -
[202]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 26/07/2006 10:47:57
Just dont understand people already complaining about the Abadon bonuses.
I only fly Amarr... TBH I think that this ship is gonna shine in fleet battles ... this ship is for PVP, not for missions or NPCing and I'm glad it is like that
I just hope that the PG and CPU are well ballanced. BS level 5 here I go 
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Kenan Waroria
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:54:00 -
[203]
Only problem I see is that Apoc will become more or less useless when this hits the market.
I think Abaddon will be good, but at the same time render both Apoc and to some point Arma useless. Hopefully there will be more diversity between Apoc, Arma and Abaddon.
In some ways it feels as if Tier3 BS was an excuse to give Caldari an Railgun BS (Moas bigger brother) the other races got a new ship that was much like their Tier 2 ships with an twist (Abaddon more of an combo of Arma and Apoc), so there¦s not much new thinking at all in that department.
Instead of just launching new ships, think what the old ones are good for and what the new ships will contribute to the game.
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Lucre
STK Scientific
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:55:00 -
[204]
Long long ago, after the first laser nerf but before the laser cap reduction loving, I flew an Apoc with 4 x 425 rails and 4 x dual heavy beams. Was a nice balance - all lasers killed your cap, all rails killed your cpu but a mixture worked very nicely.
My immediate thought looking at the Baddon [Baddons, Geddons and Pocs!] is that a mixed loadout might work well. Fit 4 lasers then top up with hybrids or projectiles to taste. Cap use will be less horrific, whilst DoT should be reasonable and with a good range of damage types.
Wish it had a damage bonus instead of a RoF bonus though - we already have a RoF bonus BS, and lots of smaller ships (generally the ones that work!) manage to have a laser damage bonus. So why not this one?
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Uther Doull
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.26 10:59:00 -
[205]
does anybody know if these shield/armor resist boni suffer from the stacking penalty when combined with hardners/plates?
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DeadDuck
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:02:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Kenan Waroria
Only problem I see is that Apoc will become more or less useless when this hits the market.
I think Abaddon will be good, but at the same time render both Apoc and to some point Arma useless. Hopefully there will be more diversity between Apoc, Arma and Abaddon.
In some ways it feels as if Tier3 BS was an excuse to give Caldari an Railgun BS (Moas bigger brother) the other races got a new ship that was much like their Tier 2 ships with an twist (Abaddon more of an combo of Arma and Apoc), so there¦s not much new thinking at all in that department.
Instead of just launching new ships, think what the old ones are good for and what the new ships will contribute to the game.
I think you're right the only question remaining will be the price of this BS...
The Abadon seems to combine the Geddon/Apoc best properties. Even if the Consumption Bonus is gone the Capacitor will be even bigger in the Abadon then in the Apoc -in principle-.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:29:00 -
[207]
the Abbadon looks like it could be an wesome dmg platfrom, really makes me think about crosstraining amarr now
the diversity is a bit lacking tough i agree, abaddon looks like a better arma/apoc put together into 1 ship
If this goes live then the apoc could really use a change in bonuses
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Shadowsword
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:32:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Uther Doull
does anybody know if these shield/armor resist boni suffer from the stacking penalty when combined with hardners/plates?
They don't, because the stacking penalty depend of the number of modules, and these aren't modules...
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:36:00 -
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I wonder if a cap injector could run 8 dual heavy pulse t2 and 2x t2 armor reps for any reasonable amount of time 
If it gets lots of CPU it could really end up as the best laser platform.
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Perry
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.26 11:37:00 -
[210]
Hello ^^ Im an Amarr only specced 3+ years old Main Char ^^
First of all let me state that the only active fitted ships i have are 1) a Curse 2) a Pilgrim 3) T2 fitted Apoc for Fleet. Now i must see that i get a 8 Turret lowslot dmg/tank ship. Dear CCP i have that allready as statet above, its the Apoc. All i hoped for was that Amarr would get their lacking niche filled like Caldari. Caldari lacket the Moa/Ferox style Batlleship. Amarr lacks the Arbitrator style BS, because lets face it Amarr get their ass handed to them when engaging below 20km. So now that will stay the same, because the Abaddon in its intended fit will get nossed, ecmed, droned and missiled, blastered and ACed below 20km. Fun!
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So i think its time to suggest a Layout for Abaddon that i was hoping for:
Name: Abaddon
Role: Close Range Solo / Gang Ship
Description: In recent Years the Imperial Navy realised that two Fleet Gank/Tank Ships with mainly EM dmg dont cut it anymore when facing the highly specialised designs of other races fleets. Therefore the Amarr Navy took what they allready had in succesfull and specialised design, the Arbitrator, and rebuild it on Battleship scale. However as Amarr technology is not that flexibel, there had to compromises in cost and overall performance. The Result is now known as the Abaddon class Battleship.
Bonus: 10% Drone Dmg/Hp
Bonus: 5% Tracking Disruptor Effectiviness
Highslots: 6 ( 4-6 Turrets, 2-4 Missiles)
Medslots: 6 (reflecting Arbitrators 4/4/4)
Lowslots: 6 (Decent Armor Tank)
Armor: 4500
Shild: 4100
Powergrid: 15.500mW (probably less)
CPU: 550tf (probably more)
Dronespace: 175m¦ (5Heavy 5Medium)
Speed: 110m¦
After the Nos/ECM nerf this ship will not be that uber, and overall more vulnerable to killing its drones then the domis 3 waves of heavies etc. It has less Overall Stats then Geddon/Apoc to reflect the fact that Amarr Engineers needed the Place for more bulky amarr advanced tech, making it more costly and fragile but flexibel and good at short range skirmishes, especially for those like me who have maxed guns and armor and want something new to play with.
Also let me state that i would welcome Minmatar get their BS Stabber and Gallente get a nice effective EW boat with Blasters.
Thanks for reading.
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