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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:02:00 -
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I can't see any threads started on this yet.
8/4/8 layout with good resists and RoF maybe slight cap problems? this thing looks great.
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Eximius Josari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:04:00 -
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If the Maelstrom doesnt get 8/7/5 slots, the Abaddon will be up there with the Rokh trying to get my sp. It looks to be a great ship.
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Ann Mari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ann Mari on 25/07/2006 19:10:33
Looks to me like an Apoc with better resists?
No clue is given about PG, CPU, Cap recharge and Cap volume but...
Since the cap usage bonus is taken away (assuming all other fitting stats stay the same, which it won't) the ship will run outta cap alot faster than an Apoc.
If they improve the fitting + cap stats and give better resists, it's still not something new... It's still just an Apoc on steroids. I was really hoping to get something new/unique...
Any ideas what you'll do with the extra med slot "if" they give it?
Edit: Granted the increased (25%) ROF looks good against a low EM resist target...
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Wild Rho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:10:00 -
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Looks like an npcers wet dream tbh
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:10:00 -
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Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
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Eximius Josari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
If it wasn't for the RoF bonus, I'd agree with that.
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:14:00 -
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This ship is already broken.
Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire...
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
So the Geddon is crap and not worth fitting lasers into?
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Madame Savage
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:17:00 -
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I hope this thing will have a huge cargobay to store all this 800 charges..
.. or it will be the first BS with cargoextender setups
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Shadowsword
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Dave
slight cap problems? this thing looks great.
Slight cap problems? Think 50-60 cap/second just for the guns. That's not what I call a "slight" problem.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:19:00 -
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There's two ways to tackle the cap problem on this ship.
One is to make a passive tank and take advantage of those armor resistance bonuses. Lots of plates, powergrid permitting, and more hardeners. Pulse over beams, dual over standard.
The other is just to slap a cap injector on it. I fit a cap injector to my Geddon and my Apoc so I don't really see anything new here. I just really want at least 4 mids so it doesn't have to be tied to a tackler wherever it goes. 
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cohkka
Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
So the Geddon is crap and not worth fitting lasers into?
There's no such thing as Gankageddon anymore you know...oh well, at least it's a cheap Smartbomb suiciding platform.
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
There's two ways to tackle the cap problem on this ship.
One is to make a passive tank and take advantage of those armor resistance bonuses. Lots of plates, powergrid permitting, and more hardeners. Pulse over beams, dual over standard.
The other is just to slap a cap injector on it. I fit a cap injector to my Geddon and my Apoc so I don't really see anything new here. I just really want at least 4 mids so it doesn't have to be tied to a tackler wherever it goes.
Man... I hope you understand thet cap booster will become your AMMUNITIONS! When I run out of cap booster on geddon, I am still able to maintain a combat. With abaddon, I will be totally breaked.
No cap bonus is a good idea, BUT ONLY if you boost weapons, so when you fire you drain your cap like a mad, but at least you do absurd damage!
Abaddon bonuses for me: 5% to ROF and Damage to laser turrets
It will be different from Armagedodn cause the armageddon will be a sort of long combat ship.
Anyway this will not happen, I already say it to you, cause CCP fantasy is somethink like a parallel mind... all Tier3 get a tank bonus, so even amarr must get this.
Abaddon is totally broken as it is now, much better fly geddon or apoc.
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Ann Mari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:25:00 -
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How about this...
Ditch the "5% large energy weapon rate of fire per level"
and replace with...
"5% large projectile weapon rate of fire per level"
Now you got a ship!!! ;P
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Ann Mari
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Ann Mari on 25/07/2006 19:26:14
Double post 
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
yep.
ty tuxford for giving amarr the perfect artillery/autocannon boat.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth
Man... I hope you understand thet cap booster will become your AMMUNITIONS! When I run out of cap booster on geddon, I am still able to maintain a combat. With abaddon, I will be totally breaked.
Well, yes.
I completely abandoned the idea of sustainable combat long ago when nos started appearing left, right and center. Every single ship I PvP in, bar AFs, carries a cap injector and a cargo bay full of charges.
What's nice about the Abaddon is that resistance bonus let's you plate it and harden it and leave the repper behind/offline. If it had a damage bonus instead it'd be hopelessly lost for cap, unable to make up its defense with reppers.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Mahavy Seth
Man... I hope you understand thet cap booster will become your AMMUNITIONS! When I run out of cap booster on geddon, I am still able to maintain a combat. With abaddon, I will be totally breaked.
Well, yes.
I completely abandoned the idea of sustainable combat long ago when nos started appearing left, right and center. Every single ship I PvP in, bar AFs, carries a cap injector and a cargo bay full of charges.
What's nice about the Abaddon is that resistance bonus let's you plate it and harden it and leave the repper behind/offline. If it had a damage bonus instead it'd be hopelessly lost for cap, unable to make up its defense with reppers.
i bet you 1 isk that it will have like 20% worse base resists to start with then any other BS.
its the tuxford way of saying "yer screwed amarr"
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Deadeye Dave
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:32:00 -
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Ok so this thing has major capacitor problems. They need the reduction in Energy Turret use however if they were to remove the resist bonus it would just be an Armageddon and if they were to remove the RoF bonus it would be an Apocalypse. Thats what I'm thinking anyway.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 25/07/2006 19:34:30
Originally by: Eximius Josari
If the Maelstrom doesnt get 8/7/5 slots, the Abaddon will be up there with the Rokh trying to get my sp. It looks to be a great ship.
Funny. While lasers still have retarded fiting requirements combined with em/thermal damage only you wont gank much tbh.
Especially not ships with shield boost bonus or ships that have high armour resistance.
Caldari drew the longest straw....AGAIN.
Meh.
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Gonger
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:35:00 -
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Let's hope that there will be a following announcement "We're going to remove the cap reduction bonus from all amarr ships, and change laser turrets so that you don't have to give up one of your ship bonuses just to be able to use them!"
Honestly, I haven't been in the game for that long, but from what I've seen (small/medium turrets), I haven't seen anything of this allegedly super high damage mod on laser turrets that justifies their ridiculous cap usage or the fact that 90% of amarr ships must sacrifice one of their ship bonuses just to be able to use laser turrets, yet I constantly see people saying that Amarr ships have a much higher damage mod in most of the discussion threads. Are these old crusty veteran types who remember how things used to be back in the day, which no longer reflects current reality? I just feel like I'm missing something here.
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Deadeye Dave
Ok so this thing has major capacitor problems. They need the reduction in Energy Turret use however if they were to remove the resist bonus it would just be an Armageddon and if they were to remove the RoF bonus it would be an Apocalypse. Thats what I'm thinking anyway.
It is so simple! give dmage and ROF bonus! It will make worthy to use cap booster. At least when I finish cap booster, there will be so many death meat near me.
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:36:00 -
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The make or break part of this ship, for me, is how much powergrid it's going to get. If I can't fit a full rack of DHP II without room for some plates, then its advantages are going to be a bit limited.
Fingers crossed. 
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth
It is so simple! give dmage and ROF bonus! It will make worthy to use cap booster. At least when I finish cap booster, there will be so many death meat near me.
Damage + rof with 8 low slots? I dont think so. 
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 19:42:59
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Another Amarr bs not worth fitting lasers into.
yep.
ty tuxford for giving amarr the perfect artillery/autocannon boat.
Dont make me train amarr...
Besides, the minnie gets a rof bonus to projectiles.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:42:00 -
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This ship has same damage bonus as armageddon only with one extra turret slot = more damage than armageddon.
But obviously it still wont be enough to kill off a tanked raven
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gonger
Edited by: Gonger on 25/07/2006 19:41:41
Edited by: Gonger on 25/07/2006 19:38:31
Let's hope that there will be a following announcement "We're going to remove the cap reduction bonus from all amarr ships, and change laser turrets so that you don't have to give up one of your ship bonuses just to be able to use them!"
Honestly, I haven't been in the game for that long(little over 2months), but from what I've seen (small/medium turrets), I haven't seen anything of this allegedly super high damage mod on laser turrets that justifies their ridiculous cap usage or the fact that 90% of amarr ships must sacrifice one of their ship bonuses just to be able to use laser turrets, yet I constantly see people saying that Amarr ships have a much higher damage mod in most of the discussion threads. Are these old crusty veteran types who remember how things used to be back in the day, which no longer reflects current reality? I just feel like I'm missing something here.
Bad fitting problems, limited damage types which suffer heavily from EANM tank (everyone these days), damage and tank both draw from the same pool, 90% of our ships give up one of their bonuses just to make our turrets usable. Where's the upside?
Lasers used to be the super weapons years back, back then the cap bonus actually served a purpose. But over the years lasers/crystals been nerfed while everyone else got boosted.
Thats why we are in the sad state we are in
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Krulla
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:45:00 -
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Amarrians get the PERFECT gankship and still whine?
Do you people just whine on principle or..? 
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Dixon
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth
This ship is already broken.
Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire...
How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released
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Cohkka
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Posted - 2006.07.25 19:47:00 -
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That ship isn't even out yet and you're already whining like mad.
Only thing that comes into mind reading that thread is: Buuhuuhuu...
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