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Sniser Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:20:00 - [301] Originally by: Andreask14 The Abba should have 4 missile hardpoints without any bonus to them, just so it can rat better than all other amarrian ships. I am so fed up with the amarrian disadvantage in ratting, its the only race that suffers from this, and it sucks. now you told the truth about the whining... people only want a drone ship to do pve rating full time without worry about dmg types. This game is a pvp game sorry, abaddon is a great fleet ship(like the other tier3 dont count gallente bs) with some passive tank, now pleaser stop whining, this is a pvp game sorry
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:26:00 - [302] You honestly think that adding a few missile slots to any amarrian ship will stop the whining ? You think that any amount of missile slots will gimp the pvp ability? Have you even read the "Amarr" thread ? Its easy to call others whiners when you are caldari. ________________________________________________ Just a quick reminder that "Local" and "Instas" will always be what they are.
Dixon	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:30:00 - [303] Originally by: Andreask14 Its easy to call others whiners when you are caldari. RACIST!
Andreask14 Sensus Numinis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:33:00 - [304] Edited by: Andreask14 on 30/07/2006 19:35:22 OK, lemme correct that. Its easy to talk about amarr whiners when you can have a missile an ew and a turret boat with as much drones as most amarr ships also, while all amarr get time and time again are their o-so glorious lasers, which have the same problems over and over again. It would hurt anybody to spice things up and give amarr a few missiles on their t3 would it ? The geddon has no launcher, the poc has 2, why not give the abbadon 4? ________________________________________________ Just a quick reminder that "Local" and "Instas" will always be what they are.
eLLioTT wave Art of War Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.07.30 19:45:00 - [305] Originally by: Andreask14 You honestly think that adding a few missile slots to any amarrian ship will stop the whining ? You think that any amount of missile slots will gimp the pvp ability? Have you even read the "Amarr" thread ? Its easy to call others whiners when you are caldari. I would be very happy with 4 non bonus'd missile slots. a HUGE part of the amarr whine is our limited damage types and severe lack of missile bays which allow us to do other damage types. Apoc with 8/4 turret/bays would be ohhhh soo good.
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 20:27:00 - [306] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:45 Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:10 Originally by: Sniser now you told the truth about the whining... people only want a drone ship to do pve rating full time without worry about dmg types. unfortunately theres not a bigger version of that smilie around. so .. being able to select your damage type sucks for pvp then? i always found it rather nice. also there are already a lot of nice amarrian pve ships around i dont really think we need to have a droneboat for that reason. Originally by: Sniser This game is a pvp game sorry, abaddon is a great fleet ship(like the other tier3 dont count gallente bs) with some passive tank, now pleaser stop whining, this is a pvp game sorry let me show you 2 other great fleet ships: 2 other battleships that may also be of amarrian origin as you know so much about pvp you should have noticed that when you engage in it you are mostly fighting against other players. some of those boost more intelligence than the average npc and will therefor be able to make good use of the predictability of amarrian battleships. (meaning no disrespect to the average npc .. even some sanshas have recently found out how efficient tracking disruptors are against amarrian ships) i guess its fortunate that we dont have to decide whether or not we should use a drone/blaster/rails battleship like the gallente or between ewar/missiles/rails like the caldari. an amarrian just needs to strap on his lasers and hes good to go. another minor disadvantage to having 3 great fleet battleships may be that you sometimes find yourself without a fleet to use it with. but i guess we cant have everything.
Sniser Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:42:00 - [307] Originally by: Andreask14 You honestly think that adding a few missile slots to any amarrian ship will stop the whining ? You think that any amount of missile slots will gimp the pvp ability? Have you even read the "Amarr" thread ? Its easy to call others whiners when you are caldari. maybe im caldari but its only because i like their stats, i just use the raven to do pve, and i do full pvp with amarr ships. 4M sp in gunnery and only 300k with missiles just to use torps . Atm im working for Large energy turrets t2, after i finish rapid firing 5
Sniser Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:52:00 - [308] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:45 Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:10 Originally by: Sniser now you told the truth about the whining... people only want a drone ship to do pve rating full time without worry about dmg types. unfortunately theres not a bigger version of that smilie around. so .. being able to select your damage type sucks for pvp then? i always found it rather nice. also there are already a lot of nice amarrian pve ships around i dont really think we need to have a droneboat for that reason. Originally by: Sniser This game is a pvp game sorry, abaddon is a great fleet ship(like the other tier3 dont count gallente bs) with some passive tank, now pleaser stop whining, this is a pvp game sorry let me show you 2 other great fleet ships: 2 other battleships that may also be of amarrian origin as you know so much about pvp you should have noticed that when you engage in it you are mostly fighting against other players. some of those boost more intelligence than the average npc and will therefor be able to make good use of the predictability of amarrian battleships. (meaning no disrespect to the average npc .. even some sanshas have recently found out how efficient tracking disruptors are against amarrian ships) i guess its fortunate that we dont have to decide whether or not we should use a drone/blaster/rails battleship like the gallente or between ewar/missiles/rails like the caldari. an amarrian just needs to strap on his lasers and hes good to go. another minor disadvantage to having 3 great fleet battleships may be that you sometimes find yourself without a fleet to use it with. but i guess we cant have everything. abaddon > geddon & apoc all time in fleet, abaddon using taychons without fiting mods or maybe only 1. Also 8 turrets vs geddon 7 turrets Yes , people usually have a brain , eanm problem is another thing it sucks yes , people will try have balanced resist when they go to do pvp. i would love if tux change base resist for 20% em in shields 40% em in armor if abaddon doesnt have 125m3 dronebay then geddon will be much better close ship combat since 1 turret more its only 14% -16% more dmg i cant remember, and drones t2 really do more damage. Apoc needs a fix i would love drones with this ship while remaining the capacitor bonus and remove the cap energy turret bonus. a Dream's ship for any npcer like you
Nedia	Posted - 2006.07.30 22:52:00 - [309] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:45 Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 30/07/2006 20:29:10 Originally by: Sniser now you told the truth about the whining... people only want a drone ship to do pve rating full time without worry about dmg types. unfortunately theres not a bigger version of that smilie around. so .. being able to select your damage type sucks for pvp then? i always found it rather nice. also there are already a lot of nice amarrian pve ships around i dont really think we need to have a droneboat for that reason. Originally by: Sniser This game is a pvp game sorry, abaddon is a great fleet ship(like the other tier3 dont count gallente bs) with some passive tank, now pleaser stop whining, this is a pvp game sorry let me show you 2 other great fleet ships: 2 other battleships that may also be of amarrian origin as you know so much about pvp you should have noticed that when you engage in it you are mostly fighting against other players. some of those boost more intelligence than the average npc and will therefor be able to make good use of the predictability of amarrian battleships. (meaning no disrespect to the average npc .. even some sanshas have recently found out how efficient tracking disruptors are against amarrian ships) i guess its fortunate that we dont have to decide whether or not we should use a drone/blaster/rails battleship like the gallente or between ewar/missiles/rails like the caldari. an amarrian just needs to strap on his lasers and hes good to go. another minor disadvantage to having 3 great fleet battleships may be that you sometimes find yourself without a fleet to use it with. but i guess we cant have everything. abaddon > geddon & apoc all time in fleet, abaddon using taychons without fiting mods or maybe only 1. Also 8 turrets vs geddon 7 turrets Yes , people usually have a brain , eanm problem is another thing it sucks yes , people will try have balanced resist when they go to do pvp. i would love if tux change base resist for 20% em in shields 40% em in armor if abaddon doesnt have 125m3 dronebay then geddon will be much better close ship combat since 1 turret more its only 14% -16% more dmg i cant remember, and drones t2 really do more damage. Apoc needs a fix i would love drones with this ship while remaining the capacitor bonus and remove the cap energy turret bonus. a Dream's ship for any npcer like you
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr	Posted - 2006.07.30 23:28:00 - [310] Originally by: Sniser abaddon > geddon & apoc all time in fleet, abaddon using taychons without fiting mods or maybe only 1. Also 8 turrets vs geddon 7 turrets ... if abaddon doesnt have 125m3 dronebay then geddon will be much better close ship combat since 1 turret more its only 14% -16% more dmg i cant remember, and drones t2 really do more damage. being too similar to geddon and apoc is pretty much my main complaint with it..aside from not being a big arbi :) . with an abaddon with 8 turrets, 8x high, 8x low, 5% rof, 5% resists and assumed better fittings than the geddon there will not be a lot of pvp-reasons to take a geddon (or an apoc) over an abaddon at all. even taking into account that the geddon may get a heavy drone or 2 more than it the abaddon will be able to fit heavier weapons more easily and still have room for some tankability. so even if the shortrange damage on a geddon would be slightly above that of the proposed abaddons while fitting the same type guns the geddon will likely have a harder time doing that and end up with a weaker tank. people should worry a bit less about the abaddons capuse though. i dont think i've come across too many pvp situations where i would have needed to shoot at sth for 10 minutes straight. and if you really want to use it to take down a pos i'm pretty sure you can plan ahead and fit accordingly. Originally by: Sniser Apoc needs a fix i would love drones with this ship while remaining the capacitor bonus and remove the cap energy turret bonus. a Dream's ship for any npcer like you actually i would prefer turrets or missiles for npcs as those allow slightly more control over what gets aggroed. when it comes to missions both the geddon and apoc can be used quiet nicely already and if your working for the empire like a good amarrian you will have the perfect damagetype most of the time.
Kh'alas	Posted - 2006.08.01 02:24:00 - [311] I¦m hoping for a mining ship that can fit 8x Miner 2's and tank through hell.
Stephar Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.01 03:12:00 - [312] The ironic thing... Amarrians still don't have a true tanking battleship. The Punisher, Maller, and Prophecy all have -10% energy turret cap and +5% armor resists. But these bonuses get split up among the battleships, which leads to an odd situation: Geddon: Has the most low slots of any battleship, but no inherent tanking bonus. Apoc: Gets two cap bonuses, so more of a utility ship. Can be made into a tank, but you can get higher resists on a Geddon. Abaddon: Finally! +5% armor resist! Of course, with the insane cap requirements, you won't be able to fire your guns and run a tank at the same time. Unless you fit projectiles... The fact that the devs said the Abaddon can be used to either tank or gank can only mean that they are EXPECTING people to use projectiles for tanking. OK, fine... put projectiles on it if you want to tank, got it. Yet they give it a bonus to ENERGY turret rate of fire? This ship is a flying contradiction, I don't know how else to put it.

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